Re: [OSM-talk] stalking, or stepping on someone's toes (area) ?
It is also possible to see changes in a certain area at this page: https://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/ If you do an on-the-ground survey of bus stops you can use some quality tools. For example, a GPS handheld device Garmin eTrex Touch 35, a portable digital camera Sony RX100, a portable quad-copter for aerial images DJI Spark with a portable helipad (no affiliation to any). This equipment fits into a small urban backpack and lasts forever. Or you can use just a smartphone with a photo-camera. You can make quality HD images of bus stops, so that their titles are readable. Then apply the geographical coordinates from the GPS handheld device to the images, - it could be done automatically. The aerial images from Spark do have coordinates by itself. You may publish these images to the Wikimedia commons category for this village or a district of a town, and add the image link to the bus stop on the OSM map. So your survey would be well documented, and it would be hard to argue that there is no bus stop at this place, if you provide the ground photo of the stop with the stop's name and the GPS coordinates, an aerial image of this stop, so that its location relative to other objects is clearly visible. You can also go around the bus stop 3 - 4 times slowly while recording a GPS trace with the GPS handheld device. The you can publish this GPS trace to the OpenStreet map. And you and others will see clearly where the bus stop is located. It would be much better then go into the logic of "my word against his word". Best regards, Oleksiy (Alex-7@OSM) On 9/19/19 23:34, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: Are there programs that are spying on me, like they do in wikipedia – wikidata in real time, that is see what i am doing , or is there a way of seeing point edits by name, that is every time someone edits, adds a certain named point ? Every time i go out on the bus (no car) a few miles from my on the ground area and see things like new bus stops, etc. when i get back to my computer i add them to the map if they were of course not there, and every time someone comes along and changes things or adds things in that area based on tracing and not real time. also i get messages from the same person with bus stops saying i have done it wrong without telling where it is a rule, it seems this one person controls all bus routes in a 3,446square miles area, but does not add all the stops and “the bus will stops anywhere along the route where it is safe to do so” and these are where i pick up the bus and there not all on his downloaded list or live map. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop (correction)
Correction to my last email. Below is the correct text. Sorry about that.--If I understand your question correctly, the route number is part of a "relation". Go to the link below. https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=23/39.54962/-104.99612With your mouse, select the Bus Stop node. Look to the left side of your screen. Scroll down to see the tags attached to this Bus Stop.Below the tags, you will see a relation in blue font. In this case the route number is, "RTD Route 0". If you scroll over the blue font text with your cursor you will see the road lights up in blue.The route number is placed in the route relation.See, "Adding a bus route to OpenStreetMap" here;https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses#Adding_a_bus_route_to_OpenStreetMap-Original Message- From: 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru Sent: Sep 20, 2019 9:03 PM To: Jack Armstrong Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop ok! but where is the route number, if i am looking at a map i need to know what route, if i am standing there i know what road i am on. From: Jack Armstrong via talk Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 8:45 PM To: osm Cc: Jack Armstrong Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop local_ref can be used for a platform numberhttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport%3Dstop_positionhttps://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=23/39.54962/-104.99612___talk mailing listtalk@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk www.theaveragenomad.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop
If I understand your question correctly, the route number is part of a "relation". Go to the link below. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport%3Dstop_positionWith your mouse, select the Bus Stop node. Look to the left side of your screen. Scroll down to see the tags attached to this Bus Stop.Below the tags, you will see a relation in blue font. In this case the route number is, "RTD Route 0". If you scroll over the blue font text with your cursor you will see the road lights up in blue.The route number is placed in the route relation.See, "Adding a bus route to OpenStreetMap" here;https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses#Adding_a_bus_route_to_OpenStreetMap-Original Message- From: 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru Sent: Sep 20, 2019 9:03 PM To: Jack Armstrong Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop ok! but where is the route number, if i am looking at a map i need to know what route, if i am standing there i know what road i am on. From: Jack Armstrong via talk Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 8:45 PM To: osm Cc: Jack Armstrong Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop local_ref can be used for a platform numberhttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport%3Dstop_positionhttps://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=23/39.54962/-104.99612___talk mailing listtalk@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop
local_ref can be used for a platform number https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport%3Dstop_position https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=23/39.54962/-104.99612 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop
