Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

[dkise...@osm.me]

Hi all.

I think, we could ask people to provide us with some contact info after note 
being added.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Russ Nelson]

Alex Barth writes:
 > What do you think are the big topics and challenges for OpenStreetMap as
 > we're about to go into the second decade? What does this mean for State of
 > the Map?

For OSM in the US? Finding and fixing the badly-digitized TIGER
data. I've got it mostly under control in NY, but I still find bits
and pieces of it left. And when I go looking in neighboring states, I
shudder.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

[Bryce Nesbitt]

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:

> Less notes should not be an objective, smarter ways to look at them and
>> process them should.
>> I agree, simplicity rules.
>>
> Some ideas to manage the overkill.
>

While we can build better tools to process large numbers of notes, the one
thing we can't
do under the current system is ask the person who wrote the note for more
information.  There's (usually)
just one chance to collect that information.  And when the map is updated,
is an excellent time to draw
people back to OSM for a second look (so they can take pride in having
contributed).

For both reasons I think that getting more contact information outweighs
simplicity.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Alex Barth]

Casting the net a little wider:

What do you think are the big topics and challenges for OpenStreetMap as
we're about to go into the second decade? What does this mean for State of
the Map?



On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I put together a 3 minute survey about the upcoming State of the Map US
> conference. The main thing I would like to know more about is the types of
> talks you would be interested in, or even specifically which people or
> organizations you would want to see a talk from. You can find the survey
> here: http://goo.gl/forms/YZpm2aPk2O
>
> If you don't want to fill out the survey, you can also send your opinion
> my way in an email. In any case, thanks in advance for taking the time.
>
> Remember, the Call for Papers will be open for another 3 weeks:
> http://stateofthemap.us/talk/
>
> Thanks again,
> --
> Martijn van Exel
> skype: mvexel
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

[moltonel 3x Combo]

On 09/03/2015, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sharp curves .. would they not be obvious from the map it self .. one
> node on the sharp corner compared to many for a 'smooth' corner.'Masked'
> corners where some object hides on coming traffic (e.g. building,
> vegetation)  are also a hazard.
>
> These hazards exist for all kinds of traffic and not indicated on maps.
> Usually people are expected to be aware of their surroundings, not to
> rely on other aids as to what is visually obvious? :-\

From the osm perspective, all these extra bits of information may not
maped yet (road width, vegetation height...) or ever (relief). Even
when they are, deducing the visibility algorythmically is hard. You
might not want to render hazard=curve, but still want to provide it to
drive-assist software.

As for drivers being aware of their suroundings, if the local
authority decided to signpost a curvy road, it's a good hint that osm
should as well. It's not much different from tagging maxspeed.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

[Alex Barth]

Bryce - this is an interesting review, thanks for sharing.

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> As for Scout, I talked about this in my diary entry
>  some time ago -
> not all of these are going to be useful and there is going to be noise.
> We're looking at improving the quality of the notes that make it through -
> which is already a tiny, tiny fraction the notes we get internally. Only
> through making mistakes do we learn how to get it right - not by not doing
> it in the first place. I would say it's a stretch to call this a 'huge
> waste' of our time - as I write this there are only a little over 100 notes
> posted on OSM through our Scout users.
>

For the same reason we don't just open a note for map feedback we get from
the feedback button on Mapbox maps. Only about ~~1% of all feedback we
receive winds up as a note on OpenStreetMap and that only happens after the
feedback has been reviewed manually.

In general I think it should be easier, not harder, to create notes and
> Ian's onosm is a good example of how to accomplish that. Adding artificial
> friction makes no sense to me. Less notes should not be an objective,
> smarter ways to look at them and process them should.
>

I agree, simplicity rules.

Some ideas to manage the overkill, not all of this is necessarily stuff
that needs to be built into osm.org:

- An interface for reviewing notes fast - this would allow for allowing
some of us to triage notes. E. g. close them or classify them as "needs
local knowledge" / "needs armchair mapping".
- A friendly walk through for the first time user.  "Hey, using notes for
the first time?" Like we iD does this. Goal: set expectations of what notes
are for.
- Some ways of dealing with spam (would be useful to quantify some of the
issues you found for this)
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Re: [OSM-talk] New taginfo feature and a challenge...

[colliar]

Am 05.03.2015 um 17:28 schrieb Jochen Topf:
> Hi!
> 
> Taginfo just got a new feature, it can now find keys similar to other keys.
> This is useful to find related keys, but also to find misspelled keys. I
> hope the community uses this feature to clean up those wayward keys...
> 
> More at
> http://blog.jochentopf.com/2015-03-05-new-taginfo-features-and-a-challenge.html

Thanks a lot.

Not sure if it is connected but I have problems with the taginfo website.

