Re: [Talk-cz] Kruhový objezd

2017-08-14 Thread Marián Kyral
Může být takhle nějak?



Marián

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Datum: 14. 8. 2017 11:44:19
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Kruhový objezd
"Skoro mi přijde, že ideální by bylo, abys to zkusil zakreslit sám ;-)
Pokus si s něčím nevíš rady, tak se zeptej, každý nějak začínal.

Marián



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Datum: 14. 8. 2017 10:36:51
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Kruhový objezd
"Ano.
Marek Polák



Dne 14. srpna 2017 9:53:05 AM  napsal:

> To je tohle?
>
> http://forum.ceskedalnice.cz/viewtopic.php?f=138=1953=100
>
> J.
>
> __
>> Od: Ha Noj 
>> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
>> Datum: 14.08.2017 09:38
>> Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Kruhový objezd
>>
>>No, za mě je to celé podivné.
>>Nezdá se mi, že by kvůli stavbě I/14 zůstaly uzavřené obě staré propojení
>>mezi Kunraticemi a Lukášovem a za další, že by nemovitosti na ul. Lučanské
>>byly rok bez obsluhy.
>>
>>hanoj
>>
>>Dne 13. srpna 2017 20:19 marek  napsal(a):
>>
>>> https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=19/50.74725/15.13576=d
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marek Polák
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __
>>> > Od: Marián Kyral 
>>> > Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
>>> > Datum: 13.08.2017 17:40
>>> > Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Kruhový objezd
>>> >
>>> Ahoj,
>>> nějaká přesnější informace by nebyla? Třeba souřadnice? Nebo si otevři
>>> odkaz: https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=19/50.72850/15.15350=d -
>>> posuň mapu na správné místo a pošli zpátky kompletní url.
>>> Jel jsem tamtudy (Liberec - Jablonec) o Velikonocích a žádnou stavbu si
>>> tam nevybavuji.
>>>
>>> Díky,
>>> Marián
>>>
>>> Dne 12.8.2017 v 12:23 Marek Polák napsal(a):
>>> > Je to u města Jablonec nad Nisou
>>> > Marek Polák
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dne 12. srpna 2017 12:16:41 PM Marek Polák 
>>> > napsal:
>>> >
>>> >> Na budoucí silnici 1/14 není zakreslen budoucí kruhový objezd. Kdo to
>>> >> umí,
>>> >> tak to tam doplňte.
>>> >> Marek Polák
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Re: [Talk-us] natural=* and landuse=* multipolygons at the urban interface

2017-08-14 Thread Paul Norman

On 8/13/2017 4:34 PM, Steve Friedl wrote:

You’re right that splitting this up is the right approach, because I don’t 
believe having all this as one huge relation was every the right thing to do as 
I cannot see how the related-ness of all the scrub patches in a very wide area 
is useful information (the scrubs that are part of the relation are not any 
more “related” than standalone patches of scrub in the same area).


I've cleaned up a few areas. Generally I end up deleting most of the 
imported data, as it's wrong as often as it right and impossible to work 
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Re: [OSM-talk] MapRoulette questionnaire

2017-08-14 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all, 

SOTM is coming up and I will be doing a talk on MapRoulette there. I will 
incorporate the results of my questionnaire from earlier this year and announce 
the mappy prize winner there too. If they are in the audience they will be able 
to receive their prize right then and there, otherwise I will need to ship it 
to them. 

I had more than 80 responses so far, and that is really helpful. The form is 
still open, so if you want to have a chance to win a mappy prize, you can still 
enter. (see below for link)

Martijn

> On Feb 28, 2017, at 11:34 AM, m...@rtijn.org wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I put together a small questionnaire about MapRoulette. Your opinions and 
> ideas are really important for future development of the project, so if you 
> have used MapRoulette, I would appreciate a few minutes of your time to fill 
> it out. Anyone who leaves their email is automatically enrolled in a mappy 
> prize draw. Here is the link: https://goo.gl/forms/J8yhWC3IBsUZmTjS2 
>  . If you don’t like Google Forms you 
> can also send me your thoughts and ideas via email.
> 
> Martijn

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Re: [Talk-GB] Edits in Wales

2017-08-14 Thread Warin

On 14-Aug-17 11:49 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

On 14/08/2017 14:47, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo wrote:

I do not agree your change of the Wiki. You should ask before to do it.


Ask who?? Don't think there is a formal process to change the wiki, and 
I have made a few changes without comment.


I'm documenting the existing practice in Wales.

If you want to change existing practice, the onus is on you to justify 
your changes and get agreement.


Agreement with who?

If I disagree with with wiki .. I make comment on the talk page .. and 
then hope someone who disagrees, cares, notices and makes a reply.
Where the wiki page does not have much information .. I'll go ahead and 
add to it.


 If it is a tagging issue I'll raise it with the tagging group/list.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: Re: FYI: Body záchrany v pražských lesích

2017-08-14 Thread Jan Martinec

On 08/14/2017 11:11 PM, Petr Vejsada wrote:

Ahoj,

tak to jsi mě pobavil :-). No když Eltodo kšeftuje, proč ne. Eltodu asi
ještě nikdo neprozradil, že jeho vzácné hou-nou je součástí digitální
technické mapy Prahy a všechny jeho lampy včetně průběhu drátů k nim jsou
součástí opendat :-))).

http://www.geoportalpraha.cz/cs/opendata



No vida, tam by to bejt mohlo, to je pravda. A dokonce s kompatibilní 
licencí. Super, tohle mě nenapadlo :)


HPM

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 99, Issue 7

2017-08-14 Thread Simon Poole
Am 14.08.2017 um 17:48 schrieb Ciarán Staunton:

> ...
>
> I think Martín's comment is a good concern to have. However, I believe that
> OSMF wants local chapters formally set up, composed of responsible groups
> in each country to make accountable decisions about how the maps of each
> country evolve, 

I don't believe the OSMF has ever said, or even remotely indicated,
anything along such lines (and any implementation of such a policy is
likely to run in to strong resistance by contributors all over OSM), a
better way to is to think of local chapters as service and support
organisations for the national mapping community which fits in nicely
with the rest of your points which are completely OK.

While I'm commenting on this thread: I suspect that any hopes of
directly increasing contributor numbers by having a formal org are going
to be disappointed (similar ideas have been aired by the UK chapter). It
would be nice if I was proved wrong, but I don't believe that active
recruitment really works (fsov of works).

Simon

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikidata SPARQL service updated

2017-08-14 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:10:39AM -0400, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
> mmd, the centroids are calculated with this code, let me know if there is a
> better way, I wasn't aware of any issues with the minute data updates.
>   wkb = wkbfab.create_linestring(obj)
>   point = loads(wkb, hex=True).representative_point()
> https://github.com/nyurik/osm2rdf/blob/master/osm2rdf.py#L250

It doesn't look like you have any location cache included when
processing updates, so that's unlikely to work.

Minutely updates don't have the full node location information.
If a way gets updated, you only get the new list of node ids.
If the nodes have not changed themselves, they are not available
with the update.

If you need location information, you need to keep a persistent
node cache in a file (idx=dense_file_cache,file.nodecache)
and use that in your updates as well. It needs to be updated
with the fresh node locations from the minutely change files
and it is used to fill the coordinates for the ways.

Once you have the node cache, you can get the geometries for
updates ways. This is still only half the truth. If a node in
a way is moved around, then this will naturally change the
geometry of the way, but the minutely change file will have
no indication that the way changed. Normally, these changes are
relatively small and for some applications it is good enough
to ignore them (Nominatim, the search engine, does so, for example).
If you need to catch that case, then you also need to keep a
persistent reverse index of which node is part of which way
and for each changed node, update the ways it belongs to.
There is currently no support for this in libosmium/pyosmium.
So you would need to implement this yourself somehow.

Kind regards

Sarah

> 
> Your query is correct, and you are right that (in theory) there shouldn't
> be any ways without the center point. But there has been a number of ways
> with only 1 point, causing a parsing error "need at least two points for
> linestring". I will need to add some special handling for that
> (suggestions?).
> 
> You can see the error by adding this line:
>OPTIONAL { ?osmId osmm:loc:error ?err . }
> The whole query --  http://tinyurl.com/ydf4qd62  (you can create short urls
> with a button on the left side)
> 
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 5:18 AM, mmd  wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Am 13.08.2017 um 19:49 schrieb Yuri Astrakhan:
> >
> > > * all ways now store "osmm:loc" with centroid coordinates, making it
> > > possible to crudely filter ways by location
> >
> > out of curiosity, can you say a few words on how your overall approach
> > to calculate centroids for ways? As we all know it's an endless pain to
> > get that information out of minutely diffs :)
> >
> > I have to say that I'm pretty much unfamiliar with SPARQL and just tried
> > the following query. My expectation was that I won't get any results,
> > making me wonder if my query has some issue?
> >
> > SELECT * WHERE {
> >   ?osmId osmm:type 'w' .
> >   FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?osmId osmm:loc ?osmLoc }.
> > } LIMIT 100
> >
> >
> > BTW: A quick search on Github yielded the following:
> > https://github.com/nyurik/osm2rdf. Would that be the right place to look
> > for more details?
> >
> > Best,
> > mmd
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot

2017-08-14 Thread Tadeusz Cantwell
Anything that reinvigorates the OSM in Ireland I am in favour of. Having an
immediate goal of setting up formal structures seems like a good short term
goal to reboot the informal organisation to via regular meetings and build
from that. Other then that most of what is being discussed is new to me.

