Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(Trolley)

2010-04-29 Thread Adrien Pavie
Alex S. wrote : Since it's been brought up, how about a tag/sub-tag for handbaskets? It would be just as nice to know if the local bodega/mini-mart/c-store have them before leaving the house. I suggest a separate tag, but it's a good idea, if this was not proposed or adopted why not =) And

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-28 Thread Adrien Pavie
Liz wrote : What about airport trolleys/carts/trundlers? Mapping the location of those would be useful. Yes, good idea. At first I don't think about airports but there's equelly trolleys. But in this case, the tag become more general and the proposition for the name shop:cart is

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-28 Thread John Smith
On 28 April 2010 22:14, Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net wrote: Yes, good idea. At first I don't think about airports but there's equelly trolleys. But in this case, the tag become more general and the proposition for the name shop:cart is unadapted... So for the names, there's now the choice

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-28 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net wrote: So for the names, there's now the choice between trolley, cart, or maybe trundler. But trundler seems to be specific at Australia, and trolley specific to England, so the more adapted name may be cart=yes/no, I think.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-28 Thread Adrien Pavie
John Smith wrote : On 28 April 2010 22:14, Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net wrote: Yes, good idea. At first I don't think about airports but there's equelly trolleys. But in this case, the tag become more general and the proposition for the name shop:cart is unadapted... So for the names,

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-28 Thread Adrien Pavie
Pieren wrote : Besides the question of tagging such things, OSM has a long tradition of using the english words for the tags, not the US. This is because the project has been founded there. I don't see why we should change now because you read one complain from Australia and two from US...

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-28 Thread John F. Eldredge
right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:12:43 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-28 Thread Adrien Pavie
John F. Eldredge wrote : Speaking as an American, I think that amenity=shopping_trolley would be sufficient to tell people that we aren't talking about trolley cars (street railways), and it wouldn't be hard to learn the meaning of shopping trolley. So, a tag like shop:trolley=yes/no could

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-28 Thread John F. Eldredge
to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:43:00 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley) John F

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(Trolley)

2010-04-28 Thread Alex S.
John F. Eldredge wrote: English has a proverbial expression, going to hell in a handbasket, meaning that things are going wrong at a rapid pace. Since it's been brought up, how about a tag/sub-tag for handbaskets? It would be just as nice to know if the local bodega/mini-mart/c-store have

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-27 Thread Kev js1982
With regards to the fee how would you tag the majority of uk supermarkets where the trolleys accept both £1 and €1 coins? This seams to be pretty standard on all trolleys introduced since approx 1998. On 4/26/10, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: On 26 April 2010 11:45, Adrien Pavie

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-27 Thread Liz
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Kev js1982 wrote: With regards to the fee how would you tag the majority of uk supermarkets where the trolleys accept both £1 and €1 coins? This seams to be pretty standard on all trolleys introduced since approx 1998. I have a token which can used in a trolley/cart

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-27 Thread Claudius
Am 26.04.2010 20:45, Adrien Pavie: Ok, I will change it in the wiki, shop:cart=true/false and the other tags/propositions. But it could be funny create a roadsign No shopping carts =P And by the way: I suggest using yes/no as values instead of the computer science lingo true/false. Claudius

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-27 Thread Andrew Errington
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:13:09 Gregory wrote: In England (and GB English is the choice language for OSM tags) we call them shopping trolleys, or trolleys. In New Zealand they are trundlers. A ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-27 Thread Ken Guest
oh yes please. almost all trolleys I've encountered around home require 1 euro coins - except the ones at Aldi where 2 euro coins are required. Perhaps then I can expand on my script (and someone can update openstreetbrowser) to filter stores by what denomination of coin is required for using

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-27 Thread Adrien Pavie
Claudius wrote : And by the way: I suggest using yes/no as values instead of the computer science lingo true/false. Yes/no was what I choose when i create the wiki page, but yes/no is already used by access tag for the restrictions on roads.. and I've looked somewhere in the wiki it's

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-27 Thread Alex S.
Adrien Pavie wrote: Kev js1982 wrote : With regards to the fee how would you tag the majority of uk supermarkets where the trolleys accept both £1 and €1 coins? This seams to be pretty standard on all trolleys introduced since approx 1998. I think there's a way to set a default value when

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-27 Thread John F. Eldredge
Cc: OSM - Talk GBtalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley) oh yes please. almost all trolleys I've encountered around home require 1 euro coins - except the ones at Aldi where 2 euro coins are required. Perhaps then I can expand on my script

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-27 Thread Gregory
Gregory wrote : A lot of supermarkets have a system to stop you taking trolleys/carts home (sometimes instead of a charge) so they have a sign like No carts beyond this line, cart will stop suddenly. I never see this system in France, we just have to put a coin to detach the cart from the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-27 Thread dri60
Gregory wrote : In the UK it is an alternative to a coin (which can be annoying if you don't have change). I think there is an interesting trend throughout the years I've grown up of what the latest was. Now I would expect the biggest chains to operate this and smaller chains (or smaller

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-27 Thread Liz
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Adrien Pavie wrote: Hello, I send a proposal Trolley (in part shop) and I send this RFC to get opinions about this. This is a direct link : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Trolley The tag is for know if a shop has trolleys. All the details are in

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-26 Thread Adrien Pavie
Alex S. : Why would shops have light-rail trains? Yes, it's for shopping cart or caddie, trains in a shop could be strange ^^'. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-26 Thread Liz
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Adrien Pavie wrote: Alex S. : Why would shops have light-rail trains? Yes, it's for shopping cart or caddie, trains in a shop could be strange ^^'. because its a model train shop :) ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-26 Thread Ken Guest
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net wrote: Alex S. : Why would shops have light-rail trains? Yes, it's for shopping cart or caddie, trains in a shop could be strange ^^'. could be? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-26 Thread Aun Yngve Johnsen
1) I do not see the point in this tag, 99% of supermarkets and grocery stores world wide have some form of carts available for its customers, the few exemptions I have seen are shops that are too small, or shops where you ask for the groceries directly over the counter. 2) shop:cart=yes/no

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-26 Thread Adrien Pavie
Aun Johnsen wrote : 1) I do not see the point in this tag, 99% of supermarkets and grocery stores world wide have some form of carts available for its customers, the few exemptions I have seen are shops that are too small, or shops where you ask for the groceries directly over the counter.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-26 Thread Adrien Pavie
Don't forget that we already use the scheme vehicle=yes/no/designated/maybe/... to express access restrictions for modes of transport - so cart=no actually means no shopping cart riding allowed in here ;-) -Martin Ok, I will change it in the wiki, shop:cart=true/false and the other

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-26 Thread Gregory
On 26 April 2010 11:45, Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net wrote: Don't forget that we already use the scheme vehicle=yes/no/designated/maybe/... to express access restrictions for modes of transport - so cart=no actually means no shopping cart riding allowed in here ;-) -Martin Ok, I

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-25 Thread Alex S.
Adrien Pavie wrote: The tag is for know if a shop has trolleys. All the details are in the wiki. Thanks in advance for comments. Why would shops have light-rail trains? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-25 Thread John F. Eldredge
He is referring to what Americans call shopping carts. --Original Message-- From: Alex S. Sender: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley) Sent: Apr 25, 2010 4:34 PM Adrien Pavie wrote