If I want to have a closer look at a tag (key=value) like
highway=cycleway [1], I only get one page with the former tabs as links
but clicking on them does not change anything except the URL [2]. The
page stays the same.

Did try it with firefox 36 and chromium 37 on Linux with exactly the
same outcome.

Is it only my setup or do others have the same problem ?

Cheers colliar

[1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/highway=cycleway
[2] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/highway=cycleway#combinations



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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-de] Formal proposal: mechanically reverting fixme=set␣better␣denotation / denotation=cluster

[Bryce Nesbitt]

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:

> Ok, call for additional perhaps final comments on this worldwide
> mechanical cleanup for the impacts of the denotation=cluster import.
>

Fire in the hole: the first changeset is 29373065
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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Partial Website + API outage

[Pierre Béland]

+1Should we buy a super-heros suit to @firefishy1?  
Pierre 

  De : Clifford Snow 
 À : Richard Weait  
Cc : dev Openstreetmap ; annou...@openstreetmap.org; 
Talk Openstreetmap  
 Envoyé le : Lundi 9 mars 2015 17h10
 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Partial Website + API outage
   
+1

On Mar 9, 2015 2:39 PM, "Richard Weait"  wrote:

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Grant Slater
 wrote:
> All servers are now back to normal.


Thank you, Admin Super Heroes.  :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

[Ian Sergeant]

On 10 March 2015 at 08:30, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> These hazards exist for all kinds of traffic and not indicated on maps.
> Usually people are expected to be aware of their surroundings, not to rely
> on other aids as to what is visually obvious? :-\
>


The idea here is not to use it as a replacement for being visually aware,
but possibly to avoid (or minimise) these hazards when planning a cycle
route.  That said, I think we still have to find a way to map objective and
verifiable facts to that end.

Ian.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

[Warin]

On 9/03/2015 9:08 PM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:

On 09/03/2015, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:

There are in places bicycle specific warning signs (e.g. "sharp curve
bicylists beware")
and THOSE can definitely be mapped.

Agreed, we can probably draw the line on wether the hazard is
signposted. And most of the values in taginfo and the proposal look
like they can fit that criteria.




Sharp curves .. would they not be obvious from the map it self .. one 
node on the sharp corner compared to many for a 'smooth' corner.'Masked' 
corners where some object hides on coming traffic (e.g. building, 
vegetation)  are also a hazard.


These hazards exist for all kinds of traffic and not indicated on maps. 
Usually people are expected to be aware of their surroundings, not to 
rely on other aids as to what is visually obvious? :-\
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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Partial Website + API outage

[Clifford Snow]

+1
On Mar 9, 2015 2:39 PM, "Richard Weait"  wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Grant Slater
>  wrote:
> > All servers are now back to normal.
>
>
> Thank you, Admin Super Heroes.  :-)
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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Partial Website + API outage

[Richard Weait]

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Grant Slater
 wrote:
> All servers are now back to normal.


Thank you, Admin Super Heroes.  :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Partial Website + API outage

[Grant Slater]

On 9 Mar 2015 17:38, "Grant Slater"  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> OpenStreetMap is currently offline due to a network problem at the
> data centre which hosts us.
>
> Status updates here: https://twitter.com/OSM_Tech/
>
> Alternative: #osm-dev on http://irc.openstreetmap.org/
>
> We are trying to get everything back up ASAP, but currently do not yet
> have an ETA.
>

All servers are now back to normal.

Kind regards,
Grant
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[OSM-talk] Partial Website + API outage

[Grant Slater]

Hi All,

OpenStreetMap is currently offline due to a network problem at the
data centre which hosts us.

Status updates here: https://twitter.com/OSM_Tech/

Alternative: #osm-dev on http://irc.openstreetmap.org/

We are trying to get everything back up ASAP, but currently do not yet
have an ETA.

Kind regards,
Grant
Part of the OSM sysadmin team

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-03-08 12:24 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

> > Am 08.03.2015 um 11:53 schrieb Stefan Keller :
> >
> > I actually wonder, if this is a case for WikiProject Cleanup?
>
>
> +1, the German page is not a translation of the proposal page, but the
> latter is much older and dates back to 2007.
>


I propose the German page for deletion. The only 3 documented values occur
1, 1 and 2 times, so this is clearly not a page documenting best practise,
and should have been added in the proposal name space.

Is there a template to propose page deletions in the wiki so WikiProject
Cleanup gets noticed?

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

[moltonel 3x Combo]

On 09/03/2015, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:
> There are in places bicycle specific warning signs (e.g. "sharp curve
> bicylists beware")
> and THOSE can definitely be mapped.

Agreed, we can probably draw the line on wether the hazard is
signposted. And most of the values in taginfo and the proposal look
like they can fit that criteria.

Note that http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenHazardMap seems to
use a different set of keys, with usage stats comparable to hazard=*.
We probably want to merge the two schemes together.

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