Tadeusz

On 14 August 2017 at 17:13, Donal Hunt  wrote:

> I'm happy to support in any way possible. I'm based down in Cork so happy
> to support activities down this way as well as nationally.
>
> Keep us looped in regarding dates, etc (happy to travel / video conference
> for any meetups).
>
> Donal
>
> On 14 Aug 2017 07:33, "Martín Ferrari"  wrote:
>
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > On 13/08/17 21:52, Dave Corley wrote:
> >
> > > What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an
> > > absolute minimum, could do the following
> > [snip]
> >
> > Excuse me for the possibly dumb question.. But why is a legal entity
> > needed to achive any of these goals? Seems to me all of that could be
> > done as an informal group... Actually, I would say that there is no
> > point in setting a formal structure unless there is an already
> > functioning group.
> >
> > My 2¢.
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Uploader ensemble de waypoints d'un fichier GPX ?

2017-08-14 Thread Shohreh
Merci.



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Uploader ensemble de waypoints d'un fichier GPX ?

2017-08-14 Thread marc marc
Annule la fenêtre d'envois
En bas à droite, tu as la fenêtre validation.
Ouvre l'élément en question, double clic sur l'un des noeuds
Menu affichage, zoom sur la sélection
Si tu sélectionnes les 2, tu as aussi l'outil fusionner qui te garde l'id le 
plus ancien

> Le 14 août 2017 à 20:55, Shohreh  a écrit :
> 
> Je n'ai pas trouvé comment faire pour que JOSM m'affiche les nodes qui posent
> problème:
> 
>  
> 
> J'ai masqué les autres éléments (import GPX, données downloadées d'OSM par
> Overpass), mais toujours impossible de voir où se trouvent les deux nodes.
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikidata SPARQL service updated

2017-08-14 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
For relations, I simply add "members" in addition to "tags".  The members
are stored as 3 different predicates:  "osmm:has", "osmm:has:_", and
"osm:has:..." (where the ... represents any "valid" label - same rules as
for the tag key).  The object (value) of the statement is a link to another
OSM object. Copying from wiki:
# this relation contains a way with blank label
  osmm:has osmway:2345 ;
# this relation contains a node with a non-ascii label
  osmm:has:_ osmnode:1234 ;
# this relation contains a relation labelled as "inner"
  osmm:has:inner osmrel:4567 ;

See
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service#How_OSM_data_is_stored

At this point there is no "osmm:loc" stored for relations. I wonder if it
is possible to calculate it dynamically using the geo functions built into
Wikidata's engine (Blazegraph + customizations). If not, I might need to do
some relations postprocessing, as well as automatic updating.

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 1:39 PM, François Lacombe  wrote:

> Hi
>
> 2017-08-14 11:18 GMT+02:00 mmd :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Am 13.08.2017 um 19:49 schrieb Yuri Astrakhan:
>>
>> > * all ways now store "osmm:loc" with centroid coordinates, making it
>> > possible to crudely filter ways by location
>>
>> out of curiosity, can you say a few words on how your overall approach
>> to calculate centroids for ways? As we all know it's an endless pain to
>> get that information out of minutely diffs :)
>>
>
> Out of curiosity, can you explain how relations are processed also ?
> Is this relevant to look for a representative point for a relation or a
> more complex search have to be done for specific members (roles) ?
>
> I don't know Shapely enough to say if it can handle this standalone and it
> would be greate to elaborate a bit what is done from line 260 to 280 of
> osm2rdf.py :)
>
>
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>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: Re: Edits in Wales

2017-08-14 Thread Mike Evans
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:31:08 +0100
Miguel Sevilla-Callejo  wrote:

> El 14/8/2017 14:42, "Andy Townsend"  escribió:
> 
> Hi Miguel,
> 
> A question.  Many places in Wales are predominantly Welsh- or predominantly
> English-speaking.  For somewhere like https://www.openstreetmap.org/
> node/3378387351 , if "name" was a compound of both the Welsh and English
> names rather than the more frequently / locally used version, how would I
> know what the preferred name actually was?
> 
> 

> 
> Saludos
> 
> Miguel
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
I'm a Welsh mapper, born here, in an English speaking part of Wales, south 
Pembrokeshire.

I must admit that I hadn't even thought about the Welsh/English thing, since it 
never was an issue for me. I've always just mapped what was there.

As far as the dominance/superiority of English, we're (or at least I am, in my 
late 50's) used to it and pretty much ignore it. Personally I don't care. But 
I've also encountered some people in Aber who cared intensely. Let them; life 
is short.

I agree the WIKI is mostly a guide, (like the pirate) code). and I've often 
tried to reference it and sometimes been more confused after than before. 
Mostly, I've been informed though.

I map what I know, locally. I don't seagull (which is really annoying, as 
there's really no such thing as a "seagull" species, but I guess you knew that. 
Right?) map, or, Bing map, unless it's bloody obvious. (Re: Pokemon).

Anyway, that's my view as a Welsh mapper.

That said. People wanting to improve the map should be given all the help 
available and a confusing WIKI is of no help at all.

Feel free to contact me for other random thoughts.

Lostmike
Wales
Saludos

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Uploader ensemble de waypoints d'un fichier GPX ?

2017-08-14 Thread Shohreh
Je n'ai pas trouvé comment faire pour que JOSM m'affiche les nodes qui posent
problème:

 

J'ai masqué les autres éléments (import GPX, données downloadées d'OSM par
Overpass), mais toujours impossible de voir où se trouvent les deux nodes.



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Re: [Talk-dk] Vroldvej

2017-08-14 Thread Asger Frank
Nemlig Jakob - din Vejdirektoratet-kildeangivelse er som man allerbedst kunne 
ønske, den var god at se i historikken. Og hvis man har tegnet så godt som sin 
source tillader er det jo altid rigtigt, og klar til evt. efterfølgende 
forbedringer.
Jeg ville endda ønske at efterfølgere blot lader det sourcetag stå, hvis der 
ikke ændres noget. 
Men altså, hvis der senere justeres på vejens forløb (til noget bedre, en tak 
nærmere virkeligheden), så at der angives konkrete kilde til dén justering. 
Helt efter hvad der i princippet er det vanlige princip.

- Asger
(AsgerFrank)

Den 14. aug. 2017 kl. 18.26 skrev Jakob Barfod :

>> From: Asger Frank [mailto:asg...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Altid rart med kilde i ændringssættet eller på objektet; så havde vi uden 
>> videre kunnet se denne.
> 
> Hej -
> 
> Det er mig, der oprindeligt tilføjede de nye til/frakørsler. Som det ses af
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/420844575/history
> 
> så angav jeg faktisk kilden til den oprindelige highway;
> 
> source = 
> http://www.vejdirektoratet.dk/DA/vejprojekter/sydvendte_ramper_H060.22/Sider/default.aspx
> 
> Jeg indtegnede ramperne, lige før konstruktionen gik i gang, som 
> highway=construction ved hjælp af Vejdirektoratets offentliggjorte kort samt 
> JOSM-plugin'et "PicLayer", men jeg har ikke været forbi efterfølgende for at 
> se og korrigere det endelige resultat.
> 
> Så når Lars Gravengaard  spørger 
> 
>> Er vi ikke enig om at ned kørsel er trukket alt for langt væk fra op 
>> kørslen? 
> 
> - så er svaret: Rampen er tegnet ind på baggrund af vejdorektoratets kort - 
> og i det omfang, der er uoverensstemmelse mellem Vejdirektoratets oplysninger 
> og virkeligheden, så er det virkeligheden, der vinder :-)
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikidata SPARQL service updated

2017-08-14 Thread François Lacombe
Hi

2017-08-14 11:18 GMT+02:00 mmd :

> Hi,
>
> Am 13.08.2017 um 19:49 schrieb Yuri Astrakhan:
>
> > * all ways now store "osmm:loc" with centroid coordinates, making it
> > possible to crudely filter ways by location
>
> out of curiosity, can you say a few words on how your overall approach
> to calculate centroids for ways? As we all know it's an endless pain to
> get that information out of minutely diffs :)
>

Out of curiosity, can you explain how relations are processed also ?
Is this relevant to look for a representative point for a relation or a
more complex search have to be done for specific members (roles) ?

I don't know Shapely enough to say if it can handle this standalone and it
would be greate to elaborate a bit what is done from line 260 to 280 of
osm2rdf.py :)


All the best

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[OSM-talk-be] N49 --> A11

2017-08-14 Thread Stijn Rombauts
Hoi,
Als er iemand niet weet wat doen: de N49 is de A11 aan het 
worden.http://wegenenverkeer.be/persberichten/19300-kilometerbordjes-worden-vervangen
StijnRR


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Re: [Talk-de] Farbe des Meeres in OSM-Carto

2017-08-14 Thread chris66

Am 14.08.2017 um 16:15 schrieb Markus:


derzeitige Farbe:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/v4.1.0/style.mss

#b5d0d0


Manchmal ist es aber auch rot. :-)

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/54.6472/8.0731

Könnte man auch mal beheben, denn mir ist keine andere Karte bekannt die 
das Meer rot darstellt.


Chris



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Re: [Talk-dk] Vroldvej

2017-08-14 Thread osm
I JOSM kan man tilvælge "SDFE Skærmkort". Her er vejen (også) synlig.


