Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

If mappers are permitted to create numerous new ways based solely on a painted 
surface, intersections will become completely choked with lanes and will become 
unmanageable.

In the given example, turns were already permitted prior to the additional 
superfluous lanes being added. This creates confusion and unnecessary clutter 
and should not be encouraged. The intersection was fine before the addition of 
the highway links. The new links add nothing to the map other than clutter.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?changeset=70997250#map=20/39.57344/-104.98491

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[OSM-talk] Burger King in ID

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

When I try to tag something as the fast-foot chain, Burger King in ID, the preset Burger King logo pops up as an upside down "Stranger King" symbol. 

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[OSM-talk] tourism=attraction, attraction=animal, animal=lion

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

When I tag an animal attraction at a zoo, I use the tags, for example, tourism=attraction, attraction=animal, animal=lion.

However, on the wiki page; Tag: tourism=zoo, a user is directed to use, for example, name=African Elephant.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dzoo#Animal

This seems very much incorrect to me as a name should be used for a name only. Example; name=Jumbo or name=Winnie.

OSM wiki quote, “The names should be restricted to the name of the item in question only and should not include additional information not contained in the official name such as categories, types, descriptions, addresses, refs, or notes.“

An African Elephant is a type of elephant, not the name of an elephant. A White Lion is a type of lion, not the name of a lion.

I plan to make edits to the wiki pages concerning this, but I thought I’d toss this idea out there for comment. I’ll also post this on the discussion page. I post this here because the discussion pages don’t seem to attract much discussion.

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[Talk-us] Louisville, Kentucky deleted roads & rail

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Any local experts in the Louisville, Kentucky area?A new user, River Ridge, started editing in Louisville seven days ago and appears to have deleted quite a bit of material. I've heard he's a good guy who didn't mean to do anything malicious, but it looks like he could use some help. Some reverts are probably in order. You might want to take a close look at each of his edits.You can see the damage from one changeset here:https://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=67628370I figured it'd be best if someone from this area could step in and assist him.Cheers!

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Re: [OSM-talk] junction=yes

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Thank you for the good information, Johnparis. Apparently, the wiki for junction=yes has now been modified for clarity.-Original Message-
From: Johnparis 
Sent: Jan 27, 2019 2:48 AM
To: Talk 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] junction=yes

It's pretty clear that the intention of this tag is only for junctions that have a name. It was part of this proposal:https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Named_spots_instead_of_street_namesI think it would be appropriate to add some background to the wiki, and in particular to clarify the "When not to use" section.https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3DyesOn Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 11:27 PM Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com <jacknst...@sprynet.com> wrote:Some users are adding junction=yes to every intersection, large or small. This seems very much incorrect to me. Is there a definitive answer as to whether this is correct or not?https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/-0.17531/-78.48083

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[OSM-talk] junction=yes

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Some users are adding junction=yes to every intersection, large or small. This seems very much incorrect to me. Is there a definitive answer as to whether this is correct or not?https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/-0.17531/-78.48083

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Re: [OSM-talk] Tag:barrier=kerb

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Cheers :)-Original Message-
From: "Joel H." 
Sent: Dec 14, 2018 7:07 PM
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Tag:barrier=kerb


  

  
  
This was something I also found confusing, I have updated the
  wiki page with an image that shows how it works.

On 15/12/18 2:09 am, Jack Armstrong
      dan...@sprynet.com wrote:


  
  
  Thanks, Bryan :)

-Original
  Message-
  
  From: Bryan Housel 

Sent: Dec 14, 2018 10:06 AM

    To: "Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com" 
  
  Cc: osm-talk 

Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Tag:barrier=kerb


The
arrows indicate the “down” direction alongside
certain kinds of ways.
For example, cliffs, coastlines, retaining walls,
kerbs, guard rails, embankments.

If the arrows are pointing to the “up” side instead
of the “down” side, you can reverse the way.


Thanks, Bryan
  
  
  
  

  
On Dec 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM,
          Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com
  <jacknst...@sprynet.com>
  wrote:


  I see something (new?) which I
haven't seen before. Small white arrows
with the tag:barrier=kerb when
editing with ID. What do the arrows
indicate? I don't see a reference on the
wiki.


Thanks
  :)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Tag:barrier=kerb

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Thanks, Bryan :)-Original Message-
From: Bryan Housel 
Sent: Dec 14, 2018 10:06 AM
To: "Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com" 
Cc: osm-talk 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Tag:barrier=kerb

The arrows indicate the “down” direction alongside certain kinds of ways.For example, cliffs, coastlines, retaining walls, kerbs, guard rails, embankments.If the arrows are pointing to the “up” side instead of the “down” side, you can reverse the way.Thanks, BryanOn Dec 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com <jacknst...@sprynet.com> wrote:I see something (new?) which I haven't seen before. Small white arrows with the tag:barrier=kerb when editing with ID. What do the arrows indicate? I don't see a reference on the wiki.Thanks :)www.theaveragenomad.com___talk mailing listtalk@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talkwww.theaveragenomad.com

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[OSM-talk] Tag:barrier=kerb

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I see something (new?) which I haven't seen before. Small white arrows with the tag:barrier=kerb when editing with ID. What do the arrows indicate? I don't see a reference on the wiki.Thanks :)www.theaveragenomad.com

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Re: [OSM-talk] Any suggestions on how to handle these errors?

