Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Serge Wroclawski wrote: I go back to my central point: We're spending a lot of time blocking people and explaining to people why they're blocked. Let's find a way to turn this adversarial relationship into a cooperative one. Do you have a suggestion on how to do this? I do. If I read you

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-12 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Serge Wroclawski wrote: I go back to my central point: We're spending a lot of time blocking people and explaining to people why they're blocked. Let's find a way to turn this adversarial relationship into a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/12/11 12:50, Serge Wroclawski wrote: So if I read you right, you're saying if I register a domain and buy a server, you'll hand over administration of the OpenStreetMap Foundation to me. I don't think that everybody who runs a not-for-profit tileserver should be handed over

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-12 Thread Jochen Topf
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 01:53:46PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: On 10/12/11 12:50, Serge Wroclawski wrote: So if I read you right, you're saying if I register a domain and buy a server, you'll hand over administration of the OpenStreetMap Foundation to me. I don't think that everybody who

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-11 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 09-10-11 19:40, Frederik Ramm schreef: On 10/09/2011 05:51 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: OSMF could be the primary shareholder of a private entity that commercially exploits hosting tiles (..and what not more). I'm surprised to hear that

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-11 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Please bear in mind that, even if we wanted to offer free

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/11/2011 09:00 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: It's also a fact that a lot of people/organizations, when we tell them Run your own tileserver, don't want to. And they also don't want to use a third party tile service. They don't want to because they aren't interested in a Mapworld Map or a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-11 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Yes but there is no OpenStreetMap map. There is an OpenStreetMap database. The osm default mapnik render is the OSM map- let's not squabble over words. The style is part of the OSM repository. Do you have a better name?

[OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-09 Thread Richard Weait
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Please bear in mind that, even if we wanted to offer free tiles to every commercial app in the world, our hosts would not permit us to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-09 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 09-10-11 16:39, Richard Weait schreef: Providing commercial tiles is not a problem that the OSMF should try to solve. OSMF could be the primary shareholder of a private entity that commercially exploits hosting tiles (..and what not more).

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/09/2011 05:51 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: OSMF could be the primary shareholder of a private entity that commercially exploits hosting tiles (..and what not more). I'm surprised to hear that from someone who usually doesn't trust OSMF one bit! RichardWeait is right in saying that

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-09 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Having the OSMF provide commercial tiles is a bad idea. It would: - reduce services available to the community - hurt the community by competing against it Why do I think that having the OSMF provide commercial tiles is such a bad idea? Hi Richard, yes I can see there are some issues

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-09 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: [ ... ] Absolutely. This may be a rather controversial opinion, but would it maybe be a good idea to offer Qt like licencing for use of the OSM tile server? Having the OSMF provide commercial tiles is a bad idea. It would: - reduce services

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-09 Thread Kai Krueger
One could set up an entirely separate not-for-profit organisation e.g. Openstreetmap-Applications that is geared towards providing OSM based user oriented services, such as tileservers, user friendly map interfaces,... It could charge commercial customers a fee proportionally to operating costs

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/09/2011 09:59 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: One could set up an entirely separate not-for-profit organisation e.g. Openstreetmap-Applications that is geared towards providing OSM based user oriented services, such as tileservers, user friendly map interfaces,... It could charge commercial

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]

2011-10-09 Thread Richard Weait
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: Richard Weait said, earlier Having the OSMF provide commercial tiles is a bad idea. It would: - reduce services available to the community - hurt the community by competing against it Hi Richard, yes I can see