Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-26 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Miércoles, 26 de Marzo de 2008, Lars Aronsson escribió: > The optimal solution for computerized maps is to use Mercator on > the local level and a picture of a rotating globe on the world > map, just like Google Earth does. But that's a lot harder to do > on the web with today's technology (HTM

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-26 Thread Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Mark Williams Enviado el: mié 26/03/2008 18:35 Para: Andy Robinson CC: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andy Robinson wrote: > On 26/03/2008, Mark Williams <[EMAI

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-26 Thread Mark Williams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andy Robinson wrote: > On 26/03/2008, Mark Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Lars Aronsson wrote: >> [some serious stuff] >> >> >> > Also, returning to cycle lanes, the "secondary" road >> > Malmslättsvägen is now marked with cycleway=lane, but

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-26 Thread Lars Aronsson
Andy Robinson wrote: > Its perhaps not ideal to place the bus_stop off to the side of the > highway since the stop is part of the highway. What's more, the bus stop is a physical area, some 5-6 metres wide that is a wedge between the street and the cycleway+sidewalk. I'd like things to be rende

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-26 Thread Andy Robinson
On 26/03/2008, Mark Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lars Aronsson wrote: > [some serious stuff] > > > > Also, returning to cycle lanes, the "secondary" road > > Malmslättsvägen is now marked with cycleway=lane, but this doesn't > > show on the map here. And how can I indicate that this b

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-26 Thread Mark Williams
Lars Aronsson wrote: [some serious stuff] > Also, returning to cycle lanes, the "secondary" road > Malmslättsvägen is now marked with cycleway=lane, but this doesn't > show on the map here. And how can I indicate that this bus stop > is only on the southern side of the street (buses going east

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread Lars Aronsson
Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: > If you use JOSM with the Mercator projection and draw a perfect > circle in the North of Sweden, you are actually drawing a > horizontal ellipse (east-west oriented) in the real world. Not true. The very idea of (the transversal) Mercator is that shapes suc

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: >Sent: 25 March 2008 10:27 PM >To: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio >Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: >| > In Mercator di

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: | > In Mercator distance is constant independent of orientation, isn't it? | | I don't know what you mean exactly. | | If you use JOSM with the Mercator projection and draw a perfect circle | in the North of Sweden, y

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
> In Mercator distance is constant independent of orientation, isn't it? Wrong. Quoting Wikipedia: "While the direction and shapes are accurate on a Mercator projection, it distorts the size." In other words, the Mercator projection is conformal, but not equidistant. In other words, it preserv

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/03/2008 19:16, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > >> In Mercator distance is constant independent of orientation, isn't it? > > Wrong. Quoting Wikipedia: > > "While the direction and shapes are accurate on a Mercator projection, it > distorts the size." > > In other words, the Mercator projecti

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > In Mercator distance is constant independent of orientation, isn't it? No, the effect is just not as pronounced as it is if you use EPSG4326. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mail

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
Para: Andy Robinson (blackadder) CC: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale On 25/03/2008 17:16, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: > Vector editing software such as CAD packages are normally scale free at the > editing level. The co-ordinates are simply sufficient, esp

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
David Earl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Sent: 25 March 2008 5:30 PM >To: Andy Robinson (blackadder) >Cc: 'Frederik Ramm'; 'Lars Aronsson'; talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale > >On 25/03/2008 17:16, Andy Robinson (blackadder)

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/03/2008 17:16, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: > Vector editing software such as CAD packages are normally scale free at the > editing level. The co-ordinates are simply sufficient, especially if you > have the ability to draw a vector a specific distance from a point as a > polar ray or sn

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: | Yes, they are probably using the same scale bar for WGS84 and Mercator. | | As far as I know, in WGS84, the scale bar is correct vertically (lat), | but in Mercator, that scale bar is wrong both vertically and | hori

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Frederik Ramm wrote: >Sent: 25 March 2008 3:47 PM >To: Lars Aronsson >Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale > >Hi, > >> I've never cared too much about that scale, but now I know that >> these apartment buildings along Syrengatan

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
consider the latitude of, for example, the center of the map when calculating the length of the scale bar. Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Lars Aronsson Enviado el: mar 25/03/2008 12:41 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > I've never cared too much about that scale, but now I know that > these apartment buildings along Syrengatan are 11 x 32 metres and > not 22 x 64 metres as JOSM would lead you to believe, > http://www.openstreetmap.org/? > lat=58.407&lon=15.600&zoom=17&layers=0BFT I'll look into that. > "

[OSM-talk] JOSM and scale

2008-03-25 Thread Lars Aronsson
At the equator, each degree of latitude or longitude represents a distance of 111 km. At latitude 60° (N or S), each latitude degree is still 111 km but since cos 60° = 0.5, each longitude degree is just half of that or 55.5 km. In JOSM, when I use the Mercator projection method, look at the