Re: [OSM-talk] What does WGS84 mean for openstreetmap these days?

2019-12-20 Thread Simon Poole
It's not quite the same thing as uncertainty in the datum itself. Crust movements simply lead to things being somewhere else relative to a global datum (aka they have moved), so a new measurement of the position for the same object would return the correct current position and theoretically if

Re: [OSM-talk] What does WGS84 mean for openstreetmap these days?

2019-12-20 Thread Greg Troxel
"Jóhannes Birgir Jensson" writes: > Well the current issue in Iceland is a error of 50 cm between 1993 and > 2016 due to crust movements. So it's less than 2 meters but more than > one cm. That's interesting and a useful data point for later discussion about the points that my message said this

Re: [OSM-talk] What does WGS84 mean for openstreetmap these days?

2019-12-20 Thread Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
Well the current issue in Iceland is a error of 50 cm between 1993 and 2016 due to crust movements. So it's less than 2 meters but more than one cm. What is your accuracy limit if 2m is just unacceptable but a centimeter is? 19. desember 2019 kl. 17:58, skrifaði "Greg Troxel" : > Interesting

Re: [OSM-talk] What does WGS84 mean for openstreetmap these days?

2019-12-19 Thread Greg Troxel
Yantisa Akhadi writes: > To add more challenges to this issue is imagery offset > . The value > can even be varied from tiles to tiles, that we often need to shift the > object a couple of meters away. In a remote area, where there are

Re: [OSM-talk] What does WGS84 mean for openstreetmap these days?

2019-12-19 Thread Yantisa Akhadi
To add more challenges to this issue is imagery offset . The value can even be varied from tiles to tiles, that we often need to shift the object a couple of meters away. In a remote area, where there are no GPS traces as a reference,

Re: [OSM-talk] What does WGS84 mean for openstreetmap these days?

2019-12-19 Thread Greg Troxel
"Jóhannes Birgir Jensson" writes: > I don't think we can or will be providing accuracy up to cm when most > of the stuff we map from our chairs is off by a meter or two anyways - > the beauty is that it doesn't matter for 99,99% of users. If a > centimeter matters then we are probably dealing

Re: [OSM-talk] What does WGS84 mean for openstreetmap these days?

2019-12-19 Thread Greg Troxel
Simon Poole writes: > Thus is a slightly tricky subject and it is not going away. > > For another aspect of it see > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/StephaneP/diary/390290 Thanks -- I had not seen that. I would say that to be pedantic, there is a minor error in the post, in that OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] What does WGS84 mean for openstreetmap these days?

2019-12-19 Thread Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
Hello Greg I don't think we can or will be providing accuracy up to cm when most of the stuff we map from our chairs is off by a meter or two anyways - the beauty is that it doesn't matter for 99,99% of users. If a centimeter matters then we are probably dealing with legal matters and there

Re: [OSM-talk] What does WGS84 mean for openstreetmap these days?

2019-12-19 Thread Simon Poole
Thus is a slightly tricky subject and it is not going away. For another aspect of it see https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/StephaneP/diary/390290 Essentially in some cases we are using imagery that isn't actually using WGS84 as if it was (fsvo of WGS84 as you correctly point out) and we