Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book

2010-10-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Martin, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: is there some content in the English translation that the German version doesn't have? The first English edition is based largely on the 3rd German edition. But since it was proof-read by people who were not involved in the German book, it does do some thin

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book

2010-10-28 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 28 October 2010 19:45, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/10/28 Kenneth Gonsalves : > > On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 15:51 +0100, Steve Chilton wrote: > >> "OpenStreetMap: Using and Enhancing the Free Map of the World" by > >> Ramm, Topf and Chilton is now widely available and selling well. > > > > ram

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book

2010-10-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/10/28 Kenneth Gonsalves : > On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 15:51 +0100, Steve Chilton wrote: >> "OpenStreetMap: Using and Enhancing the Free Map of the World" by >> Ramm, Topf and Chilton is now widely available and selling well. > > ramm and chilton have got together? wow! is there some content in t

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book

2010-10-28 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 15:51 +0100, Steve Chilton wrote: > "OpenStreetMap: Using and Enhancing the Free Map of the World" by > Ramm, Topf and Chilton is now widely available and selling well. ramm and chilton have got together? wow! -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC

[OSM-talk] OSM book

2010-10-28 Thread Steve Chilton
"OpenStreetMap: Using and Enhancing the Free Map of the World" by Ramm, Topf and Chilton is now widely available and selling well. Purchase from: http://www.amazon.co.uk/OpenStreetMap/dp/1906860114/ - where it is currently #32 in Books > Reference > Consumer Guides > Computer & Internet http:/

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book

2010-10-15 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 11:14 +0100, David Earl wrote: > publishers for David Mackay's book "Sustainable Energy without the > hot > air" that should be required reading for this list - especially the second part of the title. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves

[OSM-talk] OSM book

2010-10-15 Thread David Earl
At http://blog.geofabrik.de/?p=68 Frederick said of the OSM book, now out in English, "The book is of course a niche product as books go — with roughly 4,000 copies sold altogether." I think you sell yourself short: 4,000 copies is good, and is before *any* English language sales. I gather a t

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Dave F. wrote: Frederik: "All information in the book ...is already available for free on the OSM wiki" I don't think that's true. There's stuff on the lists or in various read-me files that is not on the Wiki. That's why my original quote was: "All information in the book - and even m

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-16 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 16 September 2010 16:23, Dave F. wrote: > The fallacy that there's more errors online than in print is perpetuated by > protectionists of those involved in the publication industry. > > When an error occurs in, say, the Oxford English Dictionary, how long does > it take to get amended? A lot lo

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/16 Dave F. : > When an error occurs in, say, the Oxford English Dictionary, how long does > it take to get amended? A lot longer than a wiki. and still most people, when it comes to reliability of information, prefer the Oxford English Dictionary. Strange, isn't it? It must have something

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/16 Dave F. : > Really? Apart from some really old fashion kudos, why? > Who thinks, "Hmm... i need to learn about OSM, so I'm off to my Local Uni > library." > Who, apart from the students, is actually allowed to enter said library? in Germany everybody can register (sometimes for a small

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-16 Thread Dave F.
Hi I'm obviously on a loosing wicket with this one. Feel free to buy the book if you wish, even though you've the data to hand right in front of you. I never said books were wrong, just pointless in this case. Frederik: "All information in the book ...is already available for free on the OS

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-16 Thread Christian H. Bruhn
Steve Chilton wrote: > It does - as far as I know - still generate income for project. > 80n may be best person to answer that as I believe agreement was > established when he was OSMF Treasurer. > If it is we should perhaps be pushing it more as many Amazon > purchases must be made over the OSM c

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-16 Thread 80n
ch.me.uk] > Sent: 15 September 2010 21:55 > To: Steve Chilton; talk@openstreetmap.org > Subject: RE: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published > > Steve wrote: > > > "OpenStreetMap: Using, and Contributing to, the Free World Map" > > (Paperback, in Englis

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-16 Thread Steve Chilton
-Original Message- From: Ed Loach [mailto:e...@loach.me.uk] Sent: 15 September 2010 21:55 To: Steve Chilton; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published Steve wrote: > "OpenStreetMap: Using, and Contributing to, the Free World Map" > (Paperback

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-16 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 16:54:26 -0700 Michal Migurski wrote: > > Apologies for living in the real world, but why do I need a highly > > priced printed book for information that is, or should be, > > available to all *free* of charge on line (apart from internet > > charges, obviously) for a *free* &

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-16 Thread Dane Springmeyer
On Sep 15, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Steve Chilton wrote: > "OpenStreetMap: Using, and Contributing to, the Free World Map" (Paperback, > in English) by Ramm/Topf/Chilton will be available in 5 days. Pre-order at > discount http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/book/9781906860110/ > > OpenGeoData post about

