Re: [OSM-legal-talk] QA with a lawyer

2009-05-20 Thread Jordan S Hatcher
On 12 May 2009, at 03:17, Peter Miller wrote: I have just concluded an email discussion with Jordan following our lawyers review of 1.0 who has answered some points but is now saying that he would need someone to pay him to answer more of them which leaves things in a rather unsatisfactory

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Stephen Hope
In my part of Australia, we have a speed limit that applies to every non-rural street that is not specifically signed as being another speed - basically case (b) below. The wording used in the law is built up area. (In practice, the test for a built up area seems to be does it have street

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com wrote: hi, currently there is a discussion on the german list about tagging speed limits respectively different zones. as there are implied also other things than maxspeed there are proposed three default zones, derived

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Hi, recently we've had the same discussion in Czech list. The conclusion was to use 'place' for tagging areas where city speed limits apply. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place The place key can also apply to an area (area) drawn around the perimeter of the place. It not specified

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread MP
a) motorway: that's very clear, therea are no or very high limits. b) city areas with limited speed and some restrictions c) everything else, mostly out of town. In Czech republic there are different rules for motorways inside city area (maxspeed=80) and outside (maxspeed=130). So case d)

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Mario Salvini
MP schrieb: a) motorway: that's very clear, therea are no or very high limits. b) city areas with limited speed and some restrictions c) everything else, mostly out of town. In Czech republic there are different rules for motorways inside city area (maxspeed=80) and outside

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Hi, I would like to ask about the proposed feature 'trafficzone'. If I understand it right, it proposes to add a tag to _every_ highway and _every_ road in the city. I'm afraid that this solution is highly redundant in the amount of information and therefore it's likely that someone will forgot

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:59:05AM +0100, Radomir Cernoch wrote: In the Czech list we ended up with the following solution, which tries to copy the legislation (which is a good starting point, I guess): 1) Every road is by default 'rural' road (speed limit 90 km/h). 2) Every highway has

[OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor

2009-05-20 Thread Jehan Pagès
Hi all, my name is Jehan. I am currently making a world tour. Making lastly a small part of my trip with some Mozilla guys (you can see me here: http://blogs.mozilla-europe.org/?post/2009/04/30/The-end-of-the-MECT-09 ), as they were recording the trip for Open Street Map, they gave me the idea to

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Peter Childs
2009/5/20 Jacek Konieczny jaj...@jajcus.net: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:59:05AM +0100, Radomir Cernoch wrote: In the Czech list we ended up with the following solution, which tries to copy the legislation (which is a good starting point, I guess): 1) Every road is by default 'rural' road

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread MP
I wonder, can we have at some place (wiki?) some definition file that will specify these per-country default limits in some machine-readable way? This could look like this: country(cz) { maxspeed=90 (highway=motorway|trunk) { maxspeed=130 foot=no bicycle=no }

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:07:46PM +0100, Radomir Cernoch wrote: Ok, I see the problem. Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding: In Poland the speed is restricted in the built up zone or in place? There is a set of general restrictions for built up zones and there are no general

Re: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor

2009-05-20 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Miércoles, 20 de Mayo de 2009, Jehan Pagès escribió: Hi all, Hi, Jehan, Maybe this question should go better in the newbies list rather than in the general one. Please have this in mind for other questions you might have. So I bought a GPSMap 60 CSx. Currently I configured it with the

Re: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor

2009-05-20 Thread Jehan Pagès
Hi again, an additionnal question. As I said, I won't take time to use a computer, so I won't edit my own tracks, just upload them. But sometimes I may go down from the bike, use small foot only roads, etc. and I don't switch off the GPS. So it is in the uploaded tracks. Is it a big problem? Or

Re: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor

2009-05-20 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Jehan Pagès wrote: Sent: 20 May 2009 12:50 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor Hi all, my name is Jehan. I am currently making a world tour. Making lastly a small part of my trip with some Mozilla guys (you can see me here:

Re: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor

2009-05-20 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Jehan Pagès wrote: Sent: 20 May 2009 1:24 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor Hi again, an additionnal question. As I said, I won't take time to use a computer, so I won't edit my own tracks, just upload them. But sometimes I may go down

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread MP
Could we not have different polygons for Speed Limited Zones. That may or may not be the same as the city limits. We could even tag these zones with maxspeed, So that when applying we don't have to go and look up what that means. The problem is if the zones overlap, which one applies?

