Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 28/07/2011 09:33, Nathan Edgars II wrote: So what's the correct name of the bridge? Does the highway department set the standard, and so both saints are abbreviated? Or do we go with what the cities call themselves and use Saint Paul-East St. Paul Bridge? I wonder what the process is to

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Colin Smale wrote: On 28/07/2011 09:33, Nathan Edgars II wrote: So what's the correct name of the bridge? Does the highway department set the standard, and so both saints are abbreviated? Or do we go with what the cities call themselves and use Saint Paul-East St. Paul Bridge? I wonder

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 28/07/2011 13:27, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Here (Florida) most roads are named by subdivision plats. Names can be changed and unplatted streets can be named by government resolution. Here's an example:

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: It sounds like there are three types of street name: 1) Official, as decided by the Powers That Be 2) Signed, as displayed on the signs 3) Colloquial, as people habitually use So which one do we put in name=*, and what do we do with the others?

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Colin Smale wrote: I assume all the variations would be easily understood anyway so it probably doesn't matter that much. Not worth a protracted debate in any case... In this case it might make sense to opt for the variant with the least possiblity of misunderstanding, so Parkway. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: Then the process for finding the name would need to include traveling the entire length of the road and looking at each sign. Because of sign inconsistency, one would end up with parallel streets, some abbreviated and some not. Because of sign

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Pieren
1. It was decided a long time ago that abbreviations are not used in tag name 2. the US contributors can decide to do it differently than the rest of the world for their country but they will have to explain why software developers should develop special code for them 3. the tag official_name has

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 28/07/2011 15:13, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Colin Smale wrote: I assume all the variations would be easily understood anyway so it probably doesn't matter that much. Not worth a protracted debate in any case... In this case it might make sense to opt for the variant with the least possiblity

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Joseph Reeves
4. although the tag name is used by Mapnik and others, please don't fulfill the tag name for the renderers Likewise, my favourite annoyance tagging a place name with the English and the Arabic [1]: - *name*: Tripoli طرابلس Some might argue that this will render nicely for those of us who

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com: 4. although the tag name is used by Mapnik and others, please don't fulfill the tag name for the renderers Likewise, my favourite annoyance tagging a place name with the English and the Arabic [1]: This is IMHO a hint where we could improve the

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 28/07/2011 15:32, Pieren wrote: 1. It was decided a long time ago that abbreviations are not used in tag name To quote the wiki: ...except if the signs have abbreviated words and you don't know what the full word is. There is currently no table of standard abbreviations (St. could be

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Colin Smale wrote: It's still the same road, even in the face of variations in the spelling. I can't for the life of me think of a reason for worrying about whether it's Pkwy or Parkway, as both are easily understood to be equivalent. There will only be one official spelling (cf. your

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Kay Drangmeister
Am 28.07.2011, 15:59 Uhr, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: This is IMHO a hint where we could improve the rendering to overcome this situation, as it is clearly tagging for the renderers. I guess the editor who made this edit in Version 31 (before it was consistent) added the

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Kay Drangmeister k...@drangmeister.net: Yup, my favourite is Europe's most important country: http://osm.org/go/0B2j- covering the country name for UK, Germany, and other nearby countries :-D If you're referring to Belgium: they actually do have 3 official names. Not sure how to

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Matt Williams
On 28 July 2011 16:41, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/7/28 Kay Drangmeister k...@drangmeister.net: Yup, my favourite is Europe's most important country: http://osm.org/go/0B2j- covering the country name for UK, Germany, and other nearby countries :-D If you're

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Stephan Knauss
Joseph Reeves writes: Some might argue that this will render nicely for those of us who don't read Arabic, but it's completely wrong. The name:en tag exists for a reason - put the English in there and have the name: as طرابلس some places render it better. e.g this bilingual rendering

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Joseph Reeves
Bilingual or localised renderings are great - exactly what should be happening - but stuffing a load of different names in the same field is a horrible practice. Additional localised renderings would presumably help, but I don't know who's going to stump up the servers and bandwidth for that.

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: then let's nominate a tag to contain the as signed form, so everybody knows where they're at. Then the renderers only have two places to look to find the most useful form. Such tag already exist and was mentionned on