Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap iPhone app
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:19 AM, John McKerrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10 Nov 2008, at 14:14, Rory McCann wrote: > >> On 10/11/08 12:40, Joseph Gentle wrote: >>> http://code.google.com/p/route-me/ >>> >>> ... Though the focus is on the map view, not on making it a fully >>> fledged application for the store. >>> >>> -J >> >> Interesting... I have an iPod Touch, how do I install this? I've >> uncrippled it, and I can't find route-me on the installer.app... >> > Rory, I believe this is a "View" that can be added to an application > that is being created with the official SDK. So, on the one hand you > don't even need to unlock your phone to use it, but on the other you > either need to pay for the developer program or wait for someone to > develop an app with it and get it into the app store. > > I don't know if it would be possible to use this with an app for a > jailbroken phone. Its a view with a sample map app for testing. The app doesn't really do anything other than show the view. 'Homebrew' apps are written in the same way as official apps. They use all the same libraries and everything. It should be possible to build +install any app for the iphone if you have the source code and your iphone is jailbroken (or you have a developer key). -J > John > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted: Osm2pgsql.exe developer
Erik Johansson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Jukka Rahkonen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I would like to find somebody who believes he/she could make a new version of >> osm2pgsql Windows binaries. >> - user should be able to select the tags to be imported > > There is a file called default.style in the current version of > osm2pgsql that allows you to do that. The other two I'm not sure > about, API 0.6 should only add "uid=## changeset=###" to all > objects.and osm2pgsql should handle that. Jukka's message was a bit confused - he knows (judging by the trac ticket he filed) that the current svn code supports the features he asked about. What he really wants is just somebody to compile the current code for windows. Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted: Osm2pgsql.exe developer
I put some effort in a while ago to get osm2pgsql compiling under MinGW. It should be fairly easy to do now, providing you have the required dependencies. 2008/11/10 Jukka Rahkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > I would like to find somebody who believes he/she could make a new version of > osm2pgsql Windows binaries. New version should have a couple of addiotional > features compared to the existing one at > http://artem.dev.openstreetmap.org/files/ > > - support for giving PostGIS hostname, port, username and password > - user should be able to select the tags to be imported > - I guess it should support API 0.6 if it is to be used in the future, or? > > -Jukka Rahkonen- > jukka.rahkonen mmmtike.fi > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:42 PM, elvin ibbotson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I feel there is a need for a little > management - possibly even a committee or working party - with respect to > the basic data structure. I would suggest a little less freedom in the > matter of feature typing, with every feature having a specific type > represented in the dataset in much the same way as location. I'm pretty sure that would take some time defining everything and classifying everything. The wiki can be used to setup such a scheme, so please gather together some knights of class and give us a taxonomy to be proud of. I tag with highway=gate and barrier=gate! ha! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted: Osm2pgsql.exe developer
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Jukka Rahkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to find somebody who believes he/she could make a new version of > osm2pgsql Windows binaries. > - user should be able to select the tags to be imported There is a file called default.style in the current version of osm2pgsql that allows you to do that. The other two I'm not sure about, API 0.6 should only add "uid=## changeset=###" to all objects.and osm2pgsql should handle that. Sorry I can't help with cross compile to Windows. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap iPhone app
On 10 Nov 2008, at 14:14, Rory McCann wrote: > On 10/11/08 12:40, Joseph Gentle wrote: >> http://code.google.com/p/route-me/ >> >> ... Though the focus is on the map view, not on making it a fully >> fledged application for the store. >> >> -J > > Interesting... I have an iPod Touch, how do I install this? I've > uncrippled it, and I can't find route-me on the installer.app... > Rory, I believe this is a "View" that can be added to an application that is being created with the official SDK. So, on the one hand you don't even need to unlock your phone to use it, but on the other you either need to pay for the developer program or wait for someone to develop an app with it and get it into the app store. I don't know if it would be possible to use this with an app for a jailbroken phone. John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] shp2osm.pl error: dbf: file wrong size (should be 121308, but found 121307) at shp2osm.pl line 28
hallo list, I'm trying to convert a shape file into osm with the script shp2osm.pl (http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/shp2osm/shp2osm.pl) on Ubuntu 8.04 but I get the following error: perl shp2osm.pl roads4326.shp > roads4326.osm dbf: file wrong size (should be 121308, but found 121307) at shp2osm.pl line 28 Any suggestion? thanks, tommaso ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Wanted: Osm2pgsql.exe developer
Hi, I would like to find somebody who believes he/she could make a new version of osm2pgsql Windows binaries. New version should have a couple of addiotional features compared to the existing one at http://artem.dev.openstreetmap.org/files/ - support for giving PostGIS hostname, port, username and password - user should be able to select the tags to be imported - I guess it should support API 0.6 if it is to be used in the future, or? -Jukka Rahkonen- jukka.rahkonen mmmtike.fi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] UK Industrial Estate Roads
On 07/11/08 17:28, James Stewart wrote: > There has just been this discussion on the spanish list - and the > conclusion was to label these roads as 'residential', since they are > generally public roads with traffic similar to residential areas, rather > than roads between places which would be 'unclassified' or 'classified', > and are not really 'service' roads, which might apply to the roads > within a private industrial complex. > > James Residental should only be applied if people live on the road. Rory signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate
Dave Stubbs wrote: > On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Nic Roets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> According to the wiki redirects, barrier=gate is replacing highway=gate. >> According to tagwatch, the latter is 10 times more popular than the former. > > Yes, because the barrier=gate people decided it makes more sense. I'm > not sure a wiki redirect is the correct way of going about it... but > they're essentially the same thing. Obviously highway=gate has been > around much longer. Leaving aside barrier=gate vs. highway=gate, there was not a wiki page at Tag:highway=gate until the redirect was added. -Alex Mauer "hawke" signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Offline Copy?