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> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 at 6:26 PM
> From: "Jakob Barfod" 
> To: "'OpenStreetMap Denmark'" 
> Subject: Re: [Talk-dk] Vroldvej
>
> > From: Asger Frank [mailto:asg...@gmail.com] 
> >
> > Altid rart med kilde i ændringssættet eller på objektet; så havde vi uden 
> > videre kunnet se denne.
> 
> Hej -
> 
> Det er mig, der oprindeligt tilføjede de nye til/frakørsler. Som det ses af
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/420844575/history
> 
> så angav jeg faktisk kilden til den oprindelige highway;
> 
> source = 
> http://www.vejdirektoratet.dk/DA/vejprojekter/sydvendte_ramper_H060.22/Sider/default.aspx
> 
> Jeg indtegnede ramperne, lige før konstruktionen gik i gang, som 
> highway=construction ved hjælp af Vejdirektoratets offentliggjorte kort samt 
> JOSM-plugin'et "PicLayer", men jeg har ikke været forbi efterfølgende for at 
> se og korrigere det endelige resultat.
> 
> Så når Lars Gravengaard  spørger 
> 
> > Er vi ikke enig om at ned kørsel er trukket alt for langt væk fra op 
> > kørslen? 
> 
> - så er svaret: Rampen er tegnet ind på baggrund af vejdorektoratets kort - 
> og i det omfang, der er uoverensstemmelse mellem Vejdirektoratets oplysninger 
> og virkeligheden, så er det virkeligheden, der vinder :-)
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Re: [Talk-dk] Vroldvej

2017-08-14 Thread Jakob Barfod
> From: Asger Frank [mailto:asg...@gmail.com] 
>
> Altid rart med kilde i ændringssættet eller på objektet; så havde vi uden 
> videre kunnet se denne.

Hej -

Det er mig, der oprindeligt tilføjede de nye til/frakørsler. Som det ses af

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/420844575/history

så angav jeg faktisk kilden til den oprindelige highway;

source = 
http://www.vejdirektoratet.dk/DA/vejprojekter/sydvendte_ramper_H060.22/Sider/default.aspx

Jeg indtegnede ramperne, lige før konstruktionen gik i gang, som 
highway=construction ved hjælp af Vejdirektoratets offentliggjorte kort samt 
JOSM-plugin'et "PicLayer", men jeg har ikke været forbi efterfølgende for at se 
og korrigere det endelige resultat.

Så når Lars Gravengaard  spørger 

> Er vi ikke enig om at ned kørsel er trukket alt for langt væk fra op kørslen? 

- så er svaret: Rampen er tegnet ind på baggrund af vejdorektoratets kort - og 
i det omfang, der er uoverensstemmelse mellem Vejdirektoratets oplysninger og 
virkeligheden, så er det virkeligheden, der vinder :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 99, Issue 7

2017-08-14 Thread Ciarán Staunton
Greetings

To answer Dave's last question first, *I'm in to help in whatever way
possible*. I can attend any of the dates suggested, and  I can arrange an
appropriate venue for them to take place if that is needed. I've been
around the process of setting up companies etc. and served as a company
secretary before (though I can't ultimately be that for OSM).

I think Martín's comment is a good concern to have. However, I believe that
OSMF wants local chapters formally set up, composed of responsible groups
in each country to make accountable decisions about how the maps of each
country evolve, and to have oversight of licencing, manage upload efforts,
interpret increasing sources of open data and organizing truly OPEN (yes I
just shouted) meetings that are well publicised, and held in appropriate
venues to allow lots of different map stakeholders attend. I think that you
have hit the nail on the head in terms of the sequencing. A healthier
sequence of informal meetings drawing in people who are interested is a
good way to *lead in*, but the other thing is inevitable. Not everyone has
to go forward for participating on the structure, but anyone who does would
be accountable to everyone else.

Back to what Dave said. My forty two cents on the issues set out at the top
are:
- Groups like this need monthly or bi-monthly networking, bi-annual speaker
sessions and an AGM and anything else is based on energy. Mostly I think
the informality doesn't assist the activities members have away from the
table. I find myself teaching OSM to schools, without only two or three
members interested in that experience. Brian gave a super talk to the
Geneology Society about boundaries which he hasn't had a chance to do for
us, Dave has headed off to talk to the OGP, Dermot is doing propeller stuff
... literally.. you get the picture. These talks should be between
ourselves initially, with a feeling for what is then used to engage others.
Each SOTM conference concludes that face to face engagement is key for
success, that then goes outwards and invites new people in... each national
group does it... Ireland has no good reason to stand outside that.

- The new mapper engagement needs a schools/colleges exposure and some sort
of recruitment plan, with a sense of how particular skills and experiences
are constantly required to boost the community. Obviously we need to be
present in the sector with more regular participation at IRLOGI and that
sort of forum. There are also professional bodies for Engineers, Planners,
and Geographers who would fling their doors open if we could supply this
sort of engagement. There are also NGOs who would love to have a group to
liaise with, and Point here is that we need to increase the engagement in
these sectors, and we cant do that with the present structure in my
opinion. These are the things that increase the numbers of contributors and
ultimately the usefulness of the map.

- Getting out of Dublin is necessary if there's demand outside Dublin. I
think Maynooth is a good venue as a compromise for the west (don't laugh
its pragmatic). I think you cant get a compromise for the likes of Cork
other than to decamp down to Cork but only if there's demand. I don't think
its unreasonable to use something easy like Meetups or Eventbrite to
confirm attendance and ensure those who end up travelling are travelling
with good cause, and its easy for people to cancel right up until the last
second. That hasn't always been the case.

I don't mean to sound negative here, nor pat anyone on the back.
Considering the great work done over the years before I got involved
there's plenty worthwhile to talk about and co-ordinate our efforts on, and
that is befitting a proper level of organisation to support the goals
raised. None of the things Dave mentioned are difficult to do, they just
take a little time and consideration.

Looking forward to other views.
















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Re: [Talk-de] Farbe des Meeres in OSM-Carto

2017-08-14 Thread Christoph Hormann

Vergaß zu erwähnen: Es gibt auch eine Voransicht - die allerdings so 
weit ich mich erinnere auch noch Änderungen enthält, die bis jetzt noch 
nicht im master sind:

http://bl.ocks.org/math1985/raw/af7a602c222dbf1ff1a2c0d84ed755b7/#5.00/49.725/9.249

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Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: Re: Edits in Wales

2017-08-14 Thread Miguel Sevilla-Callejo
El 14/8/2017 14:42, "Andy Townsend"  escribió:

Hi Miguel,

A question.  Many places in Wales are predominantly Welsh- or predominantly
English-speaking.  For somewhere like https://www.openstreetmap.org/
node/3378387351 , if "name" was a compound of both the Welsh and English
names rather than the more frequently / locally used version, how would I
know what the preferred name actually was?


Of course there could be places as nodes it could have an English or Welsh
name as their more common one. A survey is needed for that.

Anyway an neutral approach is right from my point of view and I was talking
mainly about street names.


Currently the answer is easy - look at the "name" tag.  If "name" is
instead a compound, how do you suggest a map consumer - or someone just
looking at a map - should do that?


Yes


There are several places in the World like some regions in Spain, as I said
before, where we use this approach.

I guess some of you don't like only for eastetic problem and I'm afraid
some could think Welsh is a minor or not serious language (even within the
BBC in London some think so...)

Anyway there is no reason to have the most frequently situation I found:
name=English; name:cy=Welsh_name. In this situation Welsh is been relegated
to a second place. Then, at least we have to add a "name:en" and later
let's think what to do with "name" tag. It's cristal clear for me.

No more comments about the arbitrary and unilateral change in the wiki.
It's amazing! I'm telling that in Spanish community and they couldn't
believe.

Saludos

Miguel


Best Regards,

Andy



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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: Re: FYI: Body záchrany v pražských lesích

2017-08-14 Thread Jan Martinec

On 08/14/2017 05:08 PM, Jiří Sedláček wrote:

Ahoj,
ve své době byly lampy dostupný v GIS IZS ČR. Bohužel ta vrstva byla před
nějakou dobou zlikvidována.
Je tam pořád, ale už jen pro složky - není veřejně viditelná. (A stejně 
byla vždycky čistě "k nahlédnutí," bez licence k použití jinde)


HPM


Asi je to fakt cenné (tj. zpeněžitelné).

j.



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Re: [Talk-dk] Vroldvej

2017-08-14 Thread Asger Frank
Altid rart med kilde i ændringssættet eller på objektet; så havde vi uden 
videre kunnet se denne.

Vh. Asger 
(AsgerFrank)

--Den 13. aug. 2017 kl. 15.48 skrev o...@workmail.com:

Du kan se vejen her:
https://servicelist.kortforsyningen.dk/show_sample.aspx?maptype=WMS=orto_foraar_temp=true=newwin
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikidata SPARQL service updated

2017-08-14 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
mmd, the centroids are calculated with this code, let me know if there is a
better way, I wasn't aware of any issues with the minute data updates.
  wkb = wkbfab.create_linestring(obj)
  point = loads(wkb, hex=True).representative_point()
https://github.com/nyurik/osm2rdf/blob/master/osm2rdf.py#L250

Your query is correct, and you are right that (in theory) there shouldn't
be any ways without the center point. But there has been a number of ways
with only 1 point, causing a parsing error "need at least two points for
linestring". I will need to add some special handling for that
(suggestions?).

