Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Clarifying Geocoding and ODbL

2013-07-09 Thread Simon Poole
One of the issues with this discussion is that we are using one word to describe many different things, that we tend to view as one from a usage pov. IMHO it would be difficult to see how partial matching/auto-completion of addresses would not simply be generating a substantial extract and hence

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Clarifying Geocoding and ODbL

2013-07-08 Thread Peter K
Hi there, I would like to have clarification on this subject as well (but be aware that I'm just in the process of understanding the OSM license - see the other thread). What I do not understand with the OSM license is the following (constructed) example: * I have a separate geo coder

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Clarifying Geocoding and ODbL

2013-06-24 Thread Jonathan Harley
On 14/06/13 07:09, Michal Palenik wrote: On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 03:58:22PM +0200, Olov McKie wrote: Geocoding and license implications Manual geocoding of an entity that a person has prior local knowledge of, is the same process as adding a new entity to the OSM, and as such the person

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Clarifying Geocoding and ODbL

2013-06-17 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Robert Whittaker (OSM lists robert.whittaker+osm@... writes: I'd still very much like to hear of potential use cases, where regarding the inputted search data plus returned coordinates as a derivative database (which may be part of a collective database with other proprietary data in it)

[OSM-legal-talk] Clarifying Geocoding and ODbL

2013-06-17 Thread Olov McKie
Martin Koppenhoefer Fri Jun 14 10:44:58 UTC 2013 You are comparing apples to pears, as the mappers in the license change had their contributions licensed cc-by-sa, while now we are in ODbL with different terms and obligations, so you can't really deduct anything from the former situation to where

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Clarifying Geocoding and ODbL

2013-06-14 Thread Andreas Labres
On 07.06.13 11:07, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: At least for the substantial part of your question I believe if a professional geo service provider like map box would decide to use OSM to satisfy its geocoding needs, it is obvious that this use would be substantial, or you could use it only very

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Clarifying Geocoding and ODbL

2013-06-13 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 13 June 2013 14:58, Olov McKie o...@mckie.se wrote: Manual geocoding A person using an OSM map to find the latitude and longitude coordinates associated with a point or an area, normally by clicking, drawing or similarly marking where that point or area is on a map. As an example, the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Clarifying Geocoding and ODbL

2013-06-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
On 13/giu/2013, at 15:58, Olov McKie o...@mckie.se wrote: All other geocoding results in a Produced Work, IMHO it results in a Derivative Database, as long as the amount of data geocoded is not too small. Cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Clarifying Geocoding and ODbL

2013-06-11 Thread Oliver K
2013/6/7 Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com Over the past months, we've tried to get legal advice on this question. This is difficult as the lack of existing case law makes it hard to get official legal opinion on the document and the license is very complex. But here is what we have heard back

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Clarifying Geocoding and ODbL

2013-06-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/6/7 Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com 2. The ODbL is too vague in the definition of its terms, requiring additional clarifications by licensor. This is most importantly the case around the terms derivative database and what constitutes a substantial extraction of data [3]. At least for the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Clarifying Geocoding and ODbL

2013-06-07 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 7 June 2013 01:56, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: With two State of the Map conferences coming up now and plenty of opportunities for face time, I'd like to restart our conversation around clarifying the ODbL's implications for geocoding and get to a result. Over here at MapBox we're

[OSM-legal-talk] Clarifying Geocoding and ODbL

2013-06-06 Thread Alex Barth
With two State of the Map conferences coming up now and plenty of opportunities for face time, I'd like to restart our conversation around clarifying the ODbL's implications for geocoding and get to a result. Over here at MapBox we're hoping to use OpenStreetMap soon as much as possible for