Re: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor

2009-05-20 Thread Chris Hill
A safe and fairly reliable way is to run your GPS from NiMH rechargeable batteries. You can recharge these with a charger run from your bike electrics, or from the mains when you have it. It doesn't risk your GPS and it allows you to take the GPS off on foot. Cheers, Chris Jehan Pags wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread MP
Well, we can have layering (layer=-5 ... 5) like for any other tags, so we could have small zone with different limits within one large zone. For clashes with default rules from place=... and alike, we can define some rules of precedence (speed limits on individual ways have highest

[OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomír Černoch
MP píše v St 20. 05. 2009 v 14:41 +0200: Could we not have different polygons for Speed Limited Zones. That may  or may not be the same as the city limits. We could even tag these  zones with maxspeed, So that when applying we don't have to go and  look up what that means. The problem is

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 02:16:05PM +0200, MP wrote: I wonder, can we have at some place (wiki?) some definition file that will specify these per-country default limits in some machine-readable way? This could look like this: country(cz) { maxspeed=90 (highway=motorway|trunk) {

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town? - b orders are different

2009-05-20 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 20 May 2009 12:00:31 +0200, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: a) motorway: that's very clear, therea are no or very high limits. b) city areas with limited speed and some restrictions c) everything else, mostly out of town. In Czech republic there are different rules for motorways

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Maarten Deen
Peter Childs wrote: Speed limits tend to apply to zones not roads anyway, it just happens that most people only drive on the road. Oh and you will find Speed I disagree. How would you define the zone in this example?

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Greg Troxel
In my part of Australia, we have a speed limit that applies to every non-rural street that is not specifically signed as being another speed - basically case (b) below. The wording used in the law is built up area. (In practice, the test for a built up area seems to be does it have

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 20 May 2009 14:16:05 +0200, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder, can we have at some place (wiki?) some definition file that will specify these per-country default limits in some machine-readable way? I already empoly such a schema in Traveling Salesman:

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: zones for motorway/in town/ outof town?]

2009-05-20 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 20 May 2009 14:04:36 +0100, Radomir Cernoch radomir.cern...@gmail.com wrote: MP píše v St 20. 05. 2009 v 14:16 +0200: I wonder, can we have at some place (wiki?) some definition file that will specify these per-country default limits in some machine-readable way? Yes, surely! My

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: zones for motorway/in town/outof town?]

2009-05-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:26 PM, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 May 2009 14:04:36 +0100, Radomir Cernoch radomir.cern...@gmail.com wrote: MP píše v St 20. 05. 2009 v 14:16 +0200: I wonder, can we have at some place (wiki?) some definition file that will specify these

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: zones for motorway/in town/outof town?]

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Hi, if only I knew that the idea would arouse so intense emotions! Ok, now I know that I should be more careful with the word semantic next time. Andy Allan píše v St 20. 05. 2009 v 14:48 +0100: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:26 PM, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 May 2009

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: zones for motorway/in town/outof town?]

