On 01/12/11 00:33, James Livingston wrote:
On 1 December 2011 00:18, Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net
mailto:j...@spiffymap.net wrote:
By way of analogy: suppose I sent you a private email which
included a license saying if you publicly use my email, you must
share with me any
On 29/11/11 22:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
IMHO there is a difference between a travel photo and a map rendering.
This is a jpeg:
http://www.tnooz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/ITA-QR-code-1.jpg
This is a perfect example of the difference between the content and the
structure of a
Eugene Alvin Villar seav80@... writes:
Taking this argument to its logical conclusion, every digital file is
a database of bytes
Yes, I suggest that legally speaking this is likely to be the case.
Certainly any digital file that is in a documented, structured file format
with certain fields in
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
The European definition of a database is a collection of independent
works, data or other materials arranged in a systematic or methodical
way and individually accessible by electronic or other means.
Individual pixels comprising
On 28/11/11 23:59, James Livingston wrote:
On 28 November 2011 21:55, 80n 80n...@gmail.com
mailto:80n...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Frederik Ramm
frede...@remote.org mailto:frede...@remote.org wrote:
I could render a map from OSM and then render
Eugene Alvin Villar seav80@... writes:
The European definition of a database is a collection of independent
works, data or other materials arranged in a systematic or methodical
way and individually accessible by electronic or other means.
Which really, really should be the end of this.
A
2011/11/29 Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org:
A PNG doesn't fit this description as its intent is to encode a single
complete image and the pixels are not independent. Likewise PNG and SVG.
Place them in a systematic or methodical collection and you have a
database of images. But this is separate
On 30 November 2011 01:03, Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net wrote:
On 28/11/11 23:59, James Livingston wrote:
Depending on the rendering, it may not be the same. The placements of
name text can depend on other data so it's not on top of something else, or
POIs can be hidden if there are
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the word independent also applies to data and other materials.
I don't think so. Claiming that a collection of data would not be a database
if the Data is Not independent does not make much sense
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Whatever you publish could have other ingredients than just data; perhaps,
a few hundred hours' worth of a cartographer's editing in Illustrator.
*That* you don't have to release; it is yours to keep.
That can't be
Frederik Ramm wrote:
I think that anything said until here will not be disputed by Richard
Indeed not. :)
the bit that *can* be disputed is whether or not it is permissible
to label your resulting image a database and then not release
the database behind it.
Yep. I read the EU Database
Hi,
On 11/28/11 10:43, 80n wrote:
If you cannot reproduce the Produced Work 100% faithfully from the
Derived Database in what sense does the Derived Database contain all of
the information required to create the Produced Work?
It doesn't, and it doesn't have to. Only in so far as the
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
On 11/28/11 10:43, 80n wrote:
If you cannot reproduce the Produced Work 100% faithfully from the
Derived Database in what sense does the Derived Database contain all of
the information required to create the
Hi,
On 11/28/11 11:58, 80n wrote:
That's a very fine line you are trying to draw.
Yes, I agree it is difficult. I think that it is entirely possible to
arrive at an identical end product through different processes, where
one process has different license implications than the other.
For
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
On 11/28/11 11:58, 80n wrote:
That's a very fine line you are trying to draw.
Yes, I agree it is difficult. I think that it is entirely possible to
arrive at an identical end product through different
On 28/11/11 11:55, 80n wrote:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
mailto:frede...@remote.org wrote:
Yes, I agree it is difficult. I think that it is entirely possible
to arrive at an identical end product through different processes,
where one
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
I see that you and Frederik disagreed here. (FWIW I think he is right - a PNG
file can clearly be seen as a database of pixel values. It is an image too,
and perhaps even a map or a photograph, but legally it would be hard to
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
I see that you and Frederik disagreed here. (FWIW I think he is right -
a PNG
file can clearly be seen as a database of pixel values. It is an
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:31 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
I see that you and Frederik disagreed here. (FWIW I think he is right -
a PNG
Hi,
On 11/28/2011 12:55 PM, 80n wrote:
I could render a map from OSM and then render something else on top
of it, say a commercially acquired set of hotel POIs. That would
clearly be a Produced Work; I could point anyone asking for the
source data to the planet file and the
On 28 November 2011 21:55, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.orgwrote:
I could render a map from OSM and then render something else on top of
it, say a commercially acquired set of hotel POIs. That would clearly be a
Produced Work; I
I think the word independent also applies to data and other materials.
I don't think so. Claiming that a collection of data would not be a database if
the Data is Not independent does not make much sense IMHO
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On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
Right, so I guess what Kai Kruger wrote you only have to share the last
in a
chain of derived databases that leads to a produced work, right? is not
so?
As far as I can see there is no requirement to show your workings as
Hi,
On 11/27/2011 11:00 PM, Ed Avis wrote:
I believe I was thinking of this thread:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.legal/6306
I see that you and Frederik disagreed here.
[...]
The access to source data clause in ODbL expressly applies to both
Derivative Databases and
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