On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:34 AM, David ``Smith'' vidthe...@gmail.com wrote:
I'll concede that there's a me too aspect involved with trying to
make OSM work for geocoding like the big names do. But that doesn't
mean there aren't legitimate motivations. OSM's street map is
arguably better than
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009, Richard Mann wrote:
Perhaps these mega-imports should be background data, equivalent to Yahoo
and NPE, for people to trace off if they've got a reasonable belief in
their current correctness, but not to be used raw? Then while people are
tracing their neighbourhood, they
Perhaps these mega-imports should be background data, equivalent to Yahoo
and NPE, for people to trace off if they've got a reasonable belief in their
current correctness, but not to be used raw? Then while people are tracing
their neighbourhood, they might put in some of the details that aren't
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Richard Mann
richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote:
Perhaps these mega-imports should be background data, equivalent to Yahoo
and NPE, for people to trace off if they've got a reasonable belief in their
current correctness, but not to be used raw?
I
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
In any case, I don't think it would have worked for the TIGER road
import, but an import procedure like that for the GPX traces would be
a possibility for some imported data. Put the data in its own
separate tables and let people
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
In any case, I don't think it would have worked for the TIGER road
import, but an import procedure like that for the GPX traces would be
a possibility for
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
any geocoder/reverse-geocoder
that wants the original TIGER data can just parse TIGER.
Please note that this is an argument specific to TIGER *address* data.
It doesn't hold for *roadway* data, because the roadway is all
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that
like to grumble about TIGER, but I haven't heard a single person say
that it did more harm than good.
It did more harm than good.
As someone who has worked with TIGER data
Andy Allan writes:
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that
like to grumble about TIGER, but I haven't heard a single person say
that it did more harm than good.
It did more harm than good.
No, it didn't.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
Andy Allan writes:
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that
like to grumble about TIGER, but I haven't heard a single person say
that it
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd love to know which map has an
accurate pedestrian routing network that is collected as such and not
a derived interpretation of other base maps.
C'mon, this is the United States. A blank map is an accurate
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:14 , Anthony wrote:
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd love to know which map has an
accurate pedestrian routing network that is collected as such and not
a derived interpretation of other base maps.
C'mon, this is the
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:05 , Andy Allan wrote:
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
Andy Allan writes:
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that
like to grumble about TIGER, but
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 15:05 +, Andy Allan wrote:
So please, turn away from imports and work on getting mappers in
charge, especially out pounding the streets. The outcome will be much,
much better in the end, and that end will come much, much quicker.
I think TIGER was a success if only
Andy Allan writes:
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
should I waste my time, as you folks in the UK have **been forced** to
waste your time reinventing an existing map?
Sorry, which map have we reinvented?
If OSM is better than OS, then you've
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 5:46:49 pm Andy Allan wrote:
There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that
like to grumble about TIGER, but I haven't heard a single person say
that it did more harm than good.
It did more harm than good.
same thing happened for the import of AND data in Mumbai
On Tuesday 17 November 2009 02:03:22 Russ Nelson wrote:
We have a public domain
map which we could start with.
If all you're aiming for is a slightly better version of TIGER, then
it was worth starting with TIGER and that's pretty much all you'll
get. Oh, look, that's what
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Qgis.png for an example
of something I whipped up for my neighborhood in a few hours
http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/1825/download for
a sample of what the osm looks
Hi,
Dave Hansen wrote:
There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that
like to grumble about TIGER, but I haven't heard a single person say
that it did more harm than good.
Well then you obviously haven't read the two latest entries in Matt
Amos' blog here,
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 23:30 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Dave Hansen wrote:
There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that
like to grumble about TIGER, but I haven't heard a single person say
that it did more harm than good.
Well then you obviously haven't read the two latest entries in
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Dan Homerick danhomer...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by, That's just not happening. Clarify?
I should add that my comment about being highly in favor of the import is
riding on the assumption that we'll have something like 'tiger:reviewed =
no'
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:
On 11/13/09 10:43 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
O
TIGER is an incredibly huge data set. It comes from what may be the
most diverse set of primary sources of anything in the world short of
OSM itself.
It shouldn't be
For pretty much all of Florida there is parcel-by-parcel address
information available from the county. If you want to import address
information, that would be much more accurate than TIGER.
For that case, clearly the county information is vastly preferred over
TIGER. I'm curious about
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
the problem is Tiger contains tons of dead data.
No, the problem is that TIGER uses privacy-obfuscated potential
addresses, while the Karlsruhe Schema is set up for actual addresses.
Yes, in some locations the error
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:
For pretty much all of Florida there is parcel-by-parcel address
information available from the county. If you want to import address
information, that would be much more accurate than TIGER.
For that case, clearly the county
TIGER is fine if you don't have anything else. But that's not the
case where I live. It's fine to fall back on if your actual address
search fails. But adding it in a way that encourages people to
*update* the potential addresses with actual addresses defeats that
possibility.
Perhaps
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:
TIGER is fine if you don't have anything else. But that's not the
case where I live. It's fine to fall back on if your actual address
search fails. But adding it in a way that encourages people to
*update* the potential
On 13 Nov 2009, at 23:56 , Dan Homerick wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the
inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in
from scratch. I've
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 23:56 -0800, Dan Homerick wrote:
i, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I
think the inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than
no one is interested to cleanup crap after a bad import.
No one is writing this email.
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On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
some cautious people are
even afraid to touch tiger data because it has this Tiger is a
reference data I don't feel confident to change it label attached.
If you're scared of the tiger tags, just remove them.
On 14 Nov 2009, at 10:22 , Dave Hansen wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 23:56 -0800, Dan Homerick wrote:
i, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I
think the inaccuracies will
On Sat, 2009-11-14 at 21:35 -0500, Anthony wrote:
Unless you can point me to some documentation as to what the tiger id
*means* (*), I'm not going to think about it at all. Sometimes I keep
it, sometimes I delete it, sometimes I delete the whole way and create
a new one in its place (without
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 17:14 -0700, SteveC wrote:
Can I have SF county, CA please and Arapahoe County, CO...?
http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/secret/stevec-345/
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On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py
We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some
people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time.
You gotta have the addr:street information somewhere.
Oops! Yes, that should be the minimum required.
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On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some
people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time.
And hopefully in some places not at all. In many locations there's
way more accurate
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some
people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time.
And hopefully in some
Anthony writes:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some
people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time.
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 21:50 -0500, Anthony wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think
some
people have some plans on how to get
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:11 PM, SteveC wrote:
Dave
I've looked at the two you sent me and they're both basically fine but for
two things.
In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on
north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just
TIGER is an incredibly huge data set. It comes from what may be the
most diverse set of primary sources of anything in the world short of
OSM itself.
It shouldn't be trusted explicitly (no single map should). Do you
have
some more constructive information about places where you've
I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the
inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in
from scratch. I've done a lot of mapping in my area, but haven't
been willing to start doing addresses, even before I knew that the
TIGER import was
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.comwrote:
I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the
inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in from
scratch. I've done a lot of mapping in my area, but haven't been willing to
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