2009-05-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Radomir Cernoch radomir.cern...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, if only I knew that the idea would arouse so intense emotions! Ok, now I know that I should be more careful with the word semantic next time. Heh. It's mainly that I have a reflexive preference for

[OSM-talk] 50 Days to SOTM 2009

2009-05-20 Thread Mike Collinson
If you are coming, you can twitter, email or shout about SOTM, using this new neat little link: http://bit.ly/2TDMvPhttp://bit.ly/2TDMvP ... or click it to register your place now. Mike State Of The Map 2009 The 3rd International OpenStreetMap Conference Amsterdam, July 10th-12th 209

[OSM-talk] Map rendering

2009-05-20 Thread Mike Ryan
Hi All I'm trying to render some maps of my local area, and I followed the notes here: http://www.use-it.be/europe/docs/OSMmanual/ At the end, it says that you can remove features, by removing the rules from osm-map-features-z17.xml file. However, when I took out pubs, for example, they're still

Re: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor

2009-05-20 Thread Niklas Cholmkvist
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In Thessaloniki, have you tried the free wifi spot in Kamara? (by the Municipality of Thessaloniki) I've not yet used wifi, so I don't know if that spot works. It's the one marked as free wifi spot:

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 09:05:45PM +0100, Radomir Cernoch wrote: By traffic zone you mean a tag zone=XXX on each individual road in the city? I'm afraid that such system is very prone to forgotten tags. If you use a polygon around a city, you can also derive the source of the speed limit.

Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM

2009-05-20 Thread Joe Richards
Where did this idea go in the end? It seems the talk about it petered-out, or was some action agreed (along with who was going to undertake it)? On 18 May 2009, at 13:36, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: In addition to actively pursuing further experiments for the MOD and BNSC, the consortium

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Lennard
Radomir Cernoch wrote: The idea is not to create a node here starts city and a node here ends the city. The idea is to create a polygon which defines the border of 50 km/h speed limit. The problem of forgotten end node, which causes cities to leak all over the planet, does not apply. Now we

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Lennard píše v Čt 21. 05. 2009 v 00:01 +0200: Don't focus on the highway-in-city bit. Focus on the $random_road_type with a different maxspeed bridges over (or tunnels under) a zone with another maxspeed bit. You'll have two zone polygons overlaying each other. No, 'maxspeed' tag on a road

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Greg Troxel
I find this talk of overlapping polygons a bit boggling. Things seem far simpler: roads with an explicit speed tag use that tag. This represents the situation where the road has a sign and that's been entered. roads in a city center polygon that don't have a tag inherit from the

[OSM-talk] (no subject)

2009-05-20 Thread Ben Dauphinee
I have found a lot of sources of map data after having a chat with the GIS guy at my workplace. I am curious if anyone can offer some suggestions or help me determine if this data can be imported to OSM. If so, can anyone help out getting this done?

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: zones for motorway/in town/outof town?]

2009-05-20 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Wednesday 20 May 2009 schrieb Andy Allan: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:26 PM, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 May 2009 14:04:36 +0100, Radomir Cernoch radomir.cern...@gmail.com wrote: MP píše v St 20. 05. 2009 v 14:16 +0200: I wonder, can we have at some place (wiki?)

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Greg Troxel píše v St 20. 05. 2009 v 18:32 -0400: I find this talk of overlapping polygons a bit boggling. Things seem far simpler: roads with an explicit speed tag use that tag. This represents the situation where the road has a sign and that's been entered. roads in a city

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Wednesday 20 May 2009 schrieb Jacek Konieczny: That would not work very well in Poland. Town/city/village administrative border usually differ from the built up zone borders. right. the same in germany. that's why we nedd to different zones: one like zone:traffic=... for speed limits and

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Wednesday 20 May 2009 schrieb Radomir Cernoch: Hi, I would like to ask about the proposed feature 'trafficzone'. If I understand it right, it proposes to add a tag to _every_ highway and _every_ road in the city. I'm afraid that this solution is highly redundant in the amount of

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Wednesday 20 May 2009 schrieb Peter Childs: 2009/5/20 Jacek Konieczny jaj...@jajcus.net: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:59:05AM +0100, Radomir Cernoch wrote: In the Czech list we ended up with the following solution, which tries to copy the legislation (which is a good starting point, I

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town? - borders are different

2009-05-20 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Wednesday 20 May 2009 schrieb marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com: I would like everyone to realise, that we are talking about 3 _different_ city-limits: a) the large administrative area that belongs to the city b) the area that has the given place in postal addresses c) the smaller area where

