Hi,
On 04.03.2011 15:04, Antony Pegg wrote:
knowing the amazing diligence of this community, I'm sure you guys will find
tags we've missed that should or could be used for bike/pedestrian.
you've missed the cycleway=opposite tag on oneways.
cheers
ant
About that tag, it makes sense if there actually is a bicycle path, but when
it's a street where only bicycles can go in two directions, wouldn't it make
more sense to use one_way:bicycle=no?
Jo
2011/3/11 ant antof...@gmail.com
Hi,
On 04.03.2011 15:04, Antony Pegg wrote:
knowing the
Jo winfi...@gmail.com writes:
About that tag, it makes sense if there actually is a bicycle path, but when
it's a street where only bicycles can go in two directions, wouldn't it make
more sense to use one_way:bicycle=no?
Well, you can propose to change the tagging scheme, but the
2011/3/7 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
On 03/06/2011 07:13 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2011/3/7 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
OK, so.. this isn't a motorway?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_84_(west)
I don't have an idea how
2011/3/7 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
you might think about tagging them as
trunk roads or change the country specific definition for motorways in
the US.
another option would be to tag them as bicycle=yes and
highway=motorway, even if this might seem redundant to you, it
Hi,
On 06.03.2011 17:15, Cartinus wrote:
Experience teaches us that unless something consumes a not so common tag, it
won't get tagged much. Once a tag is consumed by something highly visible
like a renderer or a router it's use will increase.
Meanwhile if the MQ bike router would know about
2011/3/7 ant antof...@gmail.com:
When turn restrictions are practically circumvented by
separate cycle tracks that are not mapped, their application for bicycle
routing is based on nothing
It is a common mapping error to not map distinct cycle tracks with an
own way and it is the reason, why
Am 07.03.2011 11:30, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer:
2011/3/7 antantof...@gmail.com:
When turn restrictions are practically circumvented by
separate cycle tracks that are not mapped, their application for bicycle
routing is based on nothing
It is a common mapping error to not map distinct
On 07.03.2011 11:30, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2011/3/7 antantof...@gmail.com:
When turn restrictions are practically circumvented by
separate cycle tracks that are not mapped, their application for bicycle
routing is based on nothing
It is a common mapping error to not map distinct cycle
2011/3/7 ant antof...@gmail.com:
On 07.03.2011 11:30, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
It's not an error, it's a matter of detail (micromapping). I do map such
ways separately--but lots of mappers don't. I believe it is still much more
common to add a cycleway=track to the road instead, which is a
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Last time I read a discussion about bicycles on interstates the only
known spot where they were allowed in the US was some few miles on one
rural interstate highway (where there was if I recall right no other
alternative route for many miles).
For trunk roads
On 07/03/2011 13:31, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
it is an error as soon as not all attributes on the road apply to the
parallel cycleway ...
Any map (in fact any measurement) has errors. Adding extra information
to the map is useful, even if it doesn't add all the information that
everyone
2011/3/7 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
the wiki states for the USA http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway
motorway = Limited access freeway with interchanges.
In my reading every highway which is not limited access should not be
tagged as motorway, be it
On 3/7/2011 9:51 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2011/3/7 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com:
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
the wiki states for the USA http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway
motorway = Limited access freeway with interchanges.
In my reading every highway which is not limited
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
I looked it up again, and I was partly wrong. Turns out only five
states disallow bicycles statewide on freeways: Ohio, Minnesota, Maine,
Indiana, Hawaii and Georgia. The rest may allow it and post such
restrictions at
On 06.03.2011 02:36, Steve Bennett wrote:
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 7:12 AM, antantof...@gmail.com wrote:
very nice! I've checked some of my daily bicycle routes. Of four routes two
are perfect, and two have become too long--obviously in favour of the use of
cycleways. Don't forget that although
Hi,
On 05.03.2011 23:46, Cartinus wrote:
On Saturday 05 March 2011 21:12:43 ant wrote:
One more thing... it seems that turn restrictions are regarded--although
they generally don't apply to cyclists (in most countries I guess).
Please fix this.
They should be regarded unless there is a tag
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 10:23:22 +0100
ant antof...@gmail.com wrote:
So the only situation I'd enforce a turn restriction
in is when the road is tagged bicycle=lane. Otherwise I'd ignore it.