Am Montag 10 November 2008 17:44:00 schrieb Shaun McDonald: > On 10 Nov 2008, at 16:31, sylvain letuffe wrote: > >> There are lots of attempts of making wikipedia offline, non of them > >> are simple solution, and they almost never have images. > > > > And what about just doing a basic and simple HTML copy ? > > ( if the goal is to be rendered loacaly with a borwser) > > > > Download httrack, get fun with parameters, get a local copy of the > > wiki > > without strugling it, and off you are ! > > That is effectively the same as using wget -r, which as Grant Slater > mentioned earlier in the thread, is something that we don't want > happening as it causes too much load on the server. > He wrote "get a local copy of the wiki". > Shaun Regards, Marc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about the license for the software that uses data derived from OSM's database
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 04:17:27PM +, Hugh Hulme wrote: > Hey guys, I've got some questions... > > Let's say I've taken the OSM data and turned it - using software I've > written - into Shapefiles so that I can pass that through another piece of > software to create data for my (commercial) application to use. > > The Shapefiles then inherit the same CC-BY-SA license, but do I have to > distribute them and/or make them available? Is it sufficient to inform my > customers that they may have the data under that license if they want it? Do > I even need to do that? The data at this point is only used within my > organisation. What about the data generated (Voronoid cells, junction map) > from the Shapefiles which is specifically formatted for the code I've > written to take advantage of that data? It's in the SQL Server database that > each customer has, so presumably I need to put a note somewhere to say > they're free to use it if they want to - but do I have to make it available > online somewhere? Presumably the code which reads from the database is > exempt because it's not part of the data - and the data, being in a SQL > Server database, is not an integral part of the software. (Indeed, the > software is perfectly capable of running without that data, or any data at > all.) 1. Data and software are completely separate. The license for one doesn't affect the other. 2. You are not required to publish anything. As long as you use the data in house, you can do whatever you want with it. Only IF you publish it, you have to tell people where it is from and give them the same rights/license you got, CC-BY-SA. Jochen -- Jochen Topf [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Offline Copy?
On 10 Nov 2008, at 16:31, sylvain letuffe wrote: There are lots of attempts of making wikipedia offline, non of them are simple solution, and they almost never have images. And what about just doing a basic and simple HTML copy ? ( if the goal is to be rendered loacaly with a borwser) Download httrack, get fun with parameters, get a local copy of the wiki without strugling it, and off you are ! That is effectively the same as using wget -r, which as Grant Slater mentioned earlier in the thread, is something that we don't want happening as it causes too much load on the server. Shaun smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about the license for the software that uses data derived from OSM's database
El Lunes, 10 de Noviembre de 2008, Hugh Hulme escribió: > Let's say I've taken the OSM data and turned it [...] into Shapefiles [...] > to create data for my (commercial) application to use. > > The Shapefiles then inherit the same CC-BY-SA license, but do I have to > distribute them and/or make them available? No. Distribution of the shapefiles is up to you. However, **if** you distribute the shapefiles, you have to do so according to the CC-by-sa license. > Is it sufficient to inform my customers that they may have the data under > that license if they want it? Do I even need to do that? If you are distributing the data to your clients, then the answer is "yes". > I need to put a note somewhere to say they're free to use it if they want > to ... yes ... > - but do I have to make it available online somewhere? No. The CC-by-sa license tells you *how* you must redistribute things, **if** you choose to redistribute them. You are not required to forcefully redistribute stuff. The details about how the upcoming ODbL license will stand up against these use case are still not clear. Expect the same general stuff: you should not be forcefully made to publish anything, but if you use data from a ODbL-covered DB, you have to allow access to the derivative DB. Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Proudly running Debian Linux with 2.6.26-1-amd64 kernel, KDE 3.5.9, and PHP 5.2.6-5 generating this signature. Uptime: 17:29:59 up 81 days, 6:25, 4 users, load average: 0.38, 0.47, 0.52 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Offline Copy?
> There are lots of attempts of making wikipedia offline, non of them > are simple solution, and they almost never have images. And what about just doing a basic and simple HTML copy ? ( if the goal is to be rendered loacaly with a borwser) Download httrack, get fun with parameters, get a local copy of the wiki without strugling it, and off you are ! -- Sylvain Letuffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] qui suis-je : http://slyserv.dyndns.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Creation of a user box in wikipedia user profiles
El Lunes, 10 de Noviembre de 2008, Mieg Tenk escribió:
> Hello,
>
> For this creation, is it possible that OpenStreetMap put his official logo
> on Wikimedia Commons ?
{{User:Ksbrown/User OSM}}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ksbrown/User_OSM
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Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Offline Copy?