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Cartinus
On Thursday 21 May 2009 00:30:13 Radomir Cernoch wrote: However it's important to notice that two polygons can never overlap (unless there is a futuristic city with zone-30 area flying in the air above a 130 km/h highway). Now we have an urban area, with a circular road with maxspeed=50, and

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Guenther Meyer píše v Čt 21. 05. 2009 v 00:51 +0200: Am Wednesday 20 May 2009 schrieb Jacek Konieczny: That would not work very well in Poland. Town/city/village administrative border usually differ from the built up zone borders. right. the same in germany. that's why we nedd to different

[OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: zones for motorway/in town/outof town?]

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Guenther Meyer píše v Čt 21. 05. 2009 v 00:49 +0200: Am Wednesday 20 May 2009 schrieb Radomir Cernoch: ...but you would need some kind of gis database/functions to evaluate the polygon data. the easy way of reading just keys and values like with most of the other features in the osm

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread MP
...but you would need some kind of gis database/functions to evaluate the polygon data. the easy way of reading just keys and values like with most of the other features in the osm database would not be possible. for more advanced use of OSM data you need function in which polygons does

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Cartinus píše v Čt 21. 05. 2009 v 01:01 +0200: It is completely possible for a village ringroad on a bridge (highway=primary or secondary) to have a maxspeed of 80 km/h due to being outside the build-up zone, not because there is a sign on it that says 80 km/h. It is also possible at the

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Lennard
Radomir Cernoch wrote: Don't focus on the highway-in-city bit. Focus on the $random_road_type with a different maxspeed bridges over (or tunnels under) a zone with another maxspeed bit. You'll have two zone polygons overlaying each other. No, 'maxspeed' tag on a road does not imply a

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Lennard píše v Čt 21. 05. 2009 v 01:51 +0200: Radomir Cernoch wrote: Don't focus on the highway-in-city bit. Focus on the $random_road_type with a different maxspeed bridges over (or tunnels under) a zone with another maxspeed bit. You'll have two zone polygons overlaying each other.

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Teemu Koskinen
On Thu, 21 May 2009 03:13:06 +0300, Radomir Cernoch radomir.cern...@gmail.com wrote: Lennard píše v Čt 21. 05. 2009 v 01:51 +0200: Radomir Cernoch wrote: No, 'maxspeed' tag on a road does not imply a polygon with zone! There can be both in one place. Tag 'maxspeed' on a road is dominant

[OSM-talk] Revert changes/bug in changeset?

2009-05-20 Thread Aun Yngve Johnsen
Can somebody look into reverting way 33136730 and 33136657. They seem to have been buggy (only 3 nodes visible out of many) and whan I did an update of relations connected to these roads, they was updated with the version I had on my computer (no changes should have been done to the ways).

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomír Černoch
2009/5/21 Teemu Koskinen teemu.koski...@mbnet.fi: On Thu, 21 May 2009 03:13:06 +0300, Radomir Cernoch radomir.cern...@gmail.com wrote: We are seeking a situation, where two large areas with road networks overlap each other on a map. All streets in one area must have a different speed limit

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Per
Radomir Cernoch wrote: We are seeking a situation, where two large areas with road networks overlap each other on a map. All streets in one area must have a different speed limit from streets in the second area. In such a situation, using maxspeed=* tag on any street must be inappropriate.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Openfietskaart.nl Beta 2

2009-05-20 Thread Sander Hoentjen
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 23:32 +0200, Lennard wrote: Theun wrote: Wel weer jammer dat vaak op een kruispunt in het midden van een dorpje waar een knooppunt is gekozen vaak ook een place-tag staat, waardoor de plaatsnaam dwars over de knooppunt-aanduiding staat. Heb je hier een paar