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-16 Thread Peter Körner
Am 16.09.2010 02:54, schrieb Dave F.: I bet there's something in the wiki I haven't discovered yet, but I'm not going to have to fork out £$ to find it. Hey, no prob - just don't buy a book. I don't read books on IT neither because I can't sit and read without playing around at the same time,

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Dave, Dave F. wrote: I fail to see how charging for regurgitated data (as confirmed by Frederik) is positive or productive. Firstly, lots of people pay money for OSM data (e.g. OSM Garmin maps regularly sell for €20 on eBay). That in itself is positive because it proves that OSM is actually

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-15 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 16.09.2010 02:54, Dave F. wrote: Personally, I want facts on how to use OSM, not opinions (Lord, as if i don't get enough of those on this forum :-) ). [...] I bet there's something in the wiki I haven't discovered yet, but I'm not going to have to fork out £$ to find it. 4: Books ca

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-15 Thread Dave F.
On 16/09/2010 01:08, Joseph Reeves wrote: I've not seen the book, but I have bought books before on subjects that were covered by free resources online. Books, I'm sure, are a good idea: 1: There is a lot of free stuff available out there on the Internet - a printed book, by an author or three,

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Dave, Dave F. wrote: Apologies for living in the real world, but why do I need a highly priced printed book for information that is, or should be, available to all *free* of charge on line (apart from internet charges, obviously) for a *free* & *open* crowd-sourcing project such as OSM? You

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-15 Thread Joseph Reeves
I've not seen the book, but I have bought books before on subjects that were covered by free resources online. Books, I'm sure, are a good idea: 1: There is a lot of free stuff available out there on the Internet - a printed book, by an author or three, provides a handy reference to the most relev

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-15 Thread Michal Migurski
On Sep 15, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Dave F. wrote: > On 15/09/2010 19:39, Steve Chilton wrote: >> "OpenStreetMap: Using, and Contributing to, the Free World Map" (Paperback, >> in English) by Ramm/Topf/Chilton will be available in 5 days. Pre-order at >> discount http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/book/97

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-15 Thread Dave F.
On 15/09/2010 19:39, Steve Chilton wrote: "OpenStreetMap: Using, and Contributing to, the Free World Map" (Paperback, in English) by Ramm/Topf/Chilton will be available in 5 days. Pre-order at discount http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/book/9781906860110/ Apologies for living in the real worl

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-15 Thread Ed Loach
Steve wrote: > "OpenStreetMap: Using, and Contributing to, the Free World Map" > (Paperback, in English) by Ramm/Topf/Chilton will be available > in 5 days. Pre-order at discount > http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/book/9781906860110/ > > OpenGeoData post about it: http://opengeodata.org/osm-book-

[OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-15 Thread Steve Chilton
"OpenStreetMap: Using, and Contributing to, the Free World Map" (Paperback, in English) by Ramm/Topf/Chilton will be available in 5 days. Pre-order at discount http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/book/9781906860110/ OpenGeoData post about it: http://opengeodata.org/osm-book-available-in-english Als

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Book of Funny Names

2008-02-13 Thread Dermot McNally
On 12/02/2008, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All > > There are a couple of books of rude street sign collections: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dmacker42/943996646/in/set-72157601085868233/ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.0672&lon=12.863&zoom=13&layers=0BFT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Book of Funny Names

2008-02-12 Thread Keith Thomson
This site will give you a list of amusing names that are close to you http://places.jump-around.com/closest/ Not sure where it gets the data from though. Keith SteveC wrote: > All > > There are a couple of books of rude street sign collections: > > http://icanhaz.com/rude_names > > This got

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Book of Funny Names

2008-02-12 Thread martin dodge
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, SteveC wrote: Hi, Mark Monmonier has a nice book documenting names on maps (toponyms) called 'From Squaw Tit to Whorehouse Meadow: How Maps Name, Claim, and Inflame', http://www.markmonmonier.com/work1.htm cheers martin > All > > There are a couple of books of rude street si

[OSM-talk] OSM Book of Funny Names

2008-02-12 Thread SteveC
All There are a couple of books of rude street sign collections: http://icanhaz.com/rude_names This got me thinking that we should make one. For example there is a Tennis Court on Tennis Road in the IoM http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.15646&lon=-4.4903&zoom=16&layers=B0FT So if you've a

[OSM-talk] OSM book (was: My Openstreetmap talk at 24C3)

2008-01-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > It is going to be a "real" book, German Language, about 300 pages, > and aims to have everything the would-be mapper needs to get going, > as well as an overview about the technical background of the project > (i.e. data model, XML, and stuff). We assume it is going to hit the > mark