Hi,
On 05/01/2015 05:07 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
I don't think that is something that really advances the quality in OSM,
and I would encourage you to grab a notepad and venture outside to do
some mapping. That way you wouldn't be scripting world-wide cleanup
operations but who knows, you
On 1 May 2015, at 16:56, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote:
If we want to unify a kind of chain store, I think we should leave the name
tag, and focus on other tags. Some examples are ref:vatin=* for the vat id of
the store, brand:wikidata=* for the wikidata id of the brand owner,
On 02/05/15 18:01, Colin Smale wrote:
A bit of a meta-discussion I wonder why this topic is not going
the same way as the debate on talk-gb last November-December in which
it was proposed to tidy up and normalise various spelling variants?
There was a lot of vehement opposition to any
On 02/05/2015 02:18, Andrew MacKinnon wrote:
The same is true with an amenity=restaurant called Subway, since
it should be amenity=fast_food and any Subway that is not the well
known chain would almost certainly be sued by the well known chain and
forced to changed its name.
I wouldn't
I wouldn't be so sure here.
As an example, there's a bakery chain in the UK called Greggs. They're
mostly tagged shop=bakery (with a few Subway-esque amenity=fast_food /
cuisine=sandwich as well). Occasionally shops like this get wrongly
tagged, sometimes as amenity=cafe, and there's always
A bit of a meta-discussion I wonder why this topic is not going the
same way as the debate on talk-gb last November-December in which it was
proposed to tidy up and normalise various spelling variants? There was a
lot of vehement opposition to any automated corrections as many chains
are
On 2 May 2015 at 02:18, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote:
If a store changes name a mechanical edit does not make
sense because usually new signs get put up gradually. For instance
Domino's Pizza changed its name to Domino's and is running TV ads
promoting this, but there are still
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
A bit of a meta-discussion I wonder why this topic is not going the same
way as the debate on talk-gb last November-December in which it was proposed
to tidy up and normalise various spelling variants? There was a lot
Hi,
On 05/02/2015 10:40 PM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote:
This is due to weirdness in trademark laws where sometimes companies
in different categories are allowed to use the same trademark - e.g.
Apple Inc. and Apple Records.
Also, by far not every chain will have a global trademark (or the clout
Hi,
On 05/02/2015 07:58 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
I suppose it depends whether we want to map what (sometimes incorrect)
store signs say, or what the stores actually are.
Definitely we want to map what's on the ground. We map mis-spellings in
road signs, too.
I favour the latter, but if you
On 2 May 2015 at 22:28, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
I know you have a Wikidata background and things may be different in
Wikidata
I've been editing OSM longer than Wikidata has existed.
Even had I not, I don't think your attempt to analyse my background
has any place on this
On 2 May 2015 at 23:18, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 2 May 2015 at 22:28, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
I know you have a Wikidata background and things may be different in
Wikidata
I've been editing OSM longer than Wikidata has existed.
Even had I not, I
While you're at it, please consider adding brand:wikidata=Q38076 for
McDonald's you verify.
Polyglot
2015-05-03 0:28 GMT+02:00 pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com:
On 2 May 2015 at 23:18, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 2 May 2015 at 22:28, Frederik Ramm
I found a few McDonald's that are not what you think they are. In OSM
there is a McDonald's confectionery shop in Mexico, a McDonald's
supermarket in Missouri, and a McDonald's kitchen store in New
Hampshire that are not fast food restaurants. Looks like you need to
be careful when fixing these.
It is also an easy fallacy to think that if the marketing people of some
chain decide to spell their name differently, we could or should simply
replace all names to what they should be - no we don't, we only change
the name when the store changes its lettering.
Another issue. If a store
I can confirm that McDonald's in Quebec, Canada have an apostrophe
from a Mapillary image of one in Gatineau, QC:
http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/CYy8HTA4MeQouhZ6929gJw. Reason being
that an apostrophe is English but it is allowed in Quebec (at least
nowadays) under French language laws.
I am
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Andrew,
That's a very computer person approach to take. In fact, the
McDonald's issue has already been tried by someone in the past with an
undiscussed mechanical edit, promptly falsifying a few non-chain
non-fastfood
If we want to unify a kind of chain store, I think we should leave the name
tag, and focus on other tags. Some examples are ref:vatin=* for the vat id
of the store, brand:wikidata=* for the wikidata id of the brand owner,
website=* for the central website, or we can find a new better tag that
On 1 May 2015 at 16:07, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Andrew,
On 05/01/2015 12:04 AM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote:
I am trying to figure out a way of cleaning up incorrect chain store
data in OSM. For example there are 1422 instances of McDonalds in
OSM (should be McDonald's) and
Andrew,
On 05/01/2015 12:04 AM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote:
I am trying to figure out a way of cleaning up incorrect chain store
data in OSM. For example there are 1422 instances of McDonalds in
OSM (should be McDonald's) and 203 instances of Tim Horton's (should
be Tim Hortons).