[OSM-talk-nl] zoekfunctie

2009-05-20 Thread samsa
Dag allemaal, Hier tussendoor even een vraag van een leek: werken jullie ook aan een zoekfunctie in OSM? Het ontbreken van die functie in OSM is voor mij vaak een reden om toch op Googlemaps te kijken. En nog een mini-opmerking over http://osm.esperconsultancy.nl: 'acties' en 'contact' beter met

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] zoekfunctie

2009-05-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hoi Sandra, Er is de namefinder op openstreetmap.org, maar ik ben het met je eens, het zou een goede functionaliteit zijn voor de Nederlandse server. Ook als alleenstaande webservice, OSMGeocoder / OSMRevGeocoder. Een +1 dus van mij :) martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+-

[OSM-talk-nl] OpenStreetMap Rheinland in Bonn, 26 mei

2009-05-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
Ha alllemaal, Vanwege de relatieve nabijheid en een interessant programma plug ik hier de OSM Rheinland-bijeenkomst, volgende week woensdag op 26 mei. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_im_Rheinland_2009 Op de wiki staan weinig aanmeldingen, maar ik kreeg vandaag een mail van de

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] zoekfunctie

2009-05-20 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Dat moet toch wel sosialisties zijn dan, sandra ! Soms heb ik wel heimwee naar die tijd (eind jaren 70) toen dit type spelling haar entree deed. Kontakt Elektronika Kompressor Funktioneren Simbool frekwentie kode en dekoderen kwasie simmetrisch interkom sintesizer sinchroon eksperimenteren kado

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XAPI maar dan beter

2009-05-20 Thread Rob
SQL is natuurlijk tha bomb ;) kan ik eindelijk m'n request zoek shell tankstation met restaurant binnen 50km waar ik nu rij (A2) afvuren of geef me alle Rabobank pinautomaten binnen 1km vanaf dit punt Op 20 mei 2009 03:15 heeft Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de het volgende geschreven: Jullie

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XAPI maar dan beter

2009-05-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
Ja eens, die XAPI requests nu zijn veel te beperkt (en te langzaam) Martijn martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ 2009/5/20 Rob interru...@gmail.com: SQL is natuurlijk tha bomb ;) kan ik eindelijk m'n request zoek shell tankstation met restaurant binnen

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XAPI maar dan beter

2009-05-20 Thread Roeland Douma
Eindelijk :) Ik zit zelf te denken aan een combinatie. Je zou voor sommige devs best gewoon SQL willen parsen. Uiteraard braaf met een readonly acocuntje zodat niet een of andere boosdoener (of domme idioot) de hele db kan wissen, maar dat idee had je vast ook al gehad :) Maar voor veel users

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XAPI maar dan beter

2009-05-20 Thread Roeland Douma
Tuurlijk :) Gewoon overal 42 op retourneren ;) Maar even zonder dollen wat meer semantiek in de data zou wel bruut zijn. Zal er wel even over denken wat voor brute dingen wij hiermee zouden kunnen doen :) On Wednesday 20 May 2009 13:14:39 Rob wrote: Roeland kun jij niet even een sematisch

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Openfietskaart.nl Beta 2

2009-05-20 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Lennard wrote: Theun wrote: Wel weer jammer dat vaak op een kruispunt in het midden van een dorpje waar een knooppunt is gekozen vaak ook een place-tag staat, waardoor de plaatsnaam dwars over de knooppunt-aanduiding staat. Heb je hier een paar voorbeelden van, zodat ik kan experimenteren?

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Openfietskaart.nl Beta 2

2009-05-20 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 19 May 2009, Theun wrote: Wel weer jammer dat vaak op een kruispunt in het midden van een dorpje waar een knooppunt is gekozen vaak ook een place-tag staat, waardoor de plaatsnaam dwars over de knooppunt-aanduiding staat. Daar valt voorlopig toch weinig tegen te doen. We kunnen

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Openfietskaart.nl Beta 2

2009-05-20 Thread Rob
daarom had ik de plaatsnamen op weer een andere layer gezet :) zodat die weer over de fietsroute layer kan liggen Op 20 mei 2009 13:46 heeft Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: On Tuesday 19 May 2009, Theun wrote: Wel weer jammer dat vaak op een kruispunt in het midden van