You can see the error by adding this line:
   OPTIONAL { ?osmId osmm:loc:error ?err . }
The whole query --  http://tinyurl.com/ydf4qd62  (you can create short urls
with a button on the left side)

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 5:18 AM, mmd  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Am 13.08.2017 um 19:49 schrieb Yuri Astrakhan:
>
> > * all ways now store "osmm:loc" with centroid coordinates, making it
> > possible to crudely filter ways by location
>
> out of curiosity, can you say a few words on how your overall approach
> to calculate centroids for ways? As we all know it's an endless pain to
> get that information out of minutely diffs :)
>
> I have to say that I'm pretty much unfamiliar with SPARQL and just tried
> the following query. My expectation was that I won't get any results,
> making me wonder if my query has some issue?
>
> SELECT * WHERE {
>   ?osmId osmm:type 'w' .
>   FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?osmId osmm:loc ?osmLoc }.
> } LIMIT 100
>
>
> BTW: A quick search on Github yielded the following:
> https://github.com/nyurik/osm2rdf. Would that be the right place to look
> for more details?
>
> Best,
> mmd
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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: Re: FYI: Body záchrany v pražských lesích

2017-08-14 Thread Jan Martinec

On 08/14/2017 04:48 PM, Jan Martinec wrote:

-- Přeposlaná zpráva --
Od: "Jan Martinec" >
Datum: 14. 8. 2017 16:36
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] FYI: Body záchrany v pražských lesích
Komu: "gorn" >
Kopie:

Bohužel ne.

Takhle kompletní evidenci lamp i s veřejným označením si vede jen Eltodo (nebo
kdo to teď pro Prahu spravuje), vede si ji pro MHMP (takže vně Prahy se s tím
nepotkáte),

> a hlavně - data mají, ale nedají, páč je to prý unikátně cenné
> (zřejmě "zpeněžitelné"?) hou-nou.
Hm, tak koukám, že už to existuje i mimo Prahu (byť jsem venku dosud 
nepotkal) - leč hlavní bod stále drží: museli bychom si ty lampy 
zmapovat ambulantně, neboli chodecky. Možná zajímavý velkoprojekt, až 
dojdou turistické stezky ;)

Zdar,
HPM


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[Talk-cz] Fwd: Re: FYI: Body záchrany v pražských lesích

2017-08-14 Thread Jan Martinec
-- Přeposlaná zpráva --
Od: "Jan Martinec" 
Datum: 14. 8. 2017 16:47
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] FYI: Body záchrany v pražských lesích
Komu: "Michal Fabík" 
Kopie:

Jo, to je ono, leč wiki tvrdí, že jako highway je to deprecated. No nic,
zmapoval jsem to podobojí (a teď koukám, že sem do konference jsem to
napsal blbě a do mapy dobře, je to opravdu =emergency_access_point).
Telefonní číslo je tam 112 (plus 150+155+158), to myslím nemá smysl
zapisovat do mapy. (A ref je i duplicitně obsažen v name, aspoň mi to podle
vzhledu cedule i podle těch schémat tak připadá)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/51112724#map=13/50.0283/14.4740
Zdar,
HPM

Dne 14. 8. 2017 16:37 napsal uživatel "Michal Fabík" :

On 14.8.2017 16:17, Jan Martinec wrote:

>  zatím jsem je zmapoval v kunratickém lese jako
> highway=emergency
>

Ahoj,
zmapoval jsem jich v poslední době pár na nějakých místech na Moravě, kde
jsem na ně náhodně narazil a měl jsem za to, že jde o tohle:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point

Akorát co jsem se díval jinde, (i tuším třeba v Německu), tak je trochu
hokej v použití ref=* a toho emergency_telephone_code=* - podle wiki v
emergency_telephone_code=* má být telefonní číslo typu 112, na druhou
stranu říkat telefonnímu číslu "telephone code" je minimálně divné - možná
proto tam občas někdo píše to číslo z ref=*, tj. kód, který mám říct do
telefonu, aby operátor věděl, u které cedulky jsem.

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[Talk-cz] Fwd: Re: FYI: Body záchrany v pražských lesích

2017-08-14 Thread Jan Martinec
-- Přeposlaná zpráva --
Od: "Jan Martinec" 
Datum: 14. 8. 2017 16:36
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] FYI: Body záchrany v pražských lesích
Komu: "gorn" 
Kopie:

Bohužel ne.

Takhle kompletní evidenci lamp i s veřejným označením si vede jen Eltodo
(nebo kdo to teď pro Prahu spravuje), vede si ji pro MHMP (takže vně Prahy
se s tím nepotkáte), a hlavně - data mají, ale nedají, páč je to prý
unikátně cenné (zřejmě "zpeněžitelné"?) hou-nou.

Zdar,
HPM


Dne 14. 8. 2017 16:30 napsal uživatel "gorn" :

Mě přijde skoro zajímavější tohle

http://www.prazskypatriot.cz/stitky-na-lampach-pomahaji-zach
ranit-zivot-i-dopadnout-pachatele-matej-by-mohl-vypravet/

zřejmě půjde o dataset většiny lamp v ČR, takže by stačilo zjistit jestli
to má kompatibilní licenci.

Dne 2017-08-14 16:17, Jan Martinec napsal:

> Ahoj,
>
> Lesy Prahy zveřejnily sadu "Bodů záchrany" (tabulky typu "jsem u bodu
> AA007 a hoří tady"); zatím jsem je zmapoval v kunratickém lese jako
> highway=emergency, ale netroufám si to mapovat "od stolu" podle těch
> přehledových plánků.
> http://www.prazskypatriot.cz/navstevnikum-prazskych-lesu-je-
> nove-k-dispozici-29-bodu-zachrany/
>
> (btw zajímavé, že číslování začíná od ref AA003, že by měli někde
> "cvičný"?)
>
> Zdar,
> Honza Piškvor Martinec
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Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: Re: Edits in Wales

2017-08-14 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> On 14/08/2017 15:04, Marc Gemis wrote:
>>
>> So how can you determine the preferred name from looking at that sign ?
>
>
> From looking at the sign, you can't - but if you visit a place and open your
> eyes and ears it'll become pretty obvious.  If you walk into a shop or a
> post office in the pointy bits of north Wales I can pretty much guarantee
> that people will be speaking Welsh.  It would be unfair and unrepresentative
> to suggest that English has equivalence where that is the case.  Signs -
> particularly road signs - appear in two languages throughout, but that
> doesn't mean that in a particular area both languages are in equal usage.
>

So, yes, Wales is different than Brussels. Following your rule, it
would mean many streets would have a French name in Brussels (if not
all).
Which would then create a political incident :-)

> What you can't expect to do is jump in with a "global search and replace"
> such as https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/50943658 using level0 and
> not get complaints.

+1, I'll agree on that.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: Re: Edits in Wales

2017-08-14 Thread Andy Townsend

On 14/08/2017 15:04, Marc Gemis wrote:

So how can you determine the preferred name from looking at that sign ?


From looking at the sign, you can't - but if you visit a place and open 
your eyes and ears it'll become pretty obvious.  If you walk into a shop 
or a post office in the pointy bits of north Wales I can pretty much 
guarantee that people will be speaking Welsh.  It would be unfair and 
unrepresentative to suggest that English has equivalence where that is 
the case.  Signs - particularly road signs - appear in two languages 
throughout, but that doesn't mean that in a particular area both 
languages are in equal usage.


What you can't expect to do is jump in with a "global search and 
replace" such as https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/50943658 using 
level0 and not get complaints.


Best Regards,

Andy


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[Talk-cz] FYI: Body záchrany v pražských lesích

2017-08-14 Thread Jan Martinec

Ahoj,

Lesy Prahy zveřejnily sadu "Bodů záchrany" (tabulky typu "jsem u bodu 
AA007 a hoří tady"); zatím jsem je zmapoval v kunratickém lese jako 
highway=emergency, ale netroufám si to mapovat "od stolu" podle těch 
přehledových plánků.

http://www.prazskypatriot.cz/navstevnikum-prazskych-lesu-je-nove-k-dispozici-29-bodu-zachrany/

(btw zajímavé, že číslování začíná od ref AA003, že by měli někde "cvičný"?)

Zdar,
Honza Piškvor Martinec

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Re: [Talk-de] Farbe des Meeres in OSM-Carto

2017-08-14 Thread Markus
Hallo Christoph Hormann:

Herzlichen Dank - Du bist ja super schnell :-)

> derzeitige Farbe:
> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/v4.1.0/style.mss
#b5d0d0

> voraussichtlich nächste Version:
> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/style.mss
#aad3df

Gefällt mir gut.

Gruss, Markus

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Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: Re: Edits in Wales

2017-08-14 Thread Marc Gemis
Andy,

I'll agree that everything is not like in Belgium (luckily :-)  ). But
the screenshots Miguel showed, has street signs showing 2 names.
So how can you determine the preferred name from looking at that sign ?
And also preferred to who ?

If you someone manage to determine that in a purely objective way, you
can fill in the name. I fail to see how the process to determine the
preferred name works.
In this thread I only read something about a few mappers deciding that it is X.

regards

m.