Hi! Roeland Douma wrote: > I think putting a wiki on a CD is not a smart idea at all. Some >reformatting will have to be done. Else a lot of links won't work >(just take the login stuff). I'm open for any input on smarter ideas ;-) Is there a nice way for transforming a wiki dump to let's say a huge PDF ? Maybe using LaTeX ? It's about making the information, especially about tagging and mapping available in a comprehensive way for dial up users. I think the would guess, that they cannot login ;-) But of course, a reformating would be good. Bad "ugly" information (a CD were you get an error when clicking the Login button) is better than no information at all.. Alex ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Question about the license for the software that uses data derived from OSM's database
Hey guys, I've got some questions... Let's say I've taken the OSM data and turned it - using software I've written - into Shapefiles so that I can pass that through another piece of software to create data for my (commercial) application to use. The Shapefiles then inherit the same CC-BY-SA license, but do I have to distribute them and/or make them available? Is it sufficient to inform my customers that they may have the data under that license if they want it? Do I even need to do that? The data at this point is only used within my organisation. What about the data generated (Voronoid cells, junction map) from the Shapefiles which is specifically formatted for the code I've written to take advantage of that data? It's in the SQL Server database that each customer has, so presumably I need to put a note somewhere to say they're free to use it if they want to - but do I have to make it available online somewhere? Presumably the code which reads from the database is exempt because it's not part of the data - and the data, being in a SQL Server database, is not an integral part of the software. (Indeed, the software is perfectly capable of running without that data, or any data at all.) Thanks, - Hugh ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Offline Copy?
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Alexander Menk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > Roeland Douma wrote: > > I think putting a wiki on a CD is not a smart idea at all. Some > >reformatting will have to be done. Else a lot of links won't work > >(just take the login stuff). > > I'm open for any input on smarter ideas ;-) > Is there a nice way for transforming a wiki dump to let's say a huge PDF > ? Maybe using LaTeX ? > > It's about making the information, especially about tagging and mapping > available in a comprehensive way for dial up users. I think the would > guess, that they cannot login ;-) > But of course, a reformating would be good. Bad "ugly" information (a CD > were you get an error when clicking the Login button) is better than no > information at all.. http://users.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/~ttsiod/buildWikipediaOffline.html There are lots of attempts of making wikipedia offline, non of them are simple solution, and they almost never have images. -- /emj ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Offline Copy?
I think putting a wiki on a CD is not a smart idea at all. Some reformatting
will have to be done. Else a lot of links won't work (just take the login
stuff).
But good to hear we might get a dump every X days soon :)
--Roeland
On Monday 10 November 2008 16:20:57 Alexander Menk wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Grant Slater wrote:
> >> maybe a good intermediate solution would be to provide zipped "wget -r"
> >> copies of the wiki? Of course not everybody shall do "wget -r
> >> wiki.openstreetmap.org" because this would cause to much load, but I
> >> could offer some webspace and do weekly snapshots or s.th. like this?
> >>
> >
> > Dude! No no no.
> sorry, did not want to scare you - I just asked...
>
> > ~23100 pages x multiple page views x all history x special page links =
> > big scary number. Do not do it.
> I would have excluded the same stuff that is excluded in the robots.txt
> (history, special pages etc.)
>
> > Bots are causing most of the load problems on the wiki, do not start
> > another one.
> "but I want the bot ... ;-(" (Over the hedge / Hammy - "but I want the
> cookie")
>
> >> Unfortunately wget is excluded by robots.txt, that's why I ask before I
> >> do so..
> >>
> >
> > Yes, wget is blocked for good reason. Wikipedia blocks it too.
> >
> > The server which runs the wiki will be upgraded soon. If the community
> > then agrees, we could setup a weekly data dump. Something like:
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps
>
> [x] agree
>
> Unfortunately a data dump is not as handy as a ZIP file with many HTML
> files you can just pass around on some CDs to people with modems who are
> interested in OSM. But with the Data Dump I could set up a mediawiki on
> my own and do the wget there .. of course. But it's not very trivial to
> do so, especially including all the images.
>
> That's why I came up with the wget suggestion. Of course only ONE should
> do such a wget during a timeframe with a low load on the wiki (but I
> guess such a timeframe is just not existing...)
>
> Alex
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Offline Copy?
Hi!
Grant Slater wrote:
>> maybe a good intermediate solution would be to provide zipped "wget -r"
>> copies of the wiki? Of course not everybody shall do "wget -r
>> wiki.openstreetmap.org" because this would cause to much load, but I
>> could offer some webspace and do weekly snapshots or s.th. like this?
>>
>
> Dude! No no no.
sorry, did not want to scare you - I just asked...
> ~23100 pages x multiple page views x all history x special page links =
> big scary number. Do not do it.
I would have excluded the same stuff that is excluded in the robots.txt
(history, special pages etc.)
> Bots are causing most of the load problems on the wiki, do not start
> another one.
"but I want the bot ... ;-(" (Over the hedge / Hammy - "but I want the
cookie")
>> Unfortunately wget is excluded by robots.txt, that's why I ask before I
>> do so..
>>
>
> Yes, wget is blocked for good reason. Wikipedia blocks it too.
>
> The server which runs the wiki will be upgraded soon. If the community
> then agrees, we could setup a weekly data dump. Something like:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps
[x] agree
Unfortunately a data dump is not as handy as a ZIP file with many HTML
files you can just pass around on some CDs to people with modems who are
interested in OSM. But with the Data Dump I could set up a mediawiki on
my own and do the wget there .. of course. But it's not very trivial to
do so, especially including all the images.
That's why I came up with the wget suggestion. Of course only ONE should
do such a wget during a timeframe with a low load on the wiki (but I
guess such a timeframe is just not existing...)
Alex
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Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Offline Copy?
Alexander Menk wrote: > Hi! > > maybe a good intermediate solution would be to provide zipped "wget -r" > copies of the wiki? Of course not everybody shall do "wget -r > wiki.openstreetmap.org" because this would cause to much load, but I > could offer some webspace and do weekly snapshots or s.th. like this? > Dude! No no no. ~23100 pages x multiple page views x all history x special page links = big scary number. Do not do it. Bots are causing most of the load problems on the wiki, do not start another one. > Unfortunately wget is excluded by robots.txt, that's why I ask before I > do so.. > Yes, wget is blocked for good reason. Wikipedia blocks it too. The server which runs the wiki will be upgraded soon. If the community then agrees, we could setup a weekly data dump. Something like: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Offline Copy?
