Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread joost schouppe
It's nice to know where this is coming from, because I was a bit confused about this too. In what way is my privacy protected if 2 million people can see my profile; oh and also everyone who bothers to make an OSM account? Putting a somewhat pointless access limitation to HDYC is counterproductive,

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/05/2017 12:39 AM, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > Many national communities use their own change monitoring tools that > will break, for instance greeting and monitoring new mappers. Why? Would it be so hard to adapt the tools to log in to OSM to access user information? > We use one site

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Michał Brzozowski
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 11:33 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I have personally talked to people who said they don't want to > contribute to OSM because Pascal Neis' page was "inviting stalkers". > > Those people were not the geek elite who have made it a habit to > thoroughly think about what gets publ

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Thursday 04 May 2017, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > > > Well - HDYC is a tool offered by Pascal Neis, AFAIK it is not even > > open source. Pascal could turn it off any time if he wanted to and > > of course he can also put up constraints. > > Keep in mind that I don't make it appear that my reque

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/04/2017 09:33 PM, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > I don't like the idea how this was never introduced and discussed > outside of the German forum. > I think that such "privacy" measures are futile and go against the > spirit of OSM - transparency. I think that what we mainly want to create i

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Simon Poole
This seems to be derailing rather fast. The background is that we are publishing a fair amount of meta data about our contributors that could at least be seen as not totally harmless from a privacy and data protection point of view. This includes all the changeset meta data, user ids and display

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread James
As Michal said, forcing login wont stop "those that want to cause harm". They will just login and harvest the data. They can also just scrape the osm data, so I dont think this is an issue with HDYC as much it is a privacy concern with OSM data itself. If you dont want to be associated with your

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Michał Brzozowski
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > Michał made a connection to privacy concerns regarding Google StreetView > which were exclusively about the recorded data and not about the > recording metadata (which Google obviously has no interest in > publishing). Yes, these matters

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Thursday 04 May 2017, Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > > > Just to make this clear since there are likely quite a few people > > reading here who will not be able or willing to parse the > > discussion on the German forum - discussion there was about privacy > > concerns w.r.t. editing metadata, which i

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread James
> So you think the German community should be required to proactively > communicate any subject they discuss in German language channels to the > international community? We have to do this for imports, the least you could have done is brought it up on the talk mailing list. On May 4, 2017 4:41 P

Re: [OSM-talk] Follow up on last summer discussion about the Automated Edits Code of Conduct and the DWG

2017-05-04 Thread Victor Grousset/tuxayo
Hi, On 2017-04-21 08:18, Roland Olbricht wrote: > Thank you for keeping track of the issue. But I deem the summary > reflects neither the current situation nor the fidings of the discussion. You are right, it was a legacy of how this page started. But now, it's misleading and the intro isn't enou

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Michał Brzozowski
> So you think the German community should be required to proactively > communicate any subject they discuss in German language channels to the > international community? I think the tools are _de facto_ used by the whole OSM community worldwide, that's why I think any sort of announcement would b

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
2017-05-04 17:21 GMT-03:00 Christoph Hormann : > On Thursday 04 May 2017, Michał Brzozowski wrote: >> Maybe this is due to some "moral panic" in Germany revolving around >> privacy, just like StreetView ban - except it's made clear that your >> edits are public and you agree to it! > > Just to make

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Thursday 04 May 2017, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > > https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=57813 > > I don't like the idea how this was never introduced and discussed > outside of the German forum. So you think the German community should be required to proactively communicate any sub

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Denis Carriere
+1 both James & Michal's comments. Thanks Michal for bringing up this undiscussed topic to the mailing list. *~~* *Denis Carriere* *GIS Software & Systems Specialist* On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:42 PM, James wrote: > What Michal said. Any body can download the OSM data and run the same > anal

Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread James
What Michal said. Any body can download the OSM data and run the same analysis. You agreed to contribute to OSM, if you want your online footprint to be non-existant: unplug your internet. On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > Many know Pascal Neis' site HDYC which displays

[OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

2017-05-04 Thread Michał Brzozowski
Many know Pascal Neis' site HDYC which displays detais about an OSM user, like first created node, activity area, edit stats and so on: http://hdyc.neis-one.org/ Today to view any stats of a user you have to login with OSM. Pascal replied to me that this is related to this discussion on the Germa

Re: [OSM-talk] Old-style multipolygon cleanup is done!

2017-05-04 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 4 May 2017 at 16:30, Jochen Topf wrote: > The old-style multipolygon relations are history! In not even two months > the OSM community cleaned up all of the nearly a quarter million > relations. You can see the it here: > http://area.jochentopf.com/stats/#old_style_multipolygons Thanks for the

[OSM-talk] Old-style multipolygon cleanup is done!

2017-05-04 Thread Jochen Topf
Hi! The old-style multipolygon relations are history! In not even two months the OSM community cleaned up all of the nearly a quarter million relations. You can see the it here: http://area.jochentopf.com/stats/#old_style_multipolygons This is much faster than I (and probably everybody else) had