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> On 14/08/2017 14:53, Marc Gemis wrote:
>>
>> Can I translate this to the Belgian situation to see if I understand
>> you correctly ?
>
>
> Marc,
>
> Everywhere is not like Belgium.  Could you try answering the question?
> Where there is a locally preferred name, how would I know what that was?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
>

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Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: Re: Edits in Wales

2017-08-14 Thread Andy Townsend

On 14/08/2017 14:53, Marc Gemis wrote:

Can I translate this to the Belgian situation to see if I understand
you correctly ?


Marc,

Everywhere is not like Belgium.  Could you try answering the question?   
Where there is a locally preferred name, how would I know what that was?


Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: Re: Edits in Wales

2017-08-14 Thread Marc Gemis
I don't understand this question. Who defines what the preferred name
is ? The people living in that street, neighborhood, village, Wales ?
Or the subset of mappers in any of those items ?

Can I translate this to the Belgian situation to see if I understand
you correctly ?

We came up with a solution where there is no preferred way for the
mapper, s/he writes in the name field what is on the street name sign
(nl & fr) and fills in the name:nl, name:fr fields. The data consumer
can then make a map with his/her preference.
Roughly 60% of the Belgian are Flemish and will prefer the nl-version.
But the majority of the inhabitants of Brussels (or certain
neighborhoods) are probably French speaking and well prefer the
fr-version. So "preferred" really depends on which group of people you
question.
Since this is rather subjective, writing down what you see on a sign
is much easier then starting a poll, not ?

regards

m.

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> Hi Miguel,
>
> A question.  Many places in Wales are predominantly Welsh- or predominantly
> English-speaking.  For somewhere like
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3378387351 , if "name" was a compound of
> both the Welsh and English names rather than the more frequently / locally
> used version, how would I know what the preferred name actually was?
>
> Currently the answer is easy - look at the "name" tag.  If "name" is instead
> a compound, how do you suggest a map consumer - or someone just looking at a
> map - should do that?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Edits in Wales

2017-08-14 Thread Miguel Sevilla-Callejo
I do not agree your change of the Wiki. You should ask before to do it.

At least you could add a link to this thread or something like "this issue
is under discussion".

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El 14/8/2017 14:30, "Richard Fairhurst"  escribió:

> I've fixed the wiki to reflect Chris's comments, given that he's a resident
> of Wales and has a long pedigree in creating the Welsh-language rendering
> so
> is better qualified than the rest of us to pronounce on this.[1] The much
> shorter text should hopefully also be easier for new mappers to follow.
>
>
> Marc Gemis wrote:
> > my conclusion: please do not map in the UK.
>
> Absolutely not - everyone is and should be welcome. But it's generally good
> practice in OSM, whatever the country, to "be liberal in what you add,
> conservative in what you change". If you find yourself changing vast
> swathes
> of existing data, you should generally ask yourself why it was as it was.
> Sometimes there's a good reason, but that reason is usually TIGER!
>
> Richard
>
> [1] though I'm not going to completely absent myself from this given that I
> partly have a degree in this stuff, as part of which I was fortunate enough
> to be taught by people who know more about Brittonic placenames than pretty
> much anyone ;)
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Edits in Wales

2017-08-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
I've fixed the wiki to reflect Chris's comments, given that he's a resident
of Wales and has a long pedigree in creating the Welsh-language rendering so
is better qualified than the rest of us to pronounce on this.[1] The much
shorter text should hopefully also be easier for new mappers to follow.


Marc Gemis wrote:
> my conclusion: please do not map in the UK.

Absolutely not - everyone is and should be welcome. But it's generally good
practice in OSM, whatever the country, to "be liberal in what you add,
conservative in what you change". If you find yourself changing vast swathes
of existing data, you should generally ask yourself why it was as it was.
Sometimes there's a good reason, but that reason is usually TIGER!

Richard

[1] though I'm not going to completely absent myself from this given that I
partly have a degree in this stuff, as part of which I was fortunate enough
to be taught by people who know more about Brittonic placenames than pretty
much anyone ;)



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[Talk-GB] Fwd: Re: Edits in Wales

2017-08-14 Thread Miguel Sevilla-Callejo
Ops, I see I reply these other two emails privately.

Despite the miss interpretation I guess it's useful to show my point of
view.

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De: "Miguel Sevilla-Callejo" 
Fecha: 14/8/2017 10:45
Asunto: Re: [Talk-GB] Edits in Wales
Para: "Marc Gemis" 
Cc:

Thank you for the clarification.
I didn't understand, LOL
Well, I could reply one by one which is Ok ;-)
Thanks

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El 14/8/2017 10:37, "Marc Gemis"  escribió:

> >
> > my conclusion: please do not map in the UK.
> >
>
> Sorry for not being more clear: this is not my advice. This what I
> feel this thread is passing as a message.
> it should be much easier to add /update any feature without having to
> consult the community to find out the hidden rules.
>
> regards
>
> m.
>
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Re: [Talk-de] Farbe des Meeres in Mapnik

2017-08-14 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 14 August 2017, Markus wrote:
> Welchen RGB-hex-Wert hat die Farbe des Meeres in Mapnik?
> Wo ist das definiert?

Erstmal ist der Begriff Mapnik hier vollkommen falsch, Mapnik ist ein 
Programm zum Rendering von Karten, da kann Meere in jeder Farbe und aus 
jeden beliebigen Daten darstellen.  Der Kartenstil, welcher die Farbe 
des Meeres bestimmt heißt OpenStreetMap-Standardstil oder 
OpenStreetMap-Carto.

Die derzeitige Farbe findet sich in:

https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/v4.1.0/style.mss

das wird sich aber vorraussichtlich in der nächsten Version ändern:

https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/style.mss

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[Talk-de] Farbe des Meeres in Mapnik

2017-08-14 Thread Markus
Welchen RGB-hex-Wert hat die Farbe des Meeres in Mapnik?
Wo ist das definiert?
Sind Seen und Flüsse in der selben Farbe?

Mit herzlichem Gruss,
Markus

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[Talk-GB] Fwd: Re: Edits in Wales

2017-08-14 Thread Miguel Sevilla-Callejo
I'm forwarding an email I sent only to Andy  by mistake yesterday.

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Asunto: Re: [Talk-GB] Edits in Wales
Para: 
Cc:

On 11/08/2017 17:19, Brian Prangle wrote:
>
> ...  and goes to the first source of what is seen to be the authoritative
> source - the wiki- to seek guidance,
>
>
> Unfortunately, the wiki isn't always "the authoritative source".  Articles
> written there include both "descriptive" and "prescriptive" ones - saying
> how mappers currently map things, and telling them how they _should_ map
> things.  When it comes to "how to map things" often there needs to be a
> discussion, because no one person has the whole picture.  Sometimes people
> writing wiki articles take great care to represent the different views
> where they exist and try and thread a consensus course through them (Harry
> Wood please take a bow at this point); and sometimes they don't.
>
> For example, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sidewalks says that "The
> simplest method is to tag the associated highway with sidewalk
> =both/left/right/no
> (none is sometimes used, but no is preferred
> )", despite
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/sidewalk#values showing that
> "none" is the more popular value.  I tried to make the wiki reflect usage
> but it was immediately changed back because "The statement never
> described predominant usage, but preferred usage. That hasn't changed.".
> Clearly someone thinks that _they_ know better than me and the majority of
> sidewalk mappers in OSM.  Rather than "insisting" it is correct as per
> https://www.xkcd.com/386/ I decided that life was too short.  I suspect
> that something rather similar has happened with regard to language tagging
> in Wales.
>
> and then asks, from etiquette, what the local community thinks,
>
>
> To be fair, from reading the emails it doesn't read to me like that was
> what was happening; it reads very much like he was telling everyone that
> disagreed with him that they were wrong without offering any reasoning
> beyond "the wiki says...".
>
> Unfortunately every multiple-language situation is complicated (and with a
> DWG hat on I've been involved in quite a few).  Some communities (Belgium
> being a notable early example) have settled on a compound "name" that
> doesn't reflect any language name on the ground but is intended to indicate
> that both have equal value; some - possibly the majority, but not by much -
> go with name as the "most used value" - so "Eteläinen Rautatiekatu" rather
> than the rather large mouthful "Eteläinen Rautatiekatu / Södra
> Järnvägsgatan"* for the street in Helsinki that I used to stay when working
> there, despite all street signs being bilingual.  Some have gone for
> locally-relevant variations of both.  However it's always the wishes of the
> local mappers that should hold most sway (and, again from personal
> experience with a DWG hat on, that can get difficult when one community is
> under-represented in OSM).
>
> *Can this discussion  specifically address what is wrong with the wiki
> page on Welsh placenames
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names#Wales
>  and suggest
> improvements?*
>
>
> I'd start by asking some more Welsh mappers!  So far we've had the person
> who created the original cyosm map arguing against a compound name, along
> with a number of (very) frequent visitors from England.  Other than the
> person who raised the issue we've not yet had much of a balancing
> population on the other side of the argument; but not everyone follows
> changeset discussion comments or this list.  When the status of Western
> Sahara was raised with the DWG I went through a fairly long process which
> started at https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=602864#
> p602864 to ensure that everyone's views could be taken on board and to
> make sure that no-one was missed - I made sure that ever mapper in the
> region who'd recently mapped affected objects had a comment in a changeset
> discussion (and if no reply a direct message) in what appeared to be their
> usual language.  Contacting _every_ mapper who's mapped in Wales is
> unlikely to be feasible but contacting a subset of regular mappers (perhaps
> based edit count > a certain value) and based on some sort of "edits in
> Wales" criterion could be doable, but based on the Western Sahara survey
> I'd expect that it'd be a sizable amount of effort; just putting up a "web
> survey" form somewhere and hoping people come to it won't cut it.
>
> If after that sort of discussion there's still opposition to "compound
> names" in Wales I'd suggest that an initial change to the wiki page would
> be the removal of the 

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Re: [Talk-it] OT domanda su Osmand

2017-08-14 Thread Carlo

Scusatemi per OT

Ho scaricato OsmAnd da F-Droid parecchie vesioni fa.
Ora ho provato ad aggiornarlo e ho visto che l'ultima versione 
disponibile è la 2.6.3, mentre su play store mi da la 2.7.5.
Perché non riesca a trovare e scaricare l'ultima versione? Ci sono altri 
che hanno il mio stesso problema?