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Openfietskaart.nl Beta 2, the next level

2009-05-20 Thread Lambertus
We hebben nu een prachtige kaart, gaan we nu op naar stap 2: routering met behulp van fietsknooppunten? :D Roeland Douma wrote: Fietsers, De fietsers onder jullie zal het niet ontgaan zijn dat er de laatste tijd verscheidene dagen zijn geweest waarop er weer fanatiek gemapd kon worden met

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Openfietskaart.nl Beta 2

2009-05-20 Thread Lennard
Sander Hoentjen wrote: plaatsnaam dwars over de knooppunt-aanduiding staat. Heb je hier een paar voorbeelden van, zodat ik kan experimenteren? Hmm, het plan dat ik had, gaat niet door. Het enige dat ik op dit moment kan bereiken is het gewoon laten wegvallen van de naam. Dat is denk ik niet

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Openfietskaart.nl Beta 2

2009-05-20 Thread Lennard
Ben Laenen wrote: En zelfs als Mapnik ooit een functie zal hebben om plaatsnamen uit de weg te zetten voor andere features, dan gaat het hier nog niet http://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/346 Ticket heb ik al gemaakt. vanzelfsprekend zijn om het op te lossen aangezien de knooppunten op een

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Openfietskaart.nl Beta 2, the next level

2009-05-20 Thread Rob
Op 20 mei 2009 14:21 heeft Lambertus o...@na1400.info het volgende geschreven: We hebben nu een prachtige kaart, gaan we nu op naar stap 2: routering met behulp van fietsknooppunten? :D doe maar ;) Lijk me niet meer dan logisch he ___ Talk-nl

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Openfietskaart.nl Beta 2, the next level

2009-05-20 Thread Lennard
Lambertus wrote: We hebben nu een prachtige kaart, gaan we nu op naar stap 2: routering met behulp van fietsknooppunten? :D Jij bent de routeringsman, he? :D -- Lennard ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XAPI maar dan beter

2009-05-20 Thread Stefan de Konink
Roeland Douma wrote: Ben benieuwd om hem in actie te zien! Op welke data set is die 100ms getest? BeNeLux. Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Openfietskaart.nl Beta 2, the next level

2009-05-20 Thread Ben Companjen
Ik begin bijna te kwijlen... (Hmm, lekkere binnenkomer is dat voor een mailinglist.) Ik bedoel dus: ja graag! 2009/5/20 Lambertus o...@na1400.info: We hebben nu een prachtige kaart, gaan we nu op naar stap 2: routering met behulp van fietsknooppunten? :D Roeland Douma wrote: Fietsers, De

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Openfietskaart.nl Beta 2, the next level

2009-05-20 Thread Lambertus
Lennard wrote: Lambertus wrote: We hebben nu een prachtige kaart, gaan we nu op naar stap 2: routering met behulp van fietsknooppunten? :D Jij bent de routeringsman, he? :D Dat was niet de bedoeling, ik probeer anderen even te kietelen :) De http://www.yournavigation.org website en

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] http://maximumsnelheid.openstreetmap.nl/

2009-05-20 Thread Geert Schuring
- Original Message From: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list talk-nl@openstreetmap.org To: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list talk-nl@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] http://maximumsnelheid.openstreetmap.nl/ Date: 19/05/09 20:53 Ben Laenen wrote: gt; On Monday 18 May

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XAPI maar dan beter

2009-05-20 Thread Stefan de Konink
Roeland Douma wrote: Super. Dan zeggen de getallen ook nog iets. Ben erg benieuwd :D Op wereld grootte moet xapi ook wel goed gaan. Het probleem op wereld grootte lag bij Monet op bbox'en, niet op tag lookups. Maar ik heb het bbox probleem naar 3s teruggebracht op wereld grootte. Stefan