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Mateusz, I'm not very good with JOSM. I rarely use it. If it is easy, are you able to this? :)> Are geometries acceptable? Because adding building=yes to all of the is really easy-Original Message-
From: Mateusz Konieczny 
Sent: Dec 2, 2018 2:20 PM
To: 
Cc: OSM 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Any suggestions on how to handle these errors?


  

  
  
Are geometries acceptable? Because adding building=yes to all of the is really easy(at least in JOSM) but it is hard to say for me whatever geometries are good enough to keep them.Dec 2, 2018, 7:53 PM by jacknst...@sprynet.com:While chasing down some OSM Inspector-tagged errors, I found this. Any suggestions on how to handle so many mapping mistakes? Simply revert the changesets giving someone else the chance at a fresh start at a later date? Of course, I could contact the creator, but it looks like this mapper created a few changesets and then lost interest months ago. My experience is that he/she would not be keen to clean it up.Opinions?https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=589091276#map=18/9.96056/-84.14977  

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[OSM-talk] Any suggestions on how to handle these errors?

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While chasing down some OSM Inspector-tagged errors, I found this. Any suggestions on how to handle so many mapping mistakes? Simply revert the changesets giving someone else the chance at a fresh start at a later date? Of course, I could contact the creator, but it looks like this mapper created a few changesets and then lost interest months ago. My experience is that he/she would not be keen to clean it up.Opinions?https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=589091276#map=18/9.96056/-84.14977

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[OSM-talk] F4map has changed statues for the Halloween season

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Just for fun...f4map has changed the look of statues for the Halloween season. The jack-o-lanterns look great. If you look around, you should be able to find dead trees covered in cobwebs as well :)http://demo.f4map.com/#lat=39.7367298=-104.9882632=20=58.056=-138.838chachafishwww.theaveragenomad.com

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Re: [OSM-talk] 46 errors on OSM

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

By Colorado State Stadium, I assume you mean Hughes Stadium which was replaced by Canvas Stadium in 2017? It might also be referred to Sonny Lubick Field at Canvas Stadium. It has been updated.-Original Message-
From: Stadia Arcadia 
Sent: Sep 4, 2018 5:25 AM
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [OSM-talk] 46 errors on OSM

Hi, I found some errors on OSM, can anyone fix those?Missing stadiums:1 Colorado State Stadium2 Balikesir Atatürk Stadyumu3 Intility Arena4 Right to Dream Park5 Aalborg Portland Park6 Ariake Coliseum7 Estadio Centenario Ciudad de Quilmes8 Estadio Nacional de fútbol (Managua)9 Habiganj Adhunik Stadium10 U Arena11 Stadion Utama Gelora Bung Karno12 Spor Toto Akhisar Stadyumu13 Yeni Malatya Stadyumu14 King Saud University Stadium15 Nizhny Novgorod Stadium16 Kaliningrad Stadium17 Stade Kashala Bonzola18 East Bengal Ground19 Tau Devi Lal Football Stadium20 Jimma University Stadium21 Barbourfields Stadium22 Dinamo National Olympic Stadium (Minsk)23 Kottappadi Football Stadium24 Estadio de fútbol Municipal El Alto25 Ekana International Cricket Stadium26 Velayat Stadium (Semnan)27 Bangkok Arena28 Hamad bin Khalifa StadiumStadiums have been completely renovated:29 Estadio Nacional Dennis Martínez30 Generali Arena (Vienna)Demolished stadiums (should be removed):31 Stadio Sant'EliaMissing sports fields/athletics tracks:32 Estadio Akron33 Sakarya Atatürk Stadyumu34 Banc of California Stadium35 JYSK park36 Xinzhuang Baseball Stadium37 SunTrust Park38 Wallace Wade StadiumMissing stands:39 Stadion Bumi Sriwijaya40 Estadio Nemesio Díez41 Bornova Stadyumu42 Stade Charles-Mathon43 Toyota Stadium (Frisco)44 Estadio Olímpico Andrés Quintana Roo45 Estadio Julio Humberto GrondonaOne stand is much larger:46 Estadio Huancayo


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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Thank you and your team for the valuable assistance on this, Andy.The users who seem to be part of the team affecting the Denver area, are:Bonya_23premtemp2Irina KarachevtsevaBogDan_OlegovichAndreyhmkVictoria1901InessaZavadaukrainian_falconCheers! :)-Original Message-
From: Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com>
Sent: Apr 28, 2018 3:06 PM
To: Talk us <talk-us@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair


  

  
  

On 23/04/18 10:54, Jack Armstrong
  dan...@sprynet.com wrote:


  
  ... There are 6-8 new users who just started
editing in and around Denver. Circumstantial evidence seems to
indicagte they are part of a team in that they all started about
the same time, their edits are remarkably similar and they all
use the same changeset comment, "adding parking". They don't
respond to changeset comments.
  


