Hi,
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Don't forget we have _expressly_ asked Google, in the form of Ed
> Parsons at SOTM, and he has _expressly_ said, sorry, no, we don't have those
> rights to give away.
Of course Russ's argument is that you do not have to be given those
rights, by Ed Parsons or his u
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 08:45:26PM +0100, Emilie Laffray wrote:
> I was actually thinking about anything that carries a name.
> In the example you have given me, you have partially answer the question
> that I was asking: name is expressed in the local language. If you want
> to add translation, yo
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 11:59:51PM +0200, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> El Martes, 5 de Mayo de 2009, Russ Nelson escribió:
> > On May 5, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> > > We have the sweat-of-the-brow doctrine instead.
> >
> > Fine enough, and who sweated hardest to click in a partic
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:14:30PM +0200, andrzej zaborowski wrote:
> Some notes:
> There's already the wikipedia=NAME tag (wikipedia=LA:NAME for
> non-english wikipedias, where LA=en,de...) in use in some places, so
> I'd recommend using that.
Shouldn't that be
wikipedia:LA=NAME
?
Jochen
-
> available to OSM editors. One way to do that is to have a second API
> which consists of a cached copy of everything that map renderers might
> use, all merged into one read-only OSM-compatible api. So when
> somebody asks to edit an area, the editor also shows them the read-
> only elements, s
this will create many duplicates. You will need to do some checking
before a poi is added. so many mass imports are done cleanup is a lot
of work.
checking should be done against points, ways, polygons. in osm tags
are somtimes on building polugon or on a point. If we have both the
map is t
Russ Nelson wrote:
> What work or creativity did Google do towards the existence of
> that particular point?
Google's imagery suppliers collected and rectified the imagery. "For over a
hundred years, English courts have held that a significant expenditure of
labour is sufficient" - that's, er, W
Russ Nelson wrote the following on 06/05/2009 14:29:
> On May 5, 2009, at 5:47 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>
>> Russ Nelson wrote:
>>
>>> Fine enough, and who sweated hardest to click in a particular point
>>> on a Google Map? Google? Or the Wikipedia editor[...]?
>>>
>> Sweat-of
On May 5, 2009, at 5:59 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
>
>>> We don't push the legal envelope.
>>
>> Bullshit. Sorry, but it's bullshit. Okay, so I have a railroad
>> map [...]
>> All you can do is close your eyes, let me import it, and hope that
>> I'm not
>> infringing some railroad mappin
On May 5, 2009, at 5:47 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>
> Russ Nelson wrote:
>> Fine enough, and who sweated hardest to click in a particular point
>> on a Google Map? Google? Or the Wikipedia editor[...]?
>
> Sweat-of-the-brow doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean that "A did
> some work,
> but
Russ Nelson wrote:
> Any reason not to go through Wikipedia and import everything with a
> coordinate as a POI, with a url=http://wikipedia.org/NAME link, and
> name=NAME where NAME is the name of the Wikipedia entry? If I do this
> under a special username, then there is no problem backing
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Adam Schreiber wrote:
>> We don't know where the wikipedia users sourced their cooridinates from.
>
> Oh yes we do: Google Maps.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Obtaining_geographic_coordinates#Google_tools
>
> There is absolutely no way that Wikipedia-deriv
El Martes, 5 de Mayo de 2009, Russ Nelson escribió:
> On May 5, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> > We have the sweat-of-the-brow doctrine instead.
>
> Fine enough, and who sweated hardest to click in a particular point on
> a Google Map? Google? Or the Wikipedia editor [...] OMG, I'm
Russ Nelson wrote:
> Fine enough, and who sweated hardest to click in a particular point
> on a Google Map? Google? Or the Wikipedia editor[...]?
Sweat-of-the-brow doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean that "A did some work,
but B did more, so B owns the copyright". _Both_ A and B own some copyr
On May 5, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> We have the sweat-of-the-brow doctrine instead.
Fine enough, and who sweated hardest to click in a particular point on
a Google Map? Google? Or the Wikipedia editor, who located the
point, identified the point, clicked on the point, cop
Russ Nelson wrote:
> In fact, we don't know this. And since Google didn't create those
> lat/lon pairs, the Wikipedia editor did, Google had no participation
> in the act of creation, and thus no copyright claim.
>
> You guys have some really weird ideas about copyright.