Hi! maybe a good intermediate solution would be to provide zipped "wget -r" copies of the wiki? Of course not everybody shall do "wget -r wiki.openstreetmap.org" because this would cause to much load, but I could offer some webspace and do weekly snapshots or s.th. like this? Unfortunately wget is excluded by robots.txt, that's why I ask before I do so.. Alex Roeland Douma wrote: > I would like this as well. A daily dump or something would be great to > provide > a read-only mirror. > > --Roeland > > On Sunday 09 November 2008 12:44:43 Alexander Menk wrote: >> Hi! >> >> is it possible to download a dump of the openstreetmap wiki (media wiki >> tables and pictures, if possible) for offline use? >> >> I think this would be good for countries with poor internet connection.. >> >> Thanks to JOSM, mapping already can be done offline - but then the >> important info from the Wiki is missing ;-( >> ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap iPhone app
On 10/11/08 12:40, Joseph Gentle wrote: > http://code.google.com/p/route-me/ > > ... Though the focus is on the map view, not on making it a fully > fledged application for the store. > > -J Interesting... I have an iPod Touch, how do I install this? I've uncrippled it, and I can't find route-me on the installer.app... Rory signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap iPhone app
John McKerrell schrieb: > On 10 Nov 2008, at 13:08, Joseph Gentle wrote: > > >> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:01 AM, John07 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> I think editing on this small screen with (maybe) bad latency... >>> will not be >>> easy and efficient. I think Openstreetbugs is better for this. You >>> can >>> include it into your app like the josm-plugin does. With >>> Openstreetbugs you >>> don´t have to know the osm-tagging-schema and you can just add >>> quickly >>> notes. >>> >>> When you`re releasing the app, create a osm-wikipage (or i will do >>> it ;-) ) >>> and i´m sure you will get a lot of feedback and proposals for >>> improving the >>> app. >>> >>> Jonas >>> >>> >> I'm starting a new job in a couple weeks and I don't have time. I'll >> help anyone who wants to make this happen and push it to the app store >> when its done, but I'll need another developer to carry the flame. >> >> > > I just yesterday submitted my first app to the app store (or maybe I > didn't, I forget if the NDA allows me to say). It's a simple thing > that lets you submit a postcode to freethepostcode.org for the current > location as reported by the on-board GPS. > > I've also managed to "port" the routing engine from gosmore to the > iPhone and successfully generated a (relatively short) route on my > phone. I'm quite interested in taking this further and also perhaps > doing some sort of OSM viewing/editing app. I'm not sure when I'll get > time to work on this but I'm hoping over the next week I might get > around to adding some features to the routing app. Currently it just > generates a route between two hardcoded locations and that's all so > obviously there's work to be done there. > > John > Routing as a further step would be great. I think this page is good for putting information and ideas together: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/IPhone Please write down your ideas and write something about your current development. If it is a lot of text we should generate sub-pages like: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/IPhone/route-me Jonas P.S. forgot to send to the list :-( ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap iPhone app
Joseph Gentle schrieb: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:41 PM, John07 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Joe Richards schrieb: >> >>> Anyone who has played with an iPhone will have seen the Google maps >>> application, which provides much of the functionality of the Javascript web >>> app, while giving quite a good tactile feel It also uses wireless >>> triangulation - or if available, GPS - to show search results for things >>> that are near you. >>> >>> Is there any project to create a similar application for the iPhone that >>> uses OSM maps and data sources? I think it would be an excellent way to >>> introduce OSM to people who have never seen it... I would imagine the >>> existing functionality of the Google Maps application, plus maybe the >>> ability to do some small-scale editing such as adding nodes for things like >>> amenities while you're out and about... >>> >>> >> I think Openstreetbugs would be better for this. >> >>> Searching for existing apps showed me that some people have stuffed some >>> openstreetmap tiles into the GMap application on the iPhone (basically a >>> hack, replacing the cached tiles) - but that isn't the same as having >>> global coverage, and making the app available via the AppStore (or iTunes) >>> would present a huge new audience. >>> >>> >>> >> I thought of the same thing many times in the past. Such a app would be >> very cool. >> There are also the some webapps for a slippy map, but the usability >> isn´t that good. >> For ipod touch users like me a big cache would be very nice or a direct >> posibility to store some tiles for offline use. In the 2.0 version of >> the app maybe the developer could integrated some more osm-features like >> poi search or pedestrian routing. But rather start with only displaying >> maps and then integrate more and more. >> >> So, is there any iphone developer out there? I´m sure the osm foundation >> would sponsor the apple registration fee so that the app could be >> available for free. Or maybe cloudmade could develope an app. It would >> give osm a lot of publicity. >> > > *waves* > > I mentioned route-me because its my baby. Its a solid tile rendering > engine. The maps work fine, we have on-'disk' caching support for > tiles. Performance is similar to the built-in map app. There are a > couple annoying bugs which are being squashed. Marker support is > getting there. > > If anyone is interested in wrapping an app around it and adding GPS > support & search I'll happily push it out to the app store (I have a > dev license). Other useful features to add include: > - Geotracing support > - Editing > - Routing > > -J > > > I think editing on this small screen with (maybe) bad latency... will not be easy and efficient. I think Openstreetbugs is better for this. You can include it into your app like the josm-plugin does. With Openstreetbugs you don´t have to know the osm-tagging-schema and you can just add quickly notes. When you`re releasing the app, create a osm-wikipage (or i will do it ;-) ) and i´m sure you will get a lot of feedback and proposals for improving the app. Jonas P.S.forgot to send to the list ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate
elvin ibbotson wrote: > I once tried tagging a local river as a railway line. Nothing > prevented me doing this. In the database it was (until I went back in > and fixed it) a river AND > a railway! That's not too outlandish. No railways here, but lots of roads: http://www.wetroads.co.uk/long.htm (a fascinating site...) > authors of editors and renderers would probably welcome a stint of > intensive re-writing cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap iPhone app