On 9/21/19, 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote: > yes the iD > > if i put in the route no. in the name space, the wiki's say that is wrong or > the route no is optional. Do you mean, in the name field of the highway=bus_stop node? The name of a highway=bus_stop should be the name of the bus stop, not the route number of the bus line that stops there. Use a route relation with type=route, route=bus to add the route number: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route%3Dbus This is done because some bus stops are used by more than one route. However, you can also use a different tag to add the reference number of the route on the highway=bus_stop object. There is a tag route_ref=* which is pretty common, though it's not yet been documented on the wiki: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/route_ref So if you have a bus stop and the sign says "bus stop number 1234" and it's for bus route A1, you could tag this way: highway=bus_stop ref=1234 route_ref=A1 But ideally you might also make a type=route + route=bus relation too, because most database users are not going to know about route_ref - Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: bus stop
Ok ! it is “hail and ride” but i am in the USA, we do not say it that way, as it say’s you put it on the way, road line i have been using the point, and putting it on the side of the road. but our signs have numbers on it. the fields are wrong for our standards, and the only field that shows on the standard web edit map is name. all i know to use is the ID edit. From: Joseph Eisenberg Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 5:44 PM To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop If a bus stop sign has a number, you can add this to the highway=bus_stop node with ref=* BTW, I wouldn’t call “hail and ride” part of tyr public_transport proposal. As the link shows, it’s clearly a separate proposal. But it sounds sensible, and I agree that if a route has no fixed stops it makes sense to just create a route relation and only add the first and last stop as highway=bus_stop. That’s what works here in Indonesia, where most local buses will pick up or drop off passengers anywhere along the route. Joseph On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 3:14 AM Johnparis < ok...@johnfreed.com > wrote: >If the bus route does not have fixed stops, it is a hail-and-ride route, > not a fixed-stop route. Public Transport v2 takes both possibilities into > account. > >The route relation should include all the road segments involved, and the > relevant segments should have the role: >hail_and_ride > >See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hail_and_ride > >As to the name vs number, the agreed naming convention is pretty clearly > spelled out in PTv2. Usually something like this: > >For the route master ... Bus 2: City Hall <-> Library (or you can > use <=> or ↔) >For one variant ... Bus 2: City Hall -> Library (or you can use => > or →) >For another variant ... Bus 2: Library -> City Hall > >etc. > >I have ridden buses in many US cities (although never a hail-and-ride) > and they fit nicely into this format. > >The line number itself goes in the ref tag in the route > relation. > > > > > >On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 5:03 PM john whelan > < jwhelan0...@gmail.com > wrote: >>I'm not sure this is quite the place for this discussion but Europe >>also has some bus routes that pick up and drop off on request. Just >>don't map none existent stops. >> >>Ottawa Canada has fixed stops as do many other locations in North >>America. >> >>I suggest you try to map following the wiki map features. If >>someone is changing your tags then discuss the matter with them as is the >>traditional way to resolve the problem. >> >>Cheerio John >> >>On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:46 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- >>via talk, < talk@openstreetmap.org > >>wrote: >>>europe vs. united states, >>> >>>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport%3Dplatform >>> >>>1. does not match the way we catch the bus in the usa and the fields >>> are to strict. >>> >>>2. is a place where i will stand to catch the bus, sign or no sign >>> etc. >>> >>>3. the map point reflects the area and stops are not set in stone but >>> is based on a driver etc. >>> >>>4. bus stops are numbered routes as on the sign, the fields do not >>> reflect or allow for this, just the name, >>> >>>the standard web edit map reflects points not route lines, google >>> puts in a no. not a line. >>> >>>looking at a map numbers are more important than names and not all >>> stops have names like >>> >>>someone's driveway. >>> >>> ___ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop
"the only field that shows on the standard web edit map is name"
Are you talking about the editor called "iD" which you open when
clicking "Edit" at the top of the page?
If you would like to request that iD adds support for reference
numbers ("ref") for highway=bus_stop you can do that at
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/ - but please search first
to see if this has been discussed or proposed previously, before
creating a new "issue" to request this feature.
You should also check what the wiki page says about bus stops:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=bus_stop
- It looks like "ref=*" is already suggested for the Reference
(number) of the bus stop, so it shouldn't be a problem.
Joseph Eisenberg
On 9/21/19, 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote:
>
> Ok !
>
> it is “hail and ride” but i am in the USA, we do not say it that way, as it
> say’s you put it on the way, road line
>
> i have been using the point, and putting it on the side of the road.
>
> but our signs have numbers on it.
>
> the fields are wrong for our standards, and the only field that shows on
> the standard web edit map is name.
>
> all i know to use is the ID edit.
>
>
>
>
> From: Joseph Eisenberg
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 5:44 PM
> To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing
> list
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop
>
> If a bus stop sign has a number, you can add this to the highway=bus_stop
> node with ref=*
>
> BTW, I wouldn’t call “hail and ride” part of tyr public_transport proposal.
> As the link shows, it’s clearly a separate proposal. But it sounds sensible,
> and
> I agree that if a route has no fixed stops it makes sense to just create a
> route
> relation and only add the first and last stop as highway=bus_stop.