[OSM-talk-nl] Woonplaatsen taggen

2009-05-20 Thread Eugene van der Pijll
Hoi allemaal, Hoe tag ik woonplaatsen? D.w.z. de door de gemeentes vastgestelde woonplaatsgrenzen, die in adressen gebruikt worden. Dit zijn areas (gesloten ways) die heel Nederland bedekken. Tot nu toe heb ik van een vijftal gemeenten (bijv. de Haarlemmermeer) de woonplaatsgrenzen toegevoegd

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] http://maximumsnelheid.openstreetmap.nl/

2009-05-20 Thread Maarten Deen
Martijn van Exel wrote: Eens. Je kunt wel redundante informatie blijven toevoegen, maar dan wordt het echt onbeheersbaar. Het feit dat een object binnen Nederland ligt conformeert, als niet anders aangegeven, aan de Nederlandse standaard als vastgelegd in wet- en regelgeving. Het voorbeeld

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Migratie openstreetmap.nl

2009-05-20 Thread Roeland Douma
Wat mij besterft zijn we goed om te gaan. Ik wou even wachten of er nog hate mail binnen kwam dat ik gek was geworden maar het valt erg mee. (waarschijnlijk komt dat na de migratie :P). Ik zal zo Jeroen even tackelen. --Roeland On Wednesday 20 May 2009 18:42:37 Martijn van Exel wrote: Hoe

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] http://maximumsnelheid.openstreetmap.nl/

2009-05-20 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 20 May 2009, Maarten Deen wrote: Martijn van Exel wrote: Eens. Je kunt wel redundante informatie blijven toevoegen, maar dan wordt het echt onbeheersbaar. Het feit dat een object binnen Nederland ligt conformeert, als niet anders aangegeven, aan de Nederlandse standaard als

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] http://maximumsnelheid.openstreetmap.nl/

2009-05-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
Eens. Je kunt wel redundante informatie blijven toevoegen, maar dan wordt het echt onbeheersbaar. Het feit dat een object binnen Nederland ligt conformeert, als niet anders aangegeven, aan de Nederlandse standaard als vastgelegd in wet- en regelgeving. On 20-05-2009 17:33, Ben Laenen wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Migratie openstreetmap.nl

2009-05-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hoe staat het ermee ondertussen? De kaart ziet er nog steeds een beetje verminkt uit.. Succes! Grtz Martijn On 18-05-2009 14:31, Roeland Douma wrote: Floris, Volgens mij moeten de meeste links blijven werken. Nouja tile.openstreetmap.nl/~user niet meer. Maar dat zou naar dev moeten gaan dan

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Migratie openstreetmap.nl

2009-05-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
OK cool, ik zou (ook) zeggen: doen. Kunnen we eens kijken of de nieuwe setup tegen productieomstandigheden bestand is. Kan iemand me (nog eens) vertellen hoe het zit met de actualiteit van de tiles met deze setup? Hoe oud maximaal? Grtz martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+-

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] http://maximumsnelheid.openstreetmap.nl/

2009-05-20 Thread Ben Laenen
IMHO is het dan toch veel en veel simpeler om het allemaal te taggen. Ook dingen die impliciet lijken. Helemaal mijn idee! Begin dan maar met het taggen van motorcar=yes op elke weg, motorcar=no op elk fietspad, oneway=no op elke weg, en wat weet ik nog allemaal. Dat is namelijk ook

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] http://maximumsnelheid.openstreetmap.nl/

2009-05-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
On 20-05-2009 18:45, Maarten Deen wrote: Martijn van Exel wrote: Eens. Je kunt wel redundante informatie blijven toevoegen, maar dan wordt het echt onbeheersbaar. Het feit dat een object binnen Nederland ligt conformeert, als niet anders aangegeven, aan de Nederlandse standaard als vastgelegd

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] http://maximumsnelheid.openstreetmap.nl/