On 10 Nov 2008, at 13:08, Joseph Gentle wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:01 AM, John07 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> I think editing on this small screen with (maybe) bad latency... >> will not be >> easy and efficient. I think Openstreetbugs is better for this. You >> can >> include it into your app like the josm-plugin does. With >> Openstreetbugs you >> don´t have to know the osm-tagging-schema and you can just add >> quickly >> notes. >> >> When you`re releasing the app, create a osm-wikipage (or i will do >> it ;-) ) >> and i´m sure you will get a lot of feedback and proposals for >> improving the >> app. >> >> Jonas >> > > I'm starting a new job in a couple weeks and I don't have time. I'll > help anyone who wants to make this happen and push it to the app store > when its done, but I'll need another developer to carry the flame. > I just yesterday submitted my first app to the app store (or maybe I didn't, I forget if the NDA allows me to say). It's a simple thing that lets you submit a postcode to freethepostcode.org for the current location as reported by the on-board GPS. I've also managed to "port" the routing engine from gosmore to the iPhone and successfully generated a (relatively short) route on my phone. I'm quite interested in taking this further and also perhaps doing some sort of OSM viewing/editing app. I'm not sure when I'll get time to work on this but I'm hoping over the next week I might get around to adding some features to the routing app. Currently it just generates a route between two hardcoded locations and that's all so obviously there's work to be done there. John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate
Nic Roets wrote "The problem is that OSM has a lot of "momentum" (users remembering tags, tags being hardcoded into all kinds of software, hundreds of wikipages etc). So changing tags should not be done lightly." This is perhaps the only one of dozens of recent comments concerning tagging that is difficult to disagree with. There were dozens of postings on the subjects of footway versus path or cars on tracks, now it is gates and service roads that are exciting people' minds. I believe the fact that tagging queries and arguments are the cause of at least 50% of talk traffic points to at least one underlying weakness in OSM (Steve, Andy and others who were involved with devising it please look away now): All map features have certain things in common - they all have a geographical location (or point to nodes with locations), a time, and an author. These properties are intrinsic to the database. They have one more thing in common: they all represent something real in the world. A node might represent a pub or a post box. A way might represent a motorway or a state boundary. This 'type' property is, in my mind more fundamental than all the other attributes we can add using tags - access restrictions, opening times, ownership,... Not only are types fundamental but a feature can really have only one type. A post box may be built into the wall of a pub and the two share the same geographical location, but the pub is not a post box and the post box is not a pub. This leads me into a little side- street here: I understand the data treats a POI as a node with tags, so a pub is a node with the amenity=pub tag. So in my example two nodes would be needed at the same location. I'm not sure if this is allowed, but it is clearly inefficient. It would be better for POI features to simply point to a node. The POI would have the type (rather like a way with just one node) while the node would have a location but no type. In my example there would be two POI features pointing to the same node. Back to the main road, now... I once tried tagging a local river as a railway line. Nothing prevented me doing this. In the database it was (until I went back in and fixed it) a river AND a railway! What appeared on the map was then down to the coding of the renderer which could choose to show it as one or the other, or both, superimposed. It may be possible for a railway to run immediately alongside a river, but the two should obviously be separate features. They might point to the same nodes but they must be discrete ways. Since all features should have one and only one type, I think this should be reflected in the data, just as locations are. Imagine if latitude and longitude were simply tags. We would have endless arguments about whether to tag as longitude=-12.5, easting=-12.5, lon=W12.5, long=W12d30m00s,... It my be anathema to some, but I feel there is a need for a little management - possibly even a committee or working party - with respect to the basic data structure. I would suggest a little less freedom in the matter of feature typing, with every feature having a specific type represented in the dataset in much the same way as location. Logically the menu of feature types would be derived from those in widespread use but with a little more order and a little less variety than at present. Those writing renderers would no longer have to decide which tags to render or need to cater for landuse=forest as well as natural=wood. Those writing editors would be able to build proper menus based on universally-used types complete with guidance on their application. People could still add any tags they liked, but the special feature type attribute would have to be approved in a more structured manner than a few votes on the wiki. If such a radical approach were adopted, changing the dataset would be the easy bit, and authors of editors and renderers would probably welcome a stint of intensive re-writing if it saved hours of work in the future. The real hurdle is in getting some sort of agreement within the OSM community. I know I for one would be far more inclined to devote time to collecting and adding data and even to getting involved in the software/data engineering aspects of OSM if I did not believe its foundations were unstable. But if it continues to grow without training or pruning (note the clever metaphor switch there) I worry it could become a garden overgrown with brambles - full of good things impossible to harvest. elvin ibbotson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap iPhone app
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:01 AM, John07 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think editing on this small screen with (maybe) bad latency... will not be > easy and efficient. I think Openstreetbugs is better for this. You can > include it into your app like the josm-plugin does. With Openstreetbugs you > don´t have to know the osm-tagging-schema and you can just add quickly > notes. > > When you`re releasing the app, create a osm-wikipage (or i will do it ;-) ) > and i´m sure you will get a lot of feedback and proposals for improving the > app. > > Jonas > I'm starting a new job in a couple weeks and I don't have time. I'll help anyone who wants to make this happen and push it to the app store when its done, but I'll need another developer to carry the flame. -J ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap iPhone app