Carlo
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Re: [Talk-GB] Latest OS Opendata

2017-08-14 Thread Chris Hill


On 09/08/2017 22:38, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:

On 9 August 2017 at 18:13, Chris Hill  wrote:

I have a rather strange explanation as to why Forestry Commission land is
not shown on the OS Open Greenspace dataset. OS Customer Services have
explained that they can't distinguish what woodland is Forestry Commission
from aerial imagery nor can they determine what the access is from such
imagery. This seems ridiculous but that is their answer.

I suspect that producing the Green Space map was forced upon OS by
politicians, so they've just taken whatever existing datasets they
have, and looked for polygon features that map to "Green Space" and
exported them. (Hence the odd choice to include Golf Courses, which
are mostly private.) Around me, the OS Green Space coverage is
particularly poor with a lot of the public green space in my town
missing. Much of the missing land in the town is owned by the District
Council, but there are also bits that are CRoW Access Land and
registered commons, which I'd have thought OS should know about. And
then there's the whole of Thetford Forest missing!


I think it still has some value as it stands.

Definitively. I've already found a couple of play areas hidden in
housing estates that I didn't know existed, that I'll need to go a
survey.

The killer feature would be doing a comparison with the OSM data and
showing discrepancies -- though that's much easier said than done!


Any more feedback will always be welcome.

Would you consider adding the CRoW Access Land as an additional layer?
(You can get the data under the OGL from
http://environment.data.gov.uk/ds/catalogue/#/catalogue under the
heading "CRoW Act 2000 - Access Layer".

If you're interested in adding even more datasets, the National Trust
has OGL data of it's "always open" land at
http://uk-nationaltrust.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/202ec400dfe9471aaf257e4b6c956394_0
, and the Forestry Commission make their Public Forest Estate
boundaries available under the OGL at
http://data-forestry.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/national-forest-estate-legal-boundary-england-2016/
and/or 
http://data-forestry.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/national-forest-estate-ownership-england-2016
(though there isn't public access to all of it). In both of these
datasets there will be overlap with the CRoW Access Land.

Robert,

Thanks for the ideas. As it was, it was put together quickly and wasn't 
very flexible. I have reorganised the way this works, though it looks 
about the same. This will make it a bit more responsive and easier to 
extend. I'll look at adding some more datasets. Every dataset is 
individual so needs to be handled in it's own way.


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cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikidata SPARQL service updated

2017-08-14 Thread mmd
Hi,

Am 13.08.2017 um 19:49 schrieb Yuri Astrakhan:

> * all ways now store "osmm:loc" with centroid coordinates, making it
> possible to crudely filter ways by location

out of curiosity, can you say a few words on how your overall approach
to calculate centroids for ways? As we all know it's an endless pain to
get that information out of minutely diffs :)

I have to say that I'm pretty much unfamiliar with SPARQL and just tried
the following query. My expectation was that I won't get any results,
making me wonder if my query has some issue?

SELECT * WHERE {
  ?osmId osmm:type 'w' .
  FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?osmId osmm:loc ?osmLoc }.
} LIMIT 100


BTW: A quick search on Github yielded the following:
https://github.com/nyurik/osm2rdf. Would that be the right place to look
for more details?

Best,
mmd


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[diversity-talk] Survey of OSM contributors

2017-08-14 Thread Rory McCann

Hi,

Someone's doing a survey looking at "Participation biases in OSM"


https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Geospa_gal/diary/42005

Might be interesting for people on this list.

Rory


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Re: [Talk-us] natural=* and landuse=* multipolygons at the urban interface

2017-08-14 Thread Nathan Mixter
Steve is indeed correct. ID isn't really designed as an editor of
complex relations since it is browser based. In JOSM, you can select
the relation and all the members
and easily see how the elements interact. That being said, it is fine
to simplify the FMMP relationships by splitting them into smaller
parts like you did or even to delete
the relationships altogether. Especially in Orange County, it might be
easier just to delete it.

The FMMP data are designed primarily to focus on farms. The original
designation of "farm" has now been changed to "farmland".
Unfortunately it doesn't break it
down further to separate things like orchards and vineyards. The data
are usually pretty good in separating farmland from everything else.
But the everything else is where
it gets vague. The FMMP data are not designed to break down landcover
designations like grassland, scrub, meadows or woods.
In that sense, it really isn't a landcover import.

Even with true landcover imports like Corine, the distinction between
what is classified a certain way is often arbitrary compared with what
you would expect to find by
looking at imagery.

Often the FMMP landcovers and landuses will be grouped together as non
farm land. Not too helpful for OSM purposes. If there is no actual
farmland like in the area
around Orange County it makes sense just to delete it entirely since
nothing is gained if the area covered is too broad.

Nathan


<
Development in Orange County, California pushes into areas currently
covered by polygons (often large multipolygons) tagged as natural=scrub,
landuse=meadow, or landuse=[farm|farmland]. These were part of the FMMP
import http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/California_Farms.

Mostly I try to leave those large multipologons alone, because I don't feel
confident I can handle them properly, and because I'm using iD (due to
using a Chromebook), where relation handling is rudimentary.

But I'd like to update the urban-wildland boundary, where new suburban
developments are pushing into former wildland, farmland, or (historical?)
"grazing land". See for example the new development (with 2017 imagery
recently added to Bing)
athttp://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=16/33.5352/-117.6034.

Editing these huge multipolygons, and reviewing others' edits to them,
becomes very cumbersome, at least to me. It seems to me probably sensible
and reasonable at the urban edge to split off small parts of these
multipolygons, e.g. at roads, to make the smaller bits easier to edit and
review in the context of the expanding urban edge.


As one test / demonstration edit
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/51090963), I carved off a bit
of
natural=scrub from a large outer role of a multipolygon, into its own
polygon. I manually added new boundary way segments, stitched them together
into the existing ways, copied tags, and made the split-off piece its own
polygon, independent of its original parent multipolygon. I did the split
at an existing highway=residential object (Golden Ridge Lane).

I know, I should find a way to use JOSM, which I expect makes this much
easier. :)

Meanwhile, does this seem a reasonable approach to making the urban
interface a bit more manageable in the future? I.e. splitting off parts of
large multipolygons (so long as they don't have names or other unique
identifiers that matter, just generic tags things like natural=scrub), to
make future editing easier?

I know for the above example of a new residential area, I could make a
landuse=residential island, and make it an inner role in the surrounding
landuse=meadow multipolygon. But at some point as the urban sprawl expands,
it seems to me it makes more sense to stop pretending the area is dominated
by the natural features, and make it clear it's dominated by e.g.
landuse=residential, with possibly interspersed natural features like scrub.


What would the group suggest?

Is my test edit reasonable, or should it be reverted?

Thanks,
David


P.S. As an aside (not my main point today), the FMMP-based distinction in
this area between scrub and meadow seems awfully arbitrary. I could be
mistaken, but I don't believe the "meadow" is actually used today for
grazing nor feed harvesting, and in the aerial photography, it appears
indistinguishable from the adjacent "scrub". It appears (and I'm nearly
certain from driving by) that there's both substantial grass and
substantial woody plant cover, in similar ratios in both "meadow" and
"scrub".

I don't believe there's any current agricultural use of that land, at least
not near where I'm giving examples today. There might be some
large-acreage, semi-wildland grazing or feed harvesting activity remaining
in Orange County, but I've not noticed any.

As documented in the FMMP wiki
pagehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/California_Farms, the FMMP
designation
"Grazing Land" was mapped to landuse=meadow.

But the FMMP designation of "Grazing Land" explicitly does not mean that

[Talk-in] The OSM street network is more than 80% complete

2017-08-14 Thread Naveen Francis
In India, study has assumed 3million kms of roads.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/amb_santacruz/diary/42057


Thanks,
naveenpf
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Re: [Talk-cz] nahrávání fotek rozcestníků

2017-08-14 Thread Marián Kyral
Netuším. Zkusil bych chvíli počkat, třeba to je jen nějaký dočasný problém.

Marián

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Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Datum: 14. 8. 2017 10:52:30
Předmět: [Talk-cz] nahrávání fotek rozcestníků
"chtěl jsem nahrát fotky rozcestníků, ale po nahrání několika fotek mi další
nahrávat nejdou, tlačítko se pořád točí ale nic se nenahrává.