>
> That’s what works here in Indonesia, where most local buses will pick up or
> drop off passengers anywhere along the route.
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 3:14 AM Johnparis
> < ok...@johnfreed.com > wrote:
>>If the bus route does not have fixed stops, it is a hail-and-ride route,
>> not a fixed-stop route. Public Transport v2 takes both possibilities into
>>
>> account.
>>
>>The route relation should include all the road segments involved, and the
>> relevant segments should have the role:
>>hail_and_ride
>>
>>See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hail_and_ride
>>
>>As to the name vs number, the agreed naming convention is pretty clearly
>> spelled out in PTv2. Usually something like this:
>>
>>For the route master ... Bus 2: City Hall <-> Library (or you can
>> use <=> or ↔)
>>For one variant ... Bus 2: City Hall -> Library (or you can use =>
>> or →)
>>For another variant ... Bus 2: Library -> City Hall
>>
>>etc.
>>
>>I have ridden buses in many US cities (although never a hail-and-ride)
>> and they fit nicely into this format.
>>
>>The line number itself goes in the ref tag in the route
>> relation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 5:03 PM john whelan
>> < jwhelan0...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>I'm not sure this is quite the place for this discussion but Europe
>>>also has some bus routes that pick up and drop off on request. Just
>>>don't map none existent stops.
>>>
>>>Ottawa Canada has fixed stops as do many other locations in North
>>>America.
>>>
>>>I suggest you try to map following the wiki map features. If
>>>someone is changing your tags then discuss the matter with them as is
>>> the
>>>traditional way to resolve the problem.
>>>
>>>Cheerio John
>>>
>>>On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:46 AM 80hnhtv4agou---
>>>via talk, < talk@openstreetmap.org >
>>>wrote:
europe vs. united states,
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport%3Dplatform
1. does not match the way we catch the bus in the usa and the fields
are to strict.
2. is a place where i will stand to catch the bus, sign or no sign
etc.
3. the map point reflects the area and stops are not set in stone but
is based on a driver etc.
4. bus stops are numbered routes as on the sign, the fields do not
reflect or allow for this, just the name,
the standard web edit map reflects points not route lines, google
puts in a no. not a line.
looking at a map numbers are more important than names and not all
stops have names like
someone's driveway.
___
>
___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop
If a bus stop sign has a number, you can add this to the highway=bus_stop node with ref=* BTW, I wouldn’t call “hail and ride” part of tyr public_transport proposal. As the link shows, it’s clearly a separate proposal. But it sounds sensible, and I agree that if a route has no fixed stops it makes sense to just create a route relation and only add the first and last stop as highway=bus_stop. That’s what works here in Indonesia, where most local buses will pick up or drop off passengers anywhere along the route. Joseph On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 3:14 AM Johnparis wrote: > If the bus route does not have fixed stops, it is a hail-and-ride route, > not a fixed-stop route. Public Transport v2 takes both possibilities into > account. > > The route relation should include all the road segments involved, and the > relevant segments should have the role: > hail_and_ride > > See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hail_and_ride > > As to the name vs number, the agreed naming convention is pretty clearly > spelled out in PTv2. Usually something like this: > > For the route master ... Bus 2: City Hall <-> Library (or you can use <=> > or ↔) > For one variant ... Bus 2: City Hall -> Library (or you can use => or →) > For another variant ... Bus 2: Library -> City Hall > > etc. > > I have ridden buses in many US cities (although never a hail-and-ride) and > they fit nicely into this format. > > The line number itself goes in the ref tag in the route relation. > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 5:03 PM john whelan wrote: > >> I'm not sure this is quite the place for this discussion but Europe also >> has some bus routes that pick up and drop off on request. Just don't map >> none existent stops. >> >> Ottawa Canada has fixed stops as do many other locations in North America. >> >> I suggest you try to map following the wiki map features. If someone is >> changing your tags then discuss the matter with them as is the traditional >> way to resolve the problem. >> >> Cheerio John >> >> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:46 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk, < >> talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: >> >>> europe vs. united states, >>> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport%3Dplatform >>> >>> 1. does not match the way we catch the bus in the usa and the fields are >>> to strict. >>> >>> 2. is a place where i will stand to catch the bus, sign or no sign etc. >>> >>> 3. the map point reflects the area and stops are not set in stone but is >>> based on a driver etc. >>> >>> 4. bus stops are numbered routes as on the sign, the fields do not >>> reflect or allow for this, just the name, >>> >>> the standard web edit map reflects points not route lines, google puts >>> in a no. not a line. >>> >>> looking at a map numbers are more important than names and not all stops >>> have names like >>> >>> someone's driveway. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop
If the bus route does not have fixed stops, it is a hail-and-ride route, not a fixed-stop route. Public Transport v2 takes both possibilities into account. The route relation should include all the road segments involved, and the relevant segments should have the role: hail_and_ride See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hail_and_ride As to the name vs number, the agreed naming convention is pretty clearly spelled out in PTv2. Usually something like this: For the route master ... Bus 2: City Hall <-> Library (or you can use <=> or ↔) For one variant ... Bus 2: City Hall -> Library (or you can use => or →) For another variant ... Bus 2: Library -> City Hall etc. I have ridden buses in many US cities (although never a hail-and-ride) and they fit nicely into this format. The line number itself goes in the ref tag in the route relation. On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 5:03 PM john whelan wrote: > I'm not sure this is quite the place for this discussion but Europe also > has some bus routes that pick up and drop off on request. Just don't map > none existent stops. > > Ottawa Canada has fixed stops as do many other locations in North America. > > I suggest you try to map following the wiki map features. If someone is > changing your tags then discuss the matter with them as is the traditional > way to resolve the problem. > > Cheerio John > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:46 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk, < > talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > >> europe vs. united states, >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport%3Dplatform >> >> 1. does not match the way we catch the bus in the usa and the fields are >> to strict. >> >> 2. is a place where i will stand to catch the bus, sign or no sign etc. >> >> 3. the map point reflects the area and stops are not set in stone but is >> based on a driver etc. >> >> 4. bus stops are numbered routes as on the sign, the fields do not >> reflect or allow for this, just the name, >> >> the standard web edit map reflects points not route lines, google puts in >> a no. not a line. >> >> looking at a map numbers are more important than names and not all stops >> have names like >> >> someone's driveway. >> >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop
I'm not sure this is quite the place for this discussion but Europe also has some bus routes that pick up and drop off on request. Just don't map none existent stops. Ottawa Canada has fixed stops as do many other locations in North America. I suggest you try to map following the wiki map features. If someone is changing your tags then discuss the matter with them as is the traditional way to resolve the problem. Cheerio John On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:46 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk, < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > europe vs. united states, > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport%3Dplatform > > 1. does not match the way we catch the bus in the usa and the fields are > to strict. > > 2. is a place where i will stand to catch the bus, sign or no sign etc. > > 3. the map point reflects the area and stops are not set in stone but is > based on a driver etc. > > 4. bus stops are numbered routes as on the sign, the fields do not reflect > or allow for this, just the name, > > the standard web edit map reflects points not route lines, google puts in > a no. not a line. > > looking at a map numbers are more important than names and not all stops > have names like > > someone's driveway. > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop
europe vs. united states, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport%3Dplatform 1. does not match the way we catch the bus in the usa and the fields are to strict. 2. is a place where i will stand to catch the bus, sign or no sign etc. 3. the map point reflects the area and stops are not set in stone but is based on a driver etc. 4. bus stops are numbered routes as on the sign, the fields do not reflect or allow for this, just the name, the standard web edit map reflects points not route lines, google puts in a no. not a line. looking at a map numbers are more important than names and not all stops have names like someone's driveway. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] stalking, or stepping on someone's toes (area) ?
19 Sep 2019, 23:34 by talk@openstreetmap.org: > also i get messages from the same person with bus stops saying i have done it > wrong > > without telling where it is a rule > Is (s)he sending private messages or commenting in edit discussions in changesets? In the first case - I would ask for more detail/explanation. In the second case - can you link this changesets with such comments? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.23.0
OpenStreetMap Carto (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has released version v4.23.0 today. Changes include: - The low priority layers were changed to use the same labeling algorithm as the other layers This fixes a bug which rendered `parking` icons twice, among others. - Restored rendering of landcover text labels on points For some time some features mapped as nodes, like sports_centres, did not have a label. - Adjust `aerodrome` initial & final zoom levels Aerodrome text labels start a little later, but also continue to higher zoom levels - Adjusted width of `hedge` & `citywall` up to z20, adjusted hedge color - Increased `office=` initial zoom level to z18 and moved some undocument or deprecated values to z19 - Created new layer for `ref` of `highway=residential/unclassified/track` (#3709) Changes `ref` to standard halo-radius, oblique font, and same size as `name` at >z17 - Added fill colors for `wetland=mangrove/saltmarsh/reedbed` Also adds salt dots pattern for `wetland=saltmarsh` Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. For a full list of commits, see https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/compare/v4.22.0...v4.23.0 We welcome any bug reports at https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues, and we welcome new contributors who might be interested in solving one of the many open issues. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