Joe Richards yahoo.com> writes: > Is there any project to create a similar application for the iPhone that uses OSM maps and data sources? I > think it would be an excellent way to introduce OSM to people who have never seen it... I would imagine the > existing functionality of the Google Maps application, plus maybe the ability to do some small-scale > editing such as adding nodes for things like amenities while you're out and about... I saw quite a nice iPhone prototype application in an annual GIS conference in Finland couple of months ago. It used OpenStreetMap data as a background map and POIs from a commercial source on top of that. They used 128x128 pixel sized tiles if I remember it right. Then there were tools for searching features, mostly amenities, and user could get more info by touching features with finger. Pretty cool. The big company who owns the POIs was a bit suspicious because POIs are partly collected from people sending those through web application. I guess that the company would like to do the same with mobile client, but with OSM background new POIs could be considered to be derived from OSM data and thus they should be SA-licensed as well and that's not what the company is going to do. So it may well be that just this application never comes true. But as I said, it was cool. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap iPhone app
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:41 PM, John07 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joe Richards schrieb: >> Anyone who has played with an iPhone will have seen the Google maps >> application, which provides much of the functionality of the Javascript web >> app, while giving quite a good tactile feel It also uses wireless >> triangulation - or if available, GPS - to show search results for things >> that are near you. >> >> Is there any project to create a similar application for the iPhone that >> uses OSM maps and data sources? I think it would be an excellent way to >> introduce OSM to people who have never seen it... I would imagine the >> existing functionality of the Google Maps application, plus maybe the >> ability to do some small-scale editing such as adding nodes for things like >> amenities while you're out and about... >> > I think Openstreetbugs would be better for this. >> Searching for existing apps showed me that some people have stuffed some >> openstreetmap tiles into the GMap application on the iPhone (basically a >> hack, replacing the cached tiles) - but that isn't the same as having global >> coverage, and making the app available via the AppStore (or iTunes) would >> present a huge new audience. >> >> > I thought of the same thing many times in the past. Such a app would be > very cool. > There are also the some webapps for a slippy map, but the usability > isn´t that good. > For ipod touch users like me a big cache would be very nice or a direct > posibility to store some tiles for offline use. In the 2.0 version of > the app maybe the developer could integrated some more osm-features like > poi search or pedestrian routing. But rather start with only displaying > maps and then integrate more and more. > > So, is there any iphone developer out there? I´m sure the osm foundation > would sponsor the apple registration fee so that the app could be > available for free. Or maybe cloudmade could develope an app. It would > give osm a lot of publicity. *waves* I mentioned route-me because its my baby. Its a solid tile rendering engine. The maps work fine, we have on-'disk' caching support for tiles. Performance is similar to the built-in map app. There are a couple annoying bugs which are being squashed. Marker support is getting there. If anyone is interested in wrapping an app around it and adding GPS support & search I'll happily push it out to the app store (I have a dev license). Other useful features to add include: - Geotracing support - Editing - Routing -J > Jonas > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap iPhone app
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Joe Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone who has played with an iPhone will have seen the Google maps > application, which provides much of the functionality of the Javascript web > app, while giving quite a good tactile feel It also uses wireless > triangulation - or if available, GPS - to show search results for things that > are near you. > > Is there any project to create a similar application for the iPhone that uses > OSM maps and data sources? I think it would be an excellent way to introduce > OSM to people who have never seen it... I would imagine the existing > functionality of the Google Maps application, plus maybe the ability to do > some small-scale editing such as adding nodes for things like amenities while > you're out and about... > > Searching for existing apps showed me that some people have stuffed some > openstreetmap tiles into the GMap application on the iPhone (basically a > hack, replacing the cached tiles) - but that isn't the same as having global > coverage, and making the app available via the AppStore (or iTunes) would > present a huge new audience. > This is all hoping that Apple deem you worthy of course, and that they don't see it as a threat to a built-in income stream. Dave-the-eternally-suspicious-of-engineered-monopolies ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap iPhone app
Joe Richards schrieb: > Anyone who has played with an iPhone will have seen the Google maps > application, which provides much of the functionality of the Javascript web > app, while giving quite a good tactile feel It also uses wireless > triangulation - or if available, GPS - to show search results for things that > are near you. > > Is there any project to create a similar application for the iPhone that uses > OSM maps and data sources? I think it would be an excellent way to introduce > OSM to people who have never seen it... I would imagine the existing > functionality of the Google Maps application, plus maybe the ability to do > some small-scale editing such as adding nodes for things like amenities while > you're out and about... > I think Openstreetbugs would be better for this. > Searching for existing apps showed me that some people have stuffed some > openstreetmap tiles into the GMap application on the iPhone (basically a > hack, replacing the cached tiles) - but that isn't the same as having global > coverage, and making the app available via the AppStore (or iTunes) would > present a huge new audience. > > I thought of the same thing many times in the past. Such a app would be very cool. There are also the some webapps for a slippy map, but the usability isn´t that good. For ipod touch users like me a big cache would be very nice or a direct posibility to store some tiles for offline use. In the 2.0 version of the app maybe the developer could integrated some more osm-features like poi search or pedestrian routing. But rather start with only displaying maps and then integrate more and more. So, is there any iphone developer out there? I´m sure the osm foundation would sponsor the apple registration fee so that the app could be available for free. Or maybe cloudmade could develope an app. It would give osm a lot of publicity. Jonas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap iPhone app
