Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

Hello, Le 03.05.23 à 22:00, Courtney a écrit : "I know you may be relatively new here, so to help you be successful, here are some ideas for how to structure for your project" to a statement like this:  "I am disappointed to yet again see someone doing this wrong and ignoring the requests

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 2:08 PM Courtney wrote: > It's valid to ask for more specifics. You're right that "combative" just > ends up being an alienating word. > > Here's an example that I think everyone can benefit from. > > When I see a comment that reflects a kind of tired, angry emotion about

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

Just to tie up a few of the loose ends. Nothing that anyone has said has been dismissed or downgraded as merely "pushback." This has all been very instructive for me and I've learned a lot. In the first post, Marjan described the companies and roles of the folks to whom I'm referring to as my

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sur quel objet mettre les tags des passages piétons ?

Bonjour, Le 03.05.23 à 22:40, Bernard Lefrançois via Talk-fr a écrit : je ne vois plus l'utilité de conserver ce crossing_ref qui ne correspond à aucune "ref" en vigueur chez nous un passage piéton avec des lignes blanches peintes parallelement au trotoir, je pense qu'on référence cela de

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

It seems the big joy in all this is that we are all quite correct. It isn't so much a conflict as it is "what comes next." Sure, there are good questions that haven't been answered yet, I look forward to those. OSM isn't a battle. It is a project. We grow. Does it matter what the survey

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 3:38 PM Mike Thompson wrote: > On Wed, May 3, 2023, 1:00 PM Brian M. Sperlongano > wrote: > >> I would caution against hyper-simplifying the combativeness of >> the mailing lists >> > I am not sure using a term such as "combative" is going to be effective in > bringing

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sur quel objet mettre les tags des passages piétons ?

A l'origine crossing_ref avec toutes ses valeurs zebra, toucan, tiger, puffin etc. décrit un système de références en vigueur au Royaume-Uni ou chaque "ref" définit bien plus que le simple marquage (présence d'un feu, conditions d'accès,

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

Courtney wrote on 5/3/2023 4:00 PM: Compare a statement like this:  "I know you may be relatively new here, so to help you be successful, here are some ideas for how to structure for your project" to a statement like this:  "I am disappointed to yet again see someone doing this wrong and

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

It's valid to ask for more specifics. You're right that "combative" just ends up being an alienating word. Here's an example that I think everyone can benefit from. When I see a comment that reflects a kind of tired, angry emotion about having to point out a mistake or breach of protocol yet

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

On Wed, May 3, 2023, 1:00 PM Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > I would caution against hyper-simplifying the combativeness of the mailing > lists > I am not sure using a term such as "combative" is going to be effective in bringing about the change you desire. First the term has strong negative

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

I think it's really cool how this thread has turned into a compendium--or commonplace book--of ideas about the culture here. To me, all of the causes you've discussed are in play, including the impact of types of tools and types of data collection methodology. It's why I am so drawn to this

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

I would caution against hyper-simplifying the combativeness of the mailing lists as "cultural differences". I can think of several German participants on Slack and Discord that dispel this stereotype. Similarly, I can think of several American commenters who are notoriously abrasive on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

On May 3, 2023, at 11:07 AM, John Whelan wrote: > A very accurate summation in my opinion. > Imre Samu wrote on 5/3/2023 1:03 PM: >> Courtney ezt írta (időpont: 2023. ápr. 30., >> V, 19:06): >> This conversation has opened up important new questions. Why is the main >> "Talk" channel the

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

A very accurate summation in my opinion. Thank you John Imre Samu wrote on 5/3/2023 1:03 PM: Courtney > ezt írta (időpont: 2023. ápr. 30., V, 19:06): This conversation has opened up important new questions.  Why is the main "Talk" channel the

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

Hi, On 5/2/23 00:10, Courtney wrote: I believe that my team's research project Can you clarify who "your team" in this context is? You were introduced in Marjan's initial post as "OSMF Communication Working Group Member" and were the only of four names without a TomTom affiliation. You are

[OSM-talk-fr] JOSM version stable 18721 traduction du Journal des modification

JOSM vient de passer à la version stable 18721 Voici la traduction en français du Journal des modifications https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Fr%3AChangelog#a2023-05-03:VersionStable1872123.04 Le lien vers l’original anglais est en haut à droite du Journal des modifications) cordialement

[OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

Courtney ezt írta (időpont: 2023. ápr. 30., V, 19:06): > This conversation has opened up important new questions. Why is the main > "Talk" channel the only one that is producing pushback? Why is it the only > one that is producing such a negative tone? > Hi Courtney, I think it's important to

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

> So I wouldn't suggest worrying too much about the lists. Theory and practice > of community interaction elsewhere in OSM is absolutely a valid and > interesting topic, but the lists belong to pretty much the same period in OSM > history as IRC and Potlatch, and I say that as someone who

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

Courtney wrote: > Or is it going to keep doing the same old flame wars? To be honest, the mailing lists have been on the way out for a long time now, and talk@ is no exception. Some once busy lists are now basically dead (dev@, legal-talk@, talk-de@). Others are noticeably quieter (talk@,

[OSM-talk-fr] traduction de la page du wiki sur la clé « residential »

Bonjour La version française était en retard sur pas mal de valeurs, je l'ai mise à niveau https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:residential Si vous avez des remarques, n’hésitez pas à m'en faire part. cordialement leni ___ Talk-fr mailing

Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontro dei mappatori romani e laziali - 3 maggio 2023 ?

Ciao! Dai allora se ci sei anche tu lo teniamo oggi! Ci vediamo alle 19.30 in piazza a Monti! Per favore iscriviti all'evento qui sotto che cosi lasciamo traccia. https://osmcal.org/event/2019/ A piu tardi Flaminia Il giorno mer 3 mag 2023 alle ore 09:31 Marcello Pelato ha scritto: > Ciao

Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontro dei mappatori romani e laziali - 3 maggio 2023 ?

sent from a phone > On 3 May 2023, at 09:31, Marcello Pelato wrote: > > Ciao soliti mappatori,  > > a meno che non si decida di spostare l'appuntamento per il meteo, oggi stando > nei paraggi, riuscirei a partecipare. ottimo, allora confermiamo, magari si aggiunge anche qualcun’altro di

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sur quel objet mettre les tags des passages piétons ?

Le 03.05.23 à 09:23, Philippe Verdy a écrit : À ce sujet il semble que "crossing_ref=zebra" (et plus généralement "crossing_ref=*" ) soit maintenant déprécié et à remplacer par "crossing:marking=zebra" malheureusement ce n'est pas le cas (ni voté ni en pratique) crossing_ref=zebra dit qu'il y

Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontro dei mappatori romani e laziali - 3 maggio 2023 ?

Ciao soliti mappatori,  a meno che non si decida di spostare l'appuntamento per il meteo, oggi stando nei paraggi, riuscirei a partecipare. On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 03:53:51 PM GMT+2, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone > On 2 May 2023, at 11:59, Flaminia Tumino

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sur quel objet mettre les tags des passages piétons ?

À ce sujet il semble que "crossing_ref=zebra" (et plus généralement "crossing_ref=*" ) soit maintenant déprécié et à remplacer par "crossing:marking=zebra" pour les "passages piétons non protégés" proposés dans l'éditeur en ligne (qui par défaut utilise " crossing:marking=yes" sans indiquer la