I'm not sure in which country you are living, but in mine (au) a signed
turn restriction applies to all
On 6 March 2011 12:27, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
If it's a footway, unless it's clearly designed around foot use first
and foremost with bicycle an afterthought, it doesn't allow bicycles
unless explicitly tagged bicycle=yes. Otherwise it's a path. Maybe a
cycleway if there is
ant-2 wrote:
One more thing... it seems that turn restrictions are regarded--although
they generally don't apply to cyclists (in most countries I guess).
Please fix this.
If a turn restriction does not apply to cyclists, there's a way to tag that.
In the US, bikes are vehicles and are
Experience teaches us that unless something consumes a not so common tag, it
won't get tagged much. Once a tag is consumed by something highly visible
like a renderer or a router it's use will increase.
Meanwhile if the MQ bike router would know about except=bicycle and someone
complains about
2011/3/6 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
On 03/04/2011 08:04 AM, Antony Pegg wrote:
and include motorways and
trunks where not tagged bicycle=no for die-hard utility cycling)
for motorways it is generally assumed that bikes can't use them, there
you should look for bicycle=yes IMHO. For
On 03/06/2011 11:21 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2011/3/6 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
On 03/04/2011 08:04 AM, Antony Pegg wrote:
and include motorways and
trunks where not tagged bicycle=no for die-hard utility cycling)
for motorways it is generally assumed that bikes can't use
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 8:11 PM, ant antof...@gmail.com wrote:
Give more options! How about a safety slider from very safe to
break-neck? Presets for racing bike, trekking bike, mountainbike? Avoid
pedestrian areas? Avoid side roads and paths (useful in winter)?
Yeah, it seems you don't get far
2011/3/6 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
for motorways it is generally assumed that bikes can't use them, there
you should look for bicycle=yes IMHO. For trunk roads (and other roads
as well) there is also the tag motorroad=yes which prohibits cycling.
As has been repeatedly pointed out,
On 03/06/2011 06:47 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2011/3/6 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
for motorways it is generally assumed that bikes can't use them, there
you should look for bicycle=yes IMHO. For trunk roads (and other roads
as well) there is also the tag motorroad=yes which
2011/3/7 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
In most states and the vast majority of provinces, bicycles are
generally permitted except on older sections that lack proper shoulders
or have exceptionally difficult-to-cross ramps, in which case it's
explicitly posted at the entrance to this effect
On 03/06/2011 07:13 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2011/3/7 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
In most states and the vast majority of provinces, bicycles are
generally permitted except on older sections that lack proper shoulders
or have exceptionally difficult-to-cross ramps, in which case
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Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
From :mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org
Date :Sun Mar 06 19:21:03 America/Chicago 2011
On 03/06/2011 07:13 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2011/3/7 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
In most states and the vast majority
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Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
From :mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org
Date :Sun Mar 06 19:21:03 America/Chicago 2011
On 03/06/2011 07:13 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2011/3/7 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
In most states and the vast majority
On 03/06/2011 07:51 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
As far as I know, the only US Interstates that allow bicycles are in the
Western United States.
Other way around, generally disallowing bicycles is purely an
eastern-seaboard US thing in North America. Get west of the
Appalachians, and it's
More like west of the Mississippi. I can't even think of a single state east
of Colorado or Oklahoma that allows bicycles on limited-access freeways.
--
Kristian M Zoerhoff
On Mar 6, 2011 9:29 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On 03/06/2011 07:51 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
As far
On 03/06/2011 09:38 PM, Kristian Zoerhoff wrote:
More like west of the Mississippi. I can't even think of a single state
east of Colorado or Oklahoma that allows bicycles on limited-access
freeways.
Ohio, Michigan, Indiana and Tennessee come to mind right off.
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I believe the law implies that if there isn't an easy alternative route
within a reasonable distance from the interstate, you CAN ride on that
interstate. Some are explicatively stated no bikes allowed, but I believe
that there are plenty of examples east of the Mississippi that do allow you
to.
Michigan does not allow this, unless the change was very recent. I certainly
didn't see it when visiting the family last year.
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Kristian M Zoerhoff
On Mar 6, 2011 9:54 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On 03/06/2011 09:38 PM, Kristian Zoerhoff wrote:
More like west of the
On 03/06/2011 09:59 PM, Josh Kraayenbrink wrote:
I believe the law implies that if there isn't an easy alternative route
within a reasonable distance from the interstate, you CAN ride on that
interstate. Some are explicatively stated no bikes allowed, but I
believe that there are plenty of
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Antony Pegg anttheli...@gmail.com wrote:
HI all,
just a quick note - we've added bicycle and pedestrian routing options to
the MapQuest Open sites
more details here:
http://blog.mapquest.com/2011/03/03/open-routing-options-expanded/
couple known things:
Steve Bennett wrote:
Anyway, just did a quick test ...