That's a very
On 5/1/2015 11:07 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
That's a very computer person approach to take. In fact, the
McDonald's issue has already been tried by someone in the past with an
undiscussed mechanical edit, promptly falsifying a few non-chain
non-fastfood places that*really* were called McDonalds
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com
wrote:
I think eventually chains will see the light, and publish their locations
in an open format compatible manner.
At that point a quick cross check
.. McDonald's problem...
Please don't forget the true McDonald's problem! It is a content
encoding hell.
and very hard to detect by any ordinary field mappers.
#1.
name=McDonald’s( count=126 ) U+2019 ’ e2 80 99 RIGHT SINGLE
QUOTATION MARK
On Friday 01 May 2015, Andrew MacKinnon wrote:
I have created pages on the OSM wiki called
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Chain_Store_Cleanup and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Chain_Store_Directory. Ideally I
would like to create wiki pages for every large chain of stores in
the
2015-05-01 13:36 GMT+02:00 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com:
I think eventually chains will see the light, and publish their
locations in an open format compatible manner. At that point a quick
cross check with OSM would clear up most of the issues.
Agree. Has anyone actually asked
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Johan C osm...@gmail.com wrote:
That's a good question Rob. 'Seeing the light' possibly means maintaining
your own platform/apps as a business. I did ask McDonald's back in 2012, I
got the following reply: We put focus on optimizing this McDonald's app
and
On 1 May 2015 at 20:26, Johan C osm...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-05-01 13:36 GMT+02:00 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com:
I think eventually chains will see the light, and publish their
locations in an open format compatible manner. At that point a quick
cross check with OSM would clear
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Imre Samu pella.s...@gmail.com wrote:
.. McDonald's problem...
Please don't forget the true McDonald's problem! It is a content
encoding hell.
and very hard to detect by any ordinary field mappers.
#1.
name=McDonald’s( count=126 ) U+2019 ’ e2
When it comes to McDonald's, at least in the USA and Canada, they (when they
are stand-alone stores) are extremely easy to verify via Bing Imagery since
they almost always use the same design for the buildings. It also helps when
the sun was just right when the imagery was taken that the
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:
I think eventually chains will see the light, and publish their locations
in an open format compatible manner.
At that point a quick cross check with OSM would clear up most of the
issues.
I think this depends on the
Approaching bigchains.com and asking them stupid questions is only going to
downgrade the quality of OSM in their eyes. Consequently, it'd be better
for OSM not to contact them - unless you can offer them '*something*'.
Google (maps) is a business - so has a significant advantage. As for
variable
On 1 May 2015 at 18:30, Imre Samu pella.s...@gmail.com wrote:
.. McDonald's problem...
Please don't forget the true McDonald's problem! It is a content
encoding hell.
and very hard to detect by any ordinary field mappers.
#1.
name=McDonald’s( count=126 ) U+2019 ’ e2 80 99
I think eventually chains will see the light, and publish their locations
in an open format compatible manner. At that point a quick cross check
with OSM would clear up most of the issues.
Agree. Has anyone actually asked the retail chains?
I haven't because I don't want to suggest that we will
I think http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/POI:McDonald%27s is overkill
however. And long term chances are
some form of synchronization with McDonald's official store finder will
replace the current manual process.
Agree, something like this with a more organized overview would be better:
I am trying to figure out a way of cleaning up incorrect chain store
data in OSM. For example there are 1422 instances of McDonalds in
OSM (should be McDonald's) and 203 instances of Tim Horton's (should
be Tim Hortons).
I have created pages on the OSM wiki called
You'll probably face an easier road if your clean page follows the
mechanical edit convention, using your name:
(sample: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Bryce_C_Nesbitt
),
even if you're not doing something fully mechanical.
Then:
1. Add the TODO plugin to JOSM.
2.
cleaning up incorrect chain store data in OSM.
... McDonald's fast food restaurant, ...
related project: https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index
and iD Editor use this (
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/data/name-suggestions.json )
and don't forget
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote:
And long term chances are
some form of synchronization with McDonald's official store finder will
replace the current manual process.
Agree, something like this with a more organized overview would be better
I think
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