http://code.google.com/p/route-me/ ... Though the focus is on the map view, not on making it a fully fledged application for the store. -J On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Joe Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone who has played with an iPhone will have seen the Google maps > application, which provides much of the functionality of the Javascript web > app, while giving quite a good tactile feel It also uses wireless > triangulation - or if available, GPS - to show search results for things that > are near you. > > Is there any project to create a similar application for the iPhone that uses > OSM maps and data sources? I think it would be an excellent way to introduce > OSM to people who have never seen it... I would imagine the existing > functionality of the Google Maps application, plus maybe the ability to do > some small-scale editing such as adding nodes for things like amenities while > you're out and about... > > Searching for existing apps showed me that some people have stuffed some > openstreetmap tiles into the GMap application on the iPhone (basically a > hack, replacing the cached tiles) - but that isn't the same as having global > coverage, and making the app available via the AppStore (or iTunes) would > present a huge new audience. > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate
David Earl escribió: > On 10/11/2008 11:18, Marc Schütz wrote: > >>> Gerald A wrote: >>> Renderers should be following the project. If the community decides one tag over the other, or both, or even neither, the renders will catch up eventually. >>> But the community has decided with a vote of 1:10 to use >>> highway=barrier rather than barrier=gate. >>> >> It has not. There may be ten times more highway=gate in the DB than >> barrier=gate, but what percentage of the community that is aware of >> the new tags actually prefers the old tags when adding new objects? >> You'd have to watch the relative frequency of the two tags over time >> to see, which one is growing, and therefore, on which the community >> has decided. >> yep that´s the real vote and, yes, higway=gate has 17000 uses and barrier=gate has 1400 in europe but barrier=gate is been there for just 2 weeks. > > It's a chicken and egg though. I really don't care what what the words I > have to type to get a gate are, but if the renderers don't support the > new tag I'll be inclined to carry on using the old one (since there is > no advantage in using the new one, and the old one is built in to my > fingers). Indeed, if the renderers don't actually drop support for the > old one, I can't see any particular reason to change - the new tag > doesn't do anything extra, it's just a self-selected group of people's > preference for one word instead of another. > > is just a matter of concept, a gate is a highway or a barrier? and a matter of tag organization. but the answer is up to each of us. the use you choose will be that real vote > And so long as I or others continue to use the old one, what incentive > is there for the renderers to switch? > > David > > osmrender does support "barrier=gate". > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate
Dave wrote: > If everybody starts using barrier=gate ultimately happy that > it's much > better than highway=gate, then at some point the renderers will > follow. I've just checked the Osmarender stylesheet for z17 and it contains: So your open, locked or other gate will currently render the same whether you use barrier=gate or highway=gate in the Osmarender layer already (presuming all the clients have been updated since the change was made). Ed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Openstreetmap iPhone app
Anyone who has played with an iPhone will have seen the Google maps application, which provides much of the functionality of the Javascript web app, while giving quite a good tactile feel It also uses wireless triangulation - or if available, GPS - to show search results for things that are near you. Is there any project to create a similar application for the iPhone that uses OSM maps and data sources? I think it would be an excellent way to introduce OSM to people who have never seen it... I would imagine the existing functionality of the Google Maps application, plus maybe the ability to do some small-scale editing such as adding nodes for things like amenities while you're out and about... Searching for existing apps showed me that some people have stuffed some openstreetmap tiles into the GMap application on the iPhone (basically a hack, replacing the cached tiles) - but that isn't the same as having global coverage, and making the app available via the AppStore (or iTunes) would present a huge new audience. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 5:47 AM, Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Dave Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 2:24 AM, Dave Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Nic Roets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > According to the wiki redirects, barrier=gate is replacing >> >> > highway=gate. >> >> > According to tagwatch, the latter is 10 times more popular than the >> >> > former. >> >> >> >> Yes, because the barrier=gate people decided it makes more sense. I'm >> >> not sure a wiki redirect is the correct way of going about it... but >> >> they're essentially the same thing. Obviously highway=gate has been >> >> around much longer. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Is the community OK with this ? >> >> >> >> Meh. >> >> >> >> > If yes, why aren't we running a bot to perform the changes ? >> >> >> >> Because that would imply the One True Way is to tag gates with >> >> barrier=gate. Because it would break every existing gate out there >> >> relying on a "legacy" renderer. To get 1/10th already suggest to me >> >> shenanigans though. >> >> It's not completely impossible to have two tags for the same thing you >> >> know. Just leave it be. >> >> >> >> Dave >> > >> > This is one of the major problems with the OSM community. Someone >> > proposes >> > or just starts using a particular tagging scheme which has some flaws. >> > When >> > those flaws are pointed out, the OSM pragmatists just say "Oh, we can >> > always >> > change it later. It's a Wiki, after all." But the truth is, you can't >> > change >> > it, because when someone does come up with an alternative tagging scheme >> > (like barrier= or path= or crossing=) that shows some merit over the >> > original, those same pragmatists come back and say "What!? That tag is >> > wrong/invalid/stupid because the database already has ten thousand >> > entries >> > of X. And besides, you'll break everything!" >> > >> >> There's a difference between coming up with a new tagging scheme, and >> changing every existing instance in the database. >> Note that I haven't actually at any point said that you shouldn't use >> barrier=gate. I've actually used it a few times myself, and it's not >> destructive