I'm shocked. That's almost the exact route I took yesterday.
Same test here and same result... The differences being the result of a
couple of mistakes in the map, which I'm going to correct very soon. I'm
pleased with MapQuest Open's
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote:
The relief avoidance weighting is rather extreme - it will make rather large
detours to get around molehills...
Yeah, it possibly goes a little far. But it's easy to add extra way
points to make a more direct route. It's
On Sat, 05 Mar 2011 13:34:17 +0100
Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote:
Steve Bennett wrote:
Anyway, just did a quick test ...
I'm shocked. That's almost the exact route I took yesterday.
Same test here and same result... The differences being the result of
a couple of mistakes in
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Antony Pegg anttheli...@gmail.com wrote:
- We've already discovered highway=bridleway not included - we've updated
Hello Ant,
Considering how weak the standardization processes inside OSM is, you
should considered prior art:
-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
From :mailto:ed...@billiau.net
Date :Sat Mar 05 14:14:33 America/Chicago 2011
On Sat, 05 Mar 2011 13:34:17 +0100
Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote:
Steve Bennett wrote:
Anyway, just did a quick test ...
I'm shocked. That's
On Saturday 05 March 2011 21:12:43 ant wrote:
One more thing... it seems that turn restrictions are regarded--although
they generally don't apply to cyclists (in most countries I guess).
Please fix this.
They should be regarded unless there is a tag except=bicycle on the
restriction relation.
On 03/04/2011 08:04 AM, Antony Pegg wrote:
HI all,
just a quick note - we've added bicycle and pedestrian routing options
to the MapQuest Open sites
Thank you! I know I suggested this, I don't know if I was the only one.
knowing the amazing diligence of this community, I'm sure you guys
On 03/04/2011 08:04 AM, Antony Pegg wrote:
knowing the amazing diligence of this community, I'm sure you guys will
find tags we've missed that should or could be used for
bike/pedestrian. If you feel its worth mentioning, please please please
provide some point of reference so we can eyeball
On 03/04/2011 08:04 AM, Antony Pegg wrote:
knowing the amazing diligence of this community, I'm sure you guys will
find tags we've missed that should or could be used for
bike/pedestrian. If you feel its worth mentioning, please please please
provide some point of reference so we can eyeball
On 03/04/2011 08:04 AM, Antony Pegg wrote:
knowing the amazing diligence of this community, I'm sure you guys will
find tags we've missed that should or could be used for
bike/pedestrian. If you feel its worth mentioning, please please please
provide some point of reference so we can eyeball
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 7:12 AM, ant antof...@gmail.com wrote:
very nice! I've checked some of my daily bicycle routes. Of four routes two
are perfect, and two have become too long--obviously in favour of the use of
cycleways. Don't forget that although cycleways are preferable, cycling on
On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 12:36:32 +1100
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 7:12 AM, ant antof...@gmail.com wrote:
very nice! I've checked some of my daily bicycle routes. Of four
routes two are perfect, and two have become too long--obviously in
favour of the use of
On 03/04/2011 05:05 PM, john whelan wrote:
A possible task on the OSM side is to check the tags on footways through
parks. Some cities allow bicycles to use them but it needs local
knowledge, perhaps a project of the week? As we start to get more
routing made available so having the right
HI all,
just a quick note - we've added bicycle and pedestrian routing options to
the MapQuest Open sites
more details here:
http://blog.mapquest.com/2011/03/03/open-routing-options-expanded/
couple known things:
- We've already discovered highway=bridleway not included - we've updated
the
john whelan wrote:
A possible task on the OSM side is to check the tags on footways through
parks. Some cities allow bicycles to use them but it needs local
knowledge
Allow, tolerate, don't actively forbid ? I tend to rather encode local
custom instead of a strict interpretation of the
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Antony Pegg anttheli...@gmail.com wrote:
knowing the amazing diligence of this community, I'm sure you guys will find
tags we've missed that should or could be used for bike/pedestrian. If you
feel its worth mentioning, please please please provide some point of
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