Just as a heads-up to people in the US, the DWG is still
investigating changesets by these mappers.  One group of changes (by
Bonya_23) is currently being reverted in
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58500784 .

The reason, as noted in the changeset comment, is "see
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=4355762
and https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Bonya_23/blocks for laundry
list of issues; no communication".  Essentially other mappers have
tried again and again to contact this user, but nothing useful
happened.  Also, as you can see from the changeset discussion
comments, this mapper has had continual problems with "mapping
things that don't exist", and the lack of communication and poor
quality leaves us with no option but to revert.  The way that the
revert's done means that where other mappers have already tidied up
afterwards these tidyings won't be lost.

Best Regards,

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Hyperbole? Not at all. It appears in just the one changeset, 57914505, this user created approximately 5,800 untagged nodes. The user was contacted, but does not respond. There are 6-8 new users who just started editing in and around Denver. Circumstantial evidence seems to indicagte they are part of a team in that they all started about the same time, their edits are remarkably similar and they all use the same changeset comment, "adding parking". They don't respond to changeset comments.In this changeset (not Denver), the user created some odd lines. Maybe they mean something, but I don't understand them. If the user replied, it would help to understand the user's edits. This does not look like, "added parking". I'm not hating on new users. I would love for them to join OSM and help map. All I'm saying is that there is a new group of mappers who are creating poor edits and will not communicate.https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?changeset=57918111#map=17/33.10686/-117.18078-Original Message-
From: Greg Morgan <dr.kludge...@gmail.com>
Sent: Apr 23, 2018 11:10 AM
To: "ajt1...@gmail.com" <ajt1...@gmail.com>
Cc: Talk <t...@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user	Nakaner-repair

On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 11:42 PM, ajt1...@gmail.com <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote:
  

  
  
On 23/04/2018 03:40, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com wrote:

  
  I fully support the efforts of Nakaner.
There are 6-8 users creating a mess in the Denver, Colorado
area.


What'd really help matters would be if local mappers could comment
on changesets by new mappers (both "good" and "bad").  I see that
someone's already commented on a couple of the "thousands of node
additions" that you're presumably referring to here (if that was you
- thanks!), but often locals are by far the best people to say "that
doesn't look correct".  See
https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/57929974 for an example near me
by one of the "organised" mappers that alerted GB and DE mappers to
the problems there.


  


See
here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=5538075288#map=19/39.71967/-104.98736Okay so Jack fully supports Nakaner.  He reports that 6-8 users are creating a mess in the Denver, Colorado area.  If we look at the node that Jack is pointing to, then we will see that Victoria1901, https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Victoria1901 has made 30 edits.  There are zero blocks against her.   Hyperbole!  Hyperbole!  So she didn't draw in the way.  Honestly, are we going to grow new mappers or not.  We have to let new people fail.  That's part of the learning process.  In the same area is chachafish, https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chachafish.  The user has 124,710 edits.  Is there something that you don't like?  So have I covered two of the 6-8 editors messing up Denver Colorado?Regards,Greg


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Re: [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair

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I fully support the efforts of Nakaner. There are 6-8 users creating a mess in the Denver, Colorado area.See here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=5538075288#map=19/39.71967/-104.98736-Original Message->From: EthnicFood IsGreat >Sent: Apr 22, 2018 11:28 PM>To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org>Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair>>> As a member of the US community, I'm in favor of reverting the bad >> edits, even if it removes some good contributions.>> Mark - Message: 1>> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 13:27:14 + (UTC)>> From: Mikel Maron >> To: Michael Reichert ,  Talk-us>> 	>> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair>> Message-ID: <232049907.3007698.1524317234...@mail.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"   blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Nakaner>> This is an epic effort and appreciated.>> But there are two things that need to be cleared up.>>>   The choice was to either accept that OSM>> is overrun by a army of sockpuppets who ignore us at all or to make the>> time/money they invest into editing a waste of time/money by reverting their edits even if it removes good contributions. That's sad but what is the alternative? It's not a binary choice. The alternative is to establish good dialogue with the communities you are monitoring (the US on this case), and make sure there is awareness and buy in to your proposed action. I don't think that would be difficult or time consuming but does take consideration of other mappers in OSM who you don't regularly communicate with.>>>   There is no formal policy yet but that doesn't mean that they can do what they want to do. If it is against the interests of the community, it's against the existing unwritten rules.>> There is no such thing that gives anyone the right for large scale vigilante actions. There is enough justification to potentially take action (after discussion and with proper