on highway=gate. With path and crossing the proposals are >> somewhat incompatible with what was there already, and the merit in >> not making it compatible wasn't ever obvious. >> >> But there's an expectation here (or more lack of one): I know that if >> I use barrier=gate it's not going to get rendered on a lot of stuff. >> Fine, my choice, when enough data collects someone will probably patch >> the renderer. >> >> On the otherhand if I bot change everything immediately, I'm doing two >> things: I'm forcing everyone to do what *I* say, and also I'm making >> damn sure that gates won't be rendered. As a render author I have two >> choices... patch my renderer, or accuse you of blatent vandalism and >> revert your bot... which probably isn't somewhere we want to go. >> >> Dave > > My point is it's disingenuous to say "There is no right or wrong or > recommended tags" on one hand, and then say "Don't change X, you'll break > everything." > While the words "there is no right or wrong or recommended tags" may have at some point been said, I think you have to take them out of context to make them disingenuous with "don't change it, stop breaking things". There's no one source determining right/wrong/recommended, but that's not to say there isn't a right/wrong/recommended for some particular task. To say map features isn't a tag recommendation page would be a bit like sticking your head in the sand and singing la-la-la-la. And to say there isn't a right and a wrong way to tag something to make it show up on the cycle map for instance, is also quite clearly wrong. The cycle map has it's own recommended tags page too. And just to add to that, I think everybody will agree that tagging, say, your local beach with highway=motorway is *wrong* for pretty much any sane interpretation. It's all about whether you have the right to enforce your view of right/wrong/recommended through the use of a bot, or knowingly recommending something which will be incompatible with previously well used tags. To go back to your original e-mail, "Oh, we can always change it later. It's a Wiki, after all.", implies to me that I agree you're making it better. If everybody starts using barrier=gate ultimately happy that it's much better than highway=gate, then at some point the renderers will follow. If you start just throwing nuclear warheads at particular tags then you just piss people off. Especially all the people who are still quite happy to continue using highway=gate. Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Creation of a user box in wikipedia user profiles
Hello, For this creation, is it possible that OpenStreetMap put his official logo on Wikimedia Commons ? Thx and CU Mieg ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate
On 10/11/2008 11:18, Marc Schütz wrote: >> Gerald A wrote: >>> Renderers should be following the project. If the community >>> decides one tag over the other, or both, or even neither, the >>> renders will catch up eventually. >> But the community has decided with a vote of 1:10 to use >> highway=barrier rather than barrier=gate. > > It has not. There may be ten times more highway=gate in the DB than > barrier=gate, but what percentage of the community that is aware of > the new tags actually prefers the old tags when adding new objects? > You'd have to watch the relative frequency of the two tags over time > to see, which one is growing, and therefore, on which the community > has decided. It's a chicken and egg though. I really don't care what what the words I have to type to get a gate are, but if the renderers don't support the new tag I'll be inclined to carry on using the old one (since there is no advantage in using the new one, and the old one is built in to my fingers). Indeed, if the renderers don't actually drop support for the old one, I can't see any particular reason to change - the new tag doesn't do anything extra, it's just a self-selected group of people's preference for one word instead of another. And so long as I or others continue to use the old one, what incentive is there for the renderers to switch? David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Markers on the slippy map
Gervase Markham wrote: > Shaun McDonald wrote: >> Just go to the osmarender layer (or whichever layer you want), hit >> permalink, then with the url that you get change the lat to mlat and lon >> to mlon. > > I'm confused. The layers parameter doesn't define which layer is shown? It does - the problem with your original URL is probably that the layer ordering has changed since the wiki page was written and your layer configuration was therefore incorrect and was turning off the marker layer. Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Markers on the slippy map
Gervase Markham wrote: > Ulf Lamping wrote: >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.64685&mlon=-0.14641&zoom=15 > But then how would you get a marker on the Osmarender layer? Cutting the stuff out of the export tab thing, I get: http://www.openstreetmap.org/export/embed.html?bbox=8.60015,47.38736,8.6241,47.4041&layer=osmarender&marker=47.39622,8.61168 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate
> Gerald A wrote: > > Renderers should be following the project. If the community decides one > > tag over the other, or both, or even neither, the renders will catch up > > eventually. > > But the community has decided with a vote of 1:10 to use highway=barrier > rather than barrier=gate. It has not. There may be ten times more highway=gate in the DB than barrier=gate, but what percentage of the community that is aware of the new tags actually prefers the old tags when adding new objects? You'd have to watch the relative frequency of the two tags over time to see, which one is growing, and therefore, on which the community has decided. Regards, Marc -- GMX Download-Spiele: Preizsturz! Alle Puzzle-Spiele Deluxe über 60% billiger. http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/download/puzzle/index.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate
Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Isn't the point of a gate that you can open it? > > i.e. traffic is allowed through, but for routing purposes there's a > time penalty. > > Certainly there are oodles of "gated roads" in rural Britain where > this applies - there's one on my stretch of NCN. :) > There's quite a few round my area on residential streets designed to let the emergency services pass, but permanently closed otherwise. I've just mapped them as 'highway=gate' for now, thinking of them as physical objects.. I hope any change to 'barrier=gate' doesn't automatically imply additional semantics. Graham ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate
Gerald A wrote: > Renderers should be following the project. If the community decides one > tag over the other, or both, or even neither, the renders will catch up > eventually. But the community has decided with a vote of 1:10 to use highway=barrier rather than barrier=gate. Besides, renderers are mostly external projects done by a few individuals. I don't think we can prescribe what they *should* be doing. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