2009-05-20 Thread Maarten Deen
Ben Laenen wrote: 't is nochtans zeer eenvoudig: tag enkel wat er te vinden is op de weg, want als er iets te vinden is dan betekent het dat het anders is dan de default (of soms een herinnering aan die default). Dus als er een snelheidsbord staat kan je dat taggen. En als er niets te

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread Ross Scanlon
AFAIK it is only lat, long and elevation data.  How did you enter the name and surface tags for the ways.  The source tag is the same. GPX files can contain a lot of data and meta data, the schema for GPX 1.1 can be found here: http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1 Well aware of that, I've

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread Stephen Hope
To get imagery in Josm, you need to use the WMS menu at the top to add an imagery layer. You may need to set it up first with some plug-ins. It is certainly possible, though. Stephen 2009/5/20 Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: I tried JSOM briefly the other day but the entire

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread Ross Scanlon
I've drawn, probably wrong, at least one round about already, but that isn't what I meant, I meant for uniform round abouts a few different round about sizes would make less work for people. I gather you mean the way at the intersection of Gwydir Highway and Byron Street. A few things

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Wed, 20 May 2009 02:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 20/5/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: You could also probably half the number of nodes in the way as well, generally you only need 8 nodes to create a suitable roundabout on the

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread Delta Foxtrot
--- On Wed, 20/5/09, Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: After trawling for a bit I came across this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Surveyor Pity they didn't document what they did specifically. Actually if meta information (POIs/Street names) were saved as an

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread edodd
--- On Wed, 20/5/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Well aware of that, I've been using them for osm uploads for 2-3years. However osm only uses a very limited set so lat, long and elev are all that is currently used by osm, you have to enter all other tags manually. After

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread delta_foxtrot
--- On Wed, 20/5/09, ed...@billiau.net ed...@billiau.net wrote: I've tried something like this in the car but daylight is too bright to see anything on the computer screen, and my sunglasses don't have a reading correction built in. You could get something like the Panasonic Toughbook which

[Talk-de] Wanderkarte für Österreich

2009-05-20 Thread Nop
Hallo! Die Reit- und Wanderkarte (http://topo.geofabrik.de/) wurde erweitert und deckt jetzt die Länder Deutschland und Österreich komplett ab. bye Nop ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-de] Artikel in Der Freitag

2009-05-20 Thread Peter Dörrie
Hallo zusammen, ich habe bei der Wochenzeitung der Freitag http://www.freitag.de ( http://www.freitag.de/) einen Artikel über OSM veröffentlicht. Beim Freitag kann jeder Nutzer eigene Beiträge (als Blog-Posts) erstellen und die Beiträge anderer bewerten. Wenn euch mein

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderkarte für Österreich

2009-05-20 Thread Andreas Labres
Nop wrote: Die Reit- und Wanderkarte (http://topo.geofabrik.de/) wurde erweitert und deckt jetzt die Länder Deutschland und Österreich komplett ab. Super, danke! :) lg Andreas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Geocaches in OSM

2009-05-20 Thread Carsten Behring
OK. Du meinst es ist was anderes nur die Koordinaten zu haben, als zu wissen links fom Parkplatz. Vielleicht sollte ich selber mal Geo-caching versuchen. Carsten -Original Message- From: talk-de-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-de-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Michael

Re: [Talk-de] Geocaches in OSM

2009-05-20 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Es wäre eine Anmassung ohne gleichen, wenn jemand behauptete, der Eigentümer der Position eines Geocaches zu sein. Wie gesagt, man kann durchaus Datenbankrechte geltend machen an einer Sammlung von Cache-Positionen, aber wenn ich im Wald auf einen Geocache stosse

Re: [Talk-de] Geocaches in OSM

2009-05-20 Thread Fabian Schmidt
Am 19.05.09 schrieb Carsten Behring: Man weiss doch ehe wo ein Cache ist, jedefalls im Sinne von man hat die Koordinaten. Ob dies nun auf einer Karte eingezeichnet ist oder nicht, sollte keinen Unterschied machen. für den Einstieg gibt es z.B. unter

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