Co se děje?
Pražák
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Demande d'avis sur une idée de "défi du mois"

2017-08-14 Thread Frédéric Rodrigo

Le 09/08/2017 à 22:26, Vincent Privat a écrit :
Ah oui et sans oublier que Christian a fait le boulot de l'IGN à leur 
place :)

http://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/bornes-geodesiques-ign/

Est-ce que le jeu de données est "branché" sur osmose ?


Non, je n'ai pas réussit à utiliser le nouveau jeux de données de 
Christian à la place de l'initial que j'avais fait... j'ai pourtant bien 
cherché à le faire, mais j'ai lâché l'affaire.


Frédéric.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Demande d'avis sur une idée de "défi du mois"

2017-08-14 Thread Alain VASSAULT
Pour cela que personnellement je les intègre "sur place".
Exemple un repère sur un mur: je l'ajoute sur le mur sur OSM, le tag (ref, 
etc...). Après la localisation étant connue on pourrait ajouter la position du 
mur, la tolérance de précision sur le positionnement étant précisée dans les 
fiches on pourrait l'appliquer dans le "calibrage" de carte lié à ces points.
Voilà à quoi je pensais au début ^^

Pour les datas IGN mon contact, qui on peut dire est responsable des datas, va 
ce rapprocher du responsable Infra pour étudier les fichiers déjà disponible 
sur opendata.gouv et voir pour automatiser un extract sous ces formats. Sachant 
que la mise à jour de leur DB est quotidienne en nocturne, si ils automatise 
l'extract en post traitement des mises à jour cela pourrait être pas mal ^^

Pour Christian, vu que c'est toi qui a fait le commit sur opendata.gouv, ils 
vont peut être te contacter pour les fichiers.
Je peut te donner les infos sur mon contact en PV si tu veux.

Tranquille

Le 14 août 2017 09:25:42 GMT+02:00, "Stéphane Péneau" 
 a écrit :
>De mémoire, les repères de nivellement n'ont pas été importés car la 
>précision x/y était trop mauvaise.
>
>Stf
>
>Le 09/08/2017 à 17:42, Alain VASSAULT a écrit :
>>
>> Importation de masse ok, mais on est loin d'une intégration complète.
>>
>> Je vient de check une zone un peu dire connue et avec du monde sur 
>> place PARIS et environ.
>>
>> - 381 poi vue sur over-pass (ma requête visible sur ma capture
>d'écran)
>>
>> Capture over-pass: 
>> https://framapic.org/IrksWAbZIb7g/rNWN0Gf91c99.PNG
>>
>> - 1371 repère de nivellement + 483 site géodesique (pouvent contenir 
>> plusieurs points) sur le site de l'IGN
>>
>> Capture carte IGN Paris et environ: 
>> https://framapic.org/4Qun37Dqosdm/JO5iR7v2FOGe.PNG
>>
>> Capture carte IGN avec sélection et donc info "panier": 
>> https://framapic.org/DzHCQgePQ4n5/wylPnWFYHgSy.PNG
>>
>> Visiblement après lecture il se basais sur des fiches HTML (qui 
>> n'existe plus), et des fiches PDF sur un ftp (déjà plus accessible à 
>> l'époque de l'article).
>>
>> Aujourd'hui on ne peut extraire en PDF que les points mis en panier, 
>> si plusieurs points dans le panier, l'ensemble des fiches PDF sont 
>> fusionnée en un seul PDF (peut prendre du temps à être généré et 
>> proposé au téléchargement au navigateur.
>>
>> Je sais que j'ai créer dans OSM tous les points de mon village ainsi 
>> que les points du village de mes beau parents car aucun n'existait.
>>
>> Je me suis fait une extraction des fiches pour tout mon secteur et je
>
>> tenterais d'arpenter, créer dans OSM, et faire la mise à jour fiche 
>> dès que ma santé et ma famille me libérera du temps ^^.
>>
>> Tranquille
>>
>> Le 09/08/2017 à 16:29, Vincent Privat a écrit :
>>> Un peu de lecture s'impose:
>>>
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_France/Rep%C3%A8res_G%C3%A9od%C3%A9siques
>>>
>>> Les repères ont été importés en masse il y a un moment. S'il en 
>>> manque dans ton secteur c'est probablement qu'ils ont été supprimés 
>>> accidentellement.
>>> L'IGN n'a jamais rendu facile l'accès aux fiches et on a toujours du
>
>>> trouver des hack pour y avoir accès.
>>> Il faudrait que le service géodésie fasse une publication officielle
>
>>> des données brutes sur le site de l'IGN ou sur data.gouv.fr 
>>>  pour remédier à ce problème.
>>>
>>> Ensuite, une maintenance collaborative est une excellente idée, 
>>> j'espère voir un partenariat OSM-FR / IGN dans ce sens :)
>>>
>>> Le 9 août 2017 à 15:46, Alain VASSAULT 
>>> >> > a écrit :
>>>
>>> Bonjour, j'aurai une idée de défis du mois.
>>>
>>> Tout le monde ici connais l'IGN.
>>> Il y a un peu partout des repères géodésique (repérage
>horizontal
>>> d'un point précis) et de nivellement (repérage horizontal et
>>> vertical d'un point précis).
>>> Grâce à ces dit point de repère, l'IGN peut établir les cartes
>>> que l'on connait.
>>> Dans mon secteur (sens/Yonne) il y a, au pifometre, 1/10 de ces
>>> points présent sur OSM.
>>> De plus, par manque d'arpenteur et de finance, l'IGN à du mal à
>>> mettre à jour les fiches descriptives de leur base.
>>>
>>> Je me disais que si on s'y mettais tous ensemble, on pourrait
>>> créer tout ces points dans OSM et participer à la mise à jour
>des
>>> fiches.
>>>
>>> Je suis en relation directe par courriel avec le chef de l'unité
>>> de mise à jour des fiches qui serait ravis d'une telle aide
>>> (surtout pour les fiches sans photos, sachant que les photos ne
>>> sont obligatoires que depuis l'année 2000).
>>>
>>> Il vient de me confirmer que toutes les données des fiches
>>> (photos comprise) sont Open data (il faudrait que je lui demande
>>> sous quelle licence ?).
>>>
>>> Je suis prêt à centraliser les propositions de 

[Talk-cz] nahrávání fotek rozcestníků

2017-08-14 Thread Zdeněk Pražák
chtěl jsem nahrát fotky rozcestníků, ale po nahrání několika fotek mi další
nahrávat nejdou, tlačítko se pořád točí ale nic se nenahrává.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Kruhový objezd

2017-08-14 Thread Marián Kyral
Tak dá se očekávat, že nějakým způsobem tam bude zajištěn přístup. I ten
kruháč už může být nějakým způsobem hotový a částečně zprovozněný, ale bez
nějakých detailnějších informací se aktuální stav strašně špatně zakresluje
(není to ještě na KM ani satelitních fotkách) a navíc se může situace
strašně rychle změnit.

Takže teoreticky by šla zakreslit stavba toho kruháče, ale úplné zakreslení
bude asi možné až po zprovoznění.

Marián

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No, za mě je to celé podivné.

Nezdá se mi, že by kvůli stavbě I/14 zůstaly uzavřené obě staré propojení
mezi Kunraticemi a Lukášovem a za další, že by nemovitosti na ul. Lučanské
byly rok bez obsluhy.


hanoj




Dne 13. srpna 2017 20:19 marek  napsal(a):
"
https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=19/50.74725/15.13576=d
(https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=19/50.74725/15.13576=d)

 

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Ahoj,
nějaká přesnější informace by nebyla? Třeba souřadnice? Nebo si otevři
odkaz: https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=19/50.72850/15.15350=d
(https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=19/50.72850/15.15350=d) -
posuň mapu na správné místo a pošli zpátky kompletní url.
Jel jsem tamtudy (Liberec - Jablonec) o Velikonocích a žádnou stavbu si
tam nevybavuji.

Díky,
Marián

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>> Na budoucí silnici 1/14 není zakreslen budoucí kruhový objezd. Kdo to
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Re: [Talk-cz] Kruhový objezd

2017-08-14 Thread Marek Polák

Ano.
Marek Polák



Dne 14. srpna 2017 9:53:05 AM  napsal:


To je tohle?

http://forum.ceskedalnice.cz/viewtopic.php?f=138=1953=100

J.

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No, za mě je to celé podivné.
Nezdá se mi, že by kvůli stavbě I/14 zůstaly uzavřené obě staré propojení
mezi Kunraticemi a Lukášovem a za další, že by nemovitosti na ul. Lučanské
byly rok bez obsluhy.

hanoj

Dne 13. srpna 2017 20:19 marek  napsal(a):


https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=19/50.74725/15.13576=d



Marek Polák



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> Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
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>
Ahoj,
nějaká přesnější informace by nebyla? Třeba souřadnice? Nebo si otevři
odkaz: https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=19/50.72850/15.15350=d -
posuň mapu na správné místo a pošli zpátky kompletní url.
Jel jsem tamtudy (Liberec - Jablonec) o Velikonocích a žádnou stavbu si
tam nevybavuji.

Díky,
Marián

Dne 12.8.2017 v 12:23 Marek Polák napsal(a):
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>
>
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> Dne 12. srpna 2017 12:16:41 PM Marek Polák 
> napsal:
>
>> Na budoucí silnici 1/14 není zakreslen budoucí kruhový objezd. Kdo to
>> umí,
>> tak to tam doplňte.
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Re: [Talk-cz] Kruhový objezd

2017-08-14 Thread jozka
To je tohle?

http://forum.ceskedalnice.cz/viewtopic.php?f=138=1953=100

J.

