Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] my views on the ODbL

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:48 AM, John Smith wrote: > What I'm curious about is if a document is written in XML can be > considered copyrighted, why can't geo-data be copyrighted as well > since it's not a database of facts, but a document of information > created, in this case, by crowd sourcing. >

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] my views on the ODbL

2009-12-05 Thread John Smith
2009/12/6 Anthony : > What, you say, you already had that right anyway?  Well, here in the US, I > already have the right to copy and redistribute the OSM database. Depends what laws the laws in your jurisdictions are derived from. Sometimes it's anything goes unless you aren't allowed to do it.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] my views on the ODbL

2009-12-05 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Matt Amos wrote: > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Anthony wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Matt Amos wrote: > >> therefore, if someone downloads if from > >> them, the license notice is intact and they implicitly agree to it as > >> soon as they are s

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] my views on the ODbL

2009-12-05 Thread Matt Amos
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Matt Amos wrote: >> therefore, if someone downloads if from >> them, the license notice is intact and they implicitly agree to it as >> soon as they are simultaneously aware of it and performing acts >> governed by

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] my views on the ODbL

2009-12-05 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Matt Amos wrote: > the agreement doesn't kick in from the reading of the license, it > kicks in when you do something that only the license would permit you > to do. The whole basis of the switch away from CC-BY-SA is that there is doubt as to whether or not the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] my views on the ODbL

2009-12-05 Thread Matt Amos
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Matt Amos wrote: >> >> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Anthony wrote: >> > Now, when I >> > download the OSM database from that mirror site, what binds me to the >> > ODbL? >> > Absolutely nothing. >> >> your email

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] my views on the ODbL

2009-12-05 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Matt Amos wrote: > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Anthony wrote: > > Now, when I > > download the OSM database from that mirror site, what binds me to the > ODbL? > > Absolutely nothing. > > your email here proves you are aware of the terms of such a download. :

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] my views on the ODbL

2009-12-05 Thread Matt Amos
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Anthony wrote: > Now, when I > download the OSM database from that mirror site, what binds me to the ODbL? > Absolutely nothing. your email here proves you are aware of the terms of such a download. :-) for people who haven't so publicly demonstrated their awarene

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] my views on the ODbL

2009-12-05 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > I don't think you have at all answered the points in that, and therefore > I stand by the viewpoint that in Australia, ODbL has the best chance of > any open, non-clickwrap licence of protecting OSM's data. > Which is to say, none at all?

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] my views on the ODbL

2009-12-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
On 05/12/2009 21:31, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > The proposed licence is not a benefit to Australians in my view. You have generously qualified this with "in my view" and I should point out that I disagree with all the force I can muster. I spent about two hours this morning writing a pretty detaile