Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > > Actually I think you've misunderstood: > > You've said these are Junk Tags, and I think everyone has agreed with > you on that. However people have also pointed out that they are probably > attached to Junk Data. How about if I summari

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2015-02-25 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
fixme=yes is an interesting one socially. It's a bit like tiger:reviewed=no If there's an obvious problem, I might feel confident to fix the issue and clear the tag out. But for most nodes I might be unsure what's wrong, or not be confident I know 100% about the object. Thus the fixme=yes sits th

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 25/02/2015, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > On 25/02/2015 17:23, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: >> Hold on, you may have misunderstood. > > Actually I think you've misunderstood: Being the thread starter, I doubt that Bryce has misunderstood the point of the thread. > You've said these are Junk Tags, and I

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 25/02/2015 17:23, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Hold on, you may have misunderstood. Actually I think you've misunderstood: You've said these are Junk Tags, and I think everyone has agreed with you on that. However people have also pointed out that they are probably attached to Junk Data. This means

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:10 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: > On 25/02/2015 05:00, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > >> Any fixme in wide use I'm not interested in deleting. >> > > I'd strongly oppose the mechanical deletion of "low volume" fixme values. > Mappers local to me often use individually worded fixmes de

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically removing objects with FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread John F. Eldredge
In the case of Nashville TN, where I live, a mass removal of Tiger data would erase most of the map. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. On Feb

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically removing objects with FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 25/02/2015, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: >> But mass-removing that import's fixmes > > I meant : "mass-removing the import's objects" Ah well, that's more drastic and a bit off-topic ? But yeah, I'm sure nobody will mind the mass-removal of, say, Tiger data in the US, which happens to be the o

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
brycenesbitt wrote > It's also possible to turn some of those like > "could_be_dunes_or_beach" into notes, rather than FIXME. -1 Don't push dust under another carpet - -- sly, contact direct : sylvain /a\ letuffe o r g http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Sletuffe -- View this message

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
> But mass-removing that import's fixmes I meant : "mass-removing the import's objects" -- sly, direct contact : sylv...@letuffe.org http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Sletuffe - -- sly, contact direct : sylvain /a\ letuffe o r g http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Sletuffe --

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 25/02/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-02-25 11:07 GMT+01:00 moltonel 3x Combo : >> * fixme=yes >> Provides no information > > -1, it indicates a certain overaverage probability of some (not further > specified) problem It can also indicate a tagging error (as in "adding this fixme wa

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 25/02/2015, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: > On mercredi 25 février 2015, you wrote: >> +1, in any case it seems more likely that the problems gets fixed with a >> fixme tag than without. > > -1 > I do think this is is only true in a short term view. > Push that reasoning to the extrem, should we

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 25/02/2015, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: > I do also agree with Frederic, imports of external data not conflated added > with some "fixme=please fix my bad import by surveying it on the ground" > should be remove alltogether. Good integration should be done at import time > and should'nt rely o

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 25/02/2015 07:01, Frederik Ramm wrote: +1 to all that. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
On mercredi 25 février 2015, you wrote: > +1, in any case it seems more likely that the problems gets fixed with a > fixme tag than without. -1 I do think this is is only true in a short term view. Push that reasoning to the extrem, should we add fixme=* tags for every QA tool report, people will

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-02-25 11:07 GMT+01:00 moltonel 3x Combo : > > How will removing any "fixme" tag make the actual _data_ in OSM better? > > It'll just make it harder for people editing it to determine what is > > good data and what isn't. > > +1 > I'm willing to believe that a particular fixme value is useles

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
I agree with Tordanik that automated addition of fixme=* tags to previously existing objects (just like set better denotation on natural=tree) is counter productive, and not only displays warning on JOSM, but make my days on the ground worst as my osmand is showing non human asked corrections. (Bet

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread Dave F.
To me, fixme tags always come with the implied 'I don't know, it needs surveying from a more knowledgeable local mapper' so I don't think a widespread mechanical edit will help. As others have said: What's the problem with these tags? As they're not harming the database. How will deleting them

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 25/02/2015, SomeoneElse wrote: > On 25/02/2015 05:00, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: >> Get rid: >> fixme=check/adjust␣position␣and/or␣merge␣with␣existing␣stop␣if␣exists >> fixme=type_of_palm >> fixme=imported_to_be_checked >> FIXME=stream␣attribute␣data␣missing >> >> Keep: >> fixme=continue >> fixme=pos

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread Dave F.
Unsure how that will resolve any of the problems. On 25/02/2015 05:02, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: It's also possible to turn some of those like "could_be_dunes_or_beach" into notes, rather than FIXME. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lis

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 25/02/2015 07:01, Frederik Ramm wrote: I think in many cases the proper action to perform on an object with a FIXME tag that has "a low chance of ever getting addressed" is deletion. +1 Though just as blind mechanical imports should not be done, so blind mechanical deletes should also

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread SomeoneElse
On 25/02/2015 05:00, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Any fixme in wide use I'm not interested in deleting. I'd strongly oppose the mechanical deletion of "low volume" fixme values. Mappers local to me often use individually worded fixmes describing something that needs investigation. By definition the

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 25.02.2015 02:58, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > It is apparent that a number of imports have left tens of thousands of > fixme notes that have a low chance of ever getting addressed. Pick your > favorite from the lists above: set␣better␣denotation is my mine. That's from a mechanical edit that should