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>
>No, za mě je to celé podivné.
>Nezdá se mi, že by kvůli stavbě I/14 zůstaly uzavřené obě staré propojení
>mezi Kunraticemi a Lukášovem a za další, že by nemovitosti na ul. Lučanské
>byly rok bez obsluhy.
>
>hanoj
>
>Dne 13. srpna 2017 20:19 marek  napsal(a):
>
>> https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=19/50.74725/15.13576=d
>>
>>
>>
>> Marek Polák
>>
>>
>>
>> __
>> > Od: Marián Kyral 
>> > Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
>> > Datum: 13.08.2017 17:40
>> > Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Kruhový objezd
>> >
>> Ahoj,
>> nějaká přesnější informace by nebyla? Třeba souřadnice? Nebo si otevři
>> odkaz: https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=19/50.72850/15.15350=d -
>> posuň mapu na správné místo a pošli zpátky kompletní url.
>> Jel jsem tamtudy (Liberec - Jablonec) o Velikonocích a žádnou stavbu si
>> tam nevybavuji.
>>
>> Díky,
>> Marián
>>
>> Dne 12.8.2017 v 12:23 Marek Polák napsal(a):
>> > Je to u města Jablonec nad Nisou
>> > Marek Polák
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dne 12. srpna 2017 12:16:41 PM Marek Polák 
>> > napsal:
>> >
>> >> Na budoucí silnici 1/14 není zakreslen budoucí kruhový objezd. Kdo to
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>> >> tak to tam doplňte.
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Re: [Talk-cz] Kruhový objezd

2017-08-14 Thread Marek Polák
Není to podivné. Stará silnici ( ta klikatá) je průjezdná jen pro místní v 
době výstavby nové silnice ( ta rovná).

Marek Polák



No, za mě je to celé podivné.
Nezdá se mi, že by kvůli stavbě I/14 zůstaly uzavřené obě staré propojení
mezi Kunraticemi a Lukášovem a za další, že by nemovitosti na ul. Lučanské
byly rok bez obsluhy.

hanoj

Dne 13. srpna 2017 20:19 marek  napsal(a):


https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=19/50.74725/15.13576=d



Marek Polák



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> Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
> Datum: 13.08.2017 17:40
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>
Ahoj,
nějaká přesnější informace by nebyla? Třeba souřadnice? Nebo si otevři
odkaz: https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=19/50.72850/15.15350=d -
posuň mapu na správné místo a pošli zpátky kompletní url.
Jel jsem tamtudy (Liberec - Jablonec) o Velikonocích a žádnou stavbu si
tam nevybavuji.

Díky,
Marián

Dne 12.8.2017 v 12:23 Marek Polák napsal(a):
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>
>
>
> Dne 12. srpna 2017 12:16:41 PM Marek Polák 
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>
>> Na budoucí silnici 1/14 není zakreslen budoucí kruhový objezd. Kdo to
>> umí,
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2017-08-14 Thread Ha Noj
No, za mě je to celé podivné.
Nezdá se mi, že by kvůli stavbě I/14 zůstaly uzavřené obě staré propojení
mezi Kunraticemi a Lukášovem a za další, že by nemovitosti na ul. Lučanské
byly rok bez obsluhy.

hanoj

Dne 13. srpna 2017 20:19 marek  napsal(a):

> https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=19/50.74725/15.13576=d
>
>
>
> Marek Polák
>
>
>
> __
> > Od: Marián Kyral 
> > Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
> > Datum: 13.08.2017 17:40
> > Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Kruhový objezd
> >
> Ahoj,
> nějaká přesnější informace by nebyla? Třeba souřadnice? Nebo si otevři
> odkaz: https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=19/50.72850/15.15350=d -
> posuň mapu na správné místo a pošli zpátky kompletní url.
> Jel jsem tamtudy (Liberec - Jablonec) o Velikonocích a žádnou stavbu si
> tam nevybavuji.
>
> Díky,
> Marián
>
> Dne 12.8.2017 v 12:23 Marek Polák napsal(a):
> > Je to u města Jablonec nad Nisou
> > Marek Polák
> >
> >
> >
> > Dne 12. srpna 2017 12:16:41 PM Marek Polák 
> > napsal:
> >
> >> Na budoucí silnici 1/14 není zakreslen budoucí kruhový objezd. Kdo to
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Demande d'avis sur une idée de "défi du mois"

2017-08-14 Thread Stéphane Péneau
De mémoire, les repères de nivellement n'ont pas été importés car la 
précision x/y était trop mauvaise.


Stf

Le 09/08/2017 à 17:42, Alain VASSAULT a écrit :


Importation de masse ok, mais on est loin d'une intégration complète.

Je vient de check une zone un peu dire connue et avec du monde sur 
place PARIS et environ.


- 381 poi vue sur over-pass (ma requête visible sur ma capture d'écran)

Capture over-pass: 
https://framapic.org/IrksWAbZIb7g/rNWN0Gf91c99.PNG


- 1371 repère de nivellement + 483 site géodesique (pouvent contenir 
plusieurs points) sur le site de l'IGN


Capture carte IGN Paris et environ: 
https://framapic.org/4Qun37Dqosdm/JO5iR7v2FOGe.PNG


Capture carte IGN avec sélection et donc info "panier": 
https://framapic.org/DzHCQgePQ4n5/wylPnWFYHgSy.PNG


Visiblement après lecture il se basais sur des fiches HTML (qui 
n'existe plus), et des fiches PDF sur un ftp (déjà plus accessible à 
l'époque de l'article).


Aujourd'hui on ne peut extraire en PDF que les points mis en panier, 
si plusieurs points dans le panier, l'ensemble des fiches PDF sont 
fusionnée en un seul PDF (peut prendre du temps à être généré et 
proposé au téléchargement au navigateur.


Je sais que j'ai créer dans OSM tous les points de mon village ainsi 
que les points du village de mes beau parents car aucun n'existait.


Je me suis fait une extraction des fiches pour tout mon secteur et je 
tenterais d'arpenter, créer dans OSM, et faire la mise à jour fiche 
dès que ma santé et ma famille me libérera du temps ^^.


Tranquille

Le 09/08/2017 à 16:29, Vincent Privat a écrit :

Un peu de lecture s'impose:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_France/Rep%C3%A8res_G%C3%A9od%C3%A9siques

Les repères ont été importés en masse il y a un moment. S'il en 
manque dans ton secteur c'est probablement qu'ils ont été supprimés 
accidentellement.
L'IGN n'a jamais rendu facile l'accès aux fiches et on a toujours du 
trouver des hack pour y avoir accès.
Il faudrait que le service géodésie fasse une publication officielle 
des données brutes sur le site de l'IGN ou sur data.gouv.fr 
 pour remédier à ce problème.


Ensuite, une maintenance collaborative est une excellente idée, 
j'espère voir un partenariat OSM-FR / IGN dans ce sens :)


Le 9 août 2017 à 15:46, Alain VASSAULT 
> a écrit :


Bonjour, j'aurai une idée de défis du mois.

Tout le monde ici connais l'IGN.
Il y a un peu partout des repères géodésique (repérage horizontal
d'un point précis) et de nivellement (repérage horizontal et
vertical d'un point précis).
Grâce à ces dit point de repère, l'IGN peut établir les cartes
que l'on connait.
Dans mon secteur (sens/Yonne) il y a, au pifometre, 1/10 de ces
points présent sur OSM.
De plus, par manque d'arpenteur et de finance, l'IGN à du mal à
mettre à jour les fiches descriptives de leur base.

Je me disais que si on s'y mettais tous ensemble, on pourrait
créer tout ces points dans OSM et participer à la mise à jour des
fiches.

Je suis en relation directe par courriel avec le chef de l'unité
de mise à jour des fiches qui serait ravis d'une telle aide
(surtout pour les fiches sans photos, sachant que les photos ne
sont obligatoires que depuis l'année 2000).

Il vient de me confirmer que toutes les données des fiches
(photos comprise) sont Open data (il faudrait que je lui demande
sous quelle licence ?).

Je suis prêt à centraliser les propositions de mises à jour pour
qu'il ne se fasse pas flooder sa boîte professionnelle.

Pour mise à jour, je recommande un tableau avec la ref/nom du
repère, une photo geo-référencée, et un commentaire pour d'écrire
le repère (toujours en relief ou non, peut être caché par la
végétation, non trouvé).

Pour la photo il demande certains pré requis :
- représenter le repère dans son environnement proche (distance
de prise de vue entre 3 et 10 mètres et de préférence en
perspective),
- centrée sur le repère
- format 4/3 horizontal
- résolution de l'image supérieure ou égale à 640x480

Les fiches actuelle sont consultables sur leur site
http://geodesie.ign.fr/fiches/index.php?module=e=visugeod


Il y a même une aide pour la consultation :
http://geodesie.ign.fr/fiches/Aide_serveur_de_fiches_v2.pdf

Même si je crois m'être fait la remarque qu'elle n'était pas à jour.


J'ai commencé à le faire dans mon coin en me disant qu'avec ces
repère geo-référencé de confiance cela pourrait permettre de
mieux calé les couches pour OSM, et les repères de nivellement
une idée de l'élévation du terrain et apporter une base pour
qu'osm puisse faire des cartes avec les