[OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
As best as we can tell the wiki only covers source=survey which is on the map features page so why does potlatch use source=GPS? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread Ed Loach
John wrote: As best as we can tell the wiki only covers source=survey which is on the map features page so why does potlatch use source=GPS? We? Anyway, you all seem to have missed source=User Defined on map features and the whole of the Key:source page. While GPS isn't specifically

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/24 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: We? The talk-au list Anyway, you all seem to have missed source=User Defined on map It also says on the map features page: You can use any tags you like as long as the values are verifiable. However, there is a benefit in agreeing to a recommended set of

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 24 Sep 2009, at 09:04, John Smith wrote: 2009/9/24 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: We? The talk-au list Anyway, you all seem to have missed source=User Defined on map It also says on the map features page: You can use any tags you like as long as the values are verifiable. However, there

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/24 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: It does not matter if it is documented. When you read source=GPS you can be pretty sure that you understand what it means. In this case survey and gps are synomonous, also I can't verify a GPS was in fact used if people move the way due to

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread Someoneelse
John Smith wrote: Unless you want to go to significant effort thaere is no point stating gps over survey. In fact stating GPS could be slightly misleading, you have no idea what type of gps was used, any additional techniques to improve from the talk-au list:

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/24 Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: I think that it's easy to get too prescriptive... I'm not suggesting anyone do any of that, I'm pointing out how silly it is to say gps is more precise than saying survey. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/24 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: The source tag has been in use for the past 3+ years and no one has made such a fuss over it as you. You missed all the fun and excitment on the talk-au list today. The hdop and pdop will vary widely across the track, thus it would be

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread Jonas Häggqvist
John Smith wrote: 2009/9/24 Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: I think that it's easy to get too prescriptive... I'm not suggesting anyone do any of that, I'm pointing out how silly it is to say gps is more precise than saying survey. source=GPS is a more precise description of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 24 Sep 2009, at 12:54, John Smith wrote: 2009/9/24 Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: I think that it's easy to get too prescriptive... I'm not suggesting anyone do any of that, I'm pointing out how silly it is to say gps is more precise than saying survey. A survey could mean

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/24 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: A survey could mean a walking papers style survey without a gps. Wouldn't that be an observation, a survey is physically surveying something... ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/24 Jonas Häggqvist ras...@rasher.dk: John Smith wrote: 2009/9/24 Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: I think that it's easy to get too prescriptive... I'm not suggesting anyone do any of that, I'm pointing out how silly it is to say gps is more precise than saying survey.

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread Dave F.
John Smith wrote: Wouldn't that be an observation, a survey is physically surveying something... ? What is a survey but observing your surroundings? (And recording them, which is what a walking paper entails). Even with high-tec recoding equipment, most surveyors (in UK) still have

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread Liz
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Jonas Häggqvist wrote: source=GPS is a more precise description of the source than source=survey. it isn't precise at all gps is a subset of survey but it leaves a lot to be desired in terms of precision if you think that precision will help you will need far more

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/24 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: What is a survey but observing your surroundings? (And recording them, which is what a walking paper entails). Lets face it, most surveyed paths are made by consumer grade GPS receivers, and street names surveyed are by observation, so source=survey

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
you might be shocked. I rarely add this info. many edits are a mix of gps, yahoo tracing, best guess, averaging and interpolation with other existing data, topo maps if free version available, free shape files. why would I add all this info? just a lot of work with no benefit. we are not

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/25 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: you might be shocked. I rarely add this info. many edits are a mix of gps, yahoo tracing, best guess, averaging and interpolation  with other existing data, topo maps if free version available, free shape files. why would I add all this info?

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread Emilie Laffray
2009/9/24 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com if someone likes to add it so let them do it. osm means open What does street map mean? I don't think that sticking to the name will get us anywhere. OSM has reached a stage where we are not just mapping streets any more. I mean we have

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread Dave F.
Emilie Laffray wrote: 2009/9/24 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com if someone likes to add it so let them do it. osm means open What does street map mean? I don't think that sticking to the name will get us anywhere. OSM has reached a

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread Emilie Laffray
Dave F. wrote: Emilie Laffray wrote: 2009/9/24 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com if someone likes to add it so let them do it. osm means open What does street map mean? I don't think that sticking to the name will get us anywhere.

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread Liz
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: you might be shocked. I rarely add this info. many edits are a mix of gps, yahoo tracing, best guess, averaging and interpolation with other existing data, topo maps if free version available, free shape files. why would I add all this

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: It is really important for us aussie mappers to know whether a road has been genuiinely surveyed - that is someone went there as opposed to traced from Landsat images. Then ask people to use highway=road if they don't survey from

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Thread John Smith
2009/9/25 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: It is really important for us aussie mappers to know whether a road has been genuiinely surveyed - that is someone went there as opposed to traced from Landsat images. Then ask people to use