Yeah, but by "you guy
On May 5, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote:
> Russ Nelson schrieb:
>> Any reason not to go through Wikipedia and import everything with a
>> coordinate as a POI, with a url=http://wikipedia.org/NAME link, and
>> name=NAME where NAME is the name of the Wikipedia entry?
>
> * There is already a
Hello,
Stephan Plepelits wrote:
> I would say it should be exactly the same as for the name-tag[1].
>
> Local language:
> name=Foobar
> the way with the housenumbers get
> addr:street=Foobar
>
> if you have translations
> name:ua=Uaah
> then you can do
> addr:street:ua=Uaah
>
> [1] http://wiki.ope
2009/5/5 Frederik Ramm :
> Please: Wikimapia, or even Wikipedia or OpenAerialMap may be on the
> other side of *our* definition of acceptable, but that does not make
> them any less free, or make them second-rate projects. It is time to
> bury that childish "but we are cleaner than you" rivalry.
I
On May 5, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>
> Adam Schreiber wrote:
>> We don't know where the wikipedia users sourced their cooridinates
>> from.
>
> Oh yes we do: Google Maps.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Obtaining_geographic_coordinates#Google_tools
>
> There is abso
On May 5, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Adam Schreiber wrote:
>
> Is it innocent infringement if we import licensed data in good faith,
> knowing that there may be problems with what they've provided?
Do we in fact know this? If so, we should report it to Wikipedia so
that they can fix it.
If you have no
Russ Nelson schrieb:
> Any reason not to go through Wikipedia and import everything with a
> coordinate as a POI, with a url=http://wikipedia.org/NAME link, and
> name=NAME where NAME is the name of the Wikipedia entry?
* There is already a free, constantly-updated, machine-readable and,
most
Frederik Ramm wrote:
>Thomas Wood wrote:
>> Where's ShakespeareFan00 when you need him? :)
> That poor guy has been told by some self-important OSMers that
> Wikimapia was an unacceptable source, and they somehow forgot
> to say that this is just the OSM interpretation. SFan00 dutifully
> start
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Cartinus
>> > Sounds like I can do:
>> > addr:street:en:Tereschenkivska Street
>> > and
>> > addr:street:ua:Терещнкіівська
>> > Is this best practice?
>
> ... This nearby street will have the tags highway=* + name=Терещнкіівська
> + name:en=Tereschenkivska Street (+
IANAL but can't you stop basing your defense on the "good faith"
argument as soon as you discuss the content beforehand like we're doing?
Le 5 mai 09 à 20:58, Adam Schreiber a écrit :
> Is it innocent infringement if we import licensed data in good faith,
> knowing that there may be problems wi
2009/5/5 Russ Nelson :
> Any reason not to go through Wikipedia and import everything with a
> coordinate as a POI, with a url=http://wikipedia.org/NAME link, and
> name=NAME where NAME is the name of the Wikipedia entry? If I do this
> under a special username, then there is no problem backing ou
Adam Schreiber wrote:
> We don't know where the wikipedia users sourced their cooridinates from.
Oh yes we do: Google Maps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Obtaining_geographic_coordinates#Google_tools
There is absolutely no way that Wikipedia-derived co-ordinates are suitable
for mass i
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Russ Nelson wrote:
>
> On May 5, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Adam Schreiber wrote:
>>
>> We don't know where the wikipedia users sourced their cooridinates
>> from.
>
>
> We don't care either. That's wikipedia's problem. They're licensing
> the data under CC-By-SA now, so i
Greg Troxel schrieb:
> David Lynch writes:
>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:45, Maarten Deen wrote:
>
>>> Is it ok to use barrier=toll_booth for portals over the road with
>>> cameras for automated toll collection, like the ones used for LKW
>>> Maut (HGV toll) in Germany? To me, toll_booth indi
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Thomas Wood wrote:
>> Unverified and somewhat copyrightable sources.
>
> While I'm not the greatest fan of Wikipedia myself, I think that we
> should stop perpetuating such unjustified and unfair criticism.
>
> Like us, Wikipedia relies on a l
Hi,
Thomas Wood wrote:
> Unverified and somewhat copyrightable sources.
While I'm not the greatest fan of Wikipedia myself, I think that we
should stop perpetuating such unjustified and unfair criticism.
Like us, Wikipedia relies on a large user base, and they do a lot to
educate these users a
I would say it should be exactly the same as for the name-tag[1].
Local language:
name=Foobar
the way with the housenumbers get
addr:street=Foobar
if you have translations
name:ua=Uaah
then you can do
addr:street:ua=Uaah
[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bilingual_street_names
What might b
On May 5, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Adam Schreiber wrote:
>
> We don't know where the wikipedia users sourced their cooridinates
> from.
We don't care either. That's wikipedia's problem. They're licensing
the data under CC-By-SA now, so if we were found to be infringing, it
would be innocent inf
Hi,
this is an interesting question. I have a slightly related question
regarding the naming of objects in OSM.
I was wondering in that case the :ua is actually needed since it is
actually the native language of the place. Wouldn't it make more sense
to have simply addr:street: and keep the one fo
David Lynch writes:
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:45, Maarten Deen wrote:
>> Is it ok to use barrier=toll_booth for portals over the road with
>> cameras for automated toll collection, like the ones used for LKW
>> Maut (HGV toll) in Germany? To me, toll_booth indicates a physical
>> barrier, a
Unverified and somewhat copyrightable sources.
Where's ShakespeareFan00 when you need him? :)
2009/5/5 Russ Nelson :
> Any reason not to go through Wikipedia and import everything with a
> coordinate as a POI, with a url=http://wikipedia.org/NAME link, and
> name=NAME where NAME is the name of th
I've been using it for electronic toll collection, even though it
doesn't require stopping.
There probably should be some tag like "highway=toll_collection" to
cover places where tolls are collected in addition to
barrier=toll_booth where an actual stop is required.
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:45,
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Russ Nelson wrote:
> Any reason not to go through Wikipedia and import everything with a
> coordinate as a POI, with a url=http://wikipedia.org/NAME link, and
> name=NAME where NAME is the name of the Wikipedia entry?
We don't know where the wikipedia users sourced
Any reason not to go through Wikipedia and import everything with a
coordinate as a POI, with a url=http://wikipedia.org/NAME link, and
name=NAME where NAME is the name of the Wikipedia entry? If I do this
under a special username, then there is no problem backing out the
import if somebod
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb:
> Forwarding this to talk@ since the talk-ps@ moderator isn't allowing
> this through.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
> Date: Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:38 PM
> Subject: Gaza WMS server unavailable?
> To: talk...@openstreet
Is it ok to use barrier=toll_booth for portals over the road with cameras for
automated toll collection, like the ones used for LKW Maut (HGV toll) in
Germany?
To me, toll_booth indicates a physical barrier, and a portal is no barrier.
Regards,
Maarten
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Forwarding this to talk@ since the talk-ps@ moderator isn't allowing
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From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
Date: Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Subject: Gaza WMS server unavailable?
To: talk...@openstreetmap.org
Is the secret 2m WMS for Gaza unavailab
OSM,
Apologies for the short notice...
tile.openstreetmap.org (Mapnik layer) will be unavailable for up to
30mins from 7pm UTC today.
An external disk array (+controller) is being re-allocated to the tile
server.
Compulsory picture:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:DellPowerVault220S.j
Patrick Weber a scris:
> First, is this a omission or intended that XAPI doesnt carry the version
> info? Secondly, how can I get OSM data which contains the version info?
> And finally, does anyone have advice on an easier way of generating bulk
> changes like this? (I am talking about 400 changes
Eddy Petrișor a scris:
> Etienne Chové a scris:
>> Etienne Chové a écrit :
>>> Dears,
>>>
>>> I wrote a python class to communicate with OSM API (read, write,
>>> update). For interested users, informations are here [1].
>>>
>>> May I put sources on the dev server ?
>> This is now hosted on the ma
Etienne Chové a scris:
> Etienne Chové a écrit :
>> Dears,
>>
>> I wrote a python class to communicate with OSM API (read, write,
>> update). For interested users, informations are here [1].
>>
>> May I put sources on the dev server ?
>
> This is now hosted on the main osm svn repositrory. I appo
Legal,
The ODbL (potential future OpenStreetMap license) relies on the meaning
of "Substantial".
The ODbL 1.0rc defines it as:
"Substantial" - Means substantial in terms of quantity or quality or a
combination of both. The repeated and systematic Extraction or
Re-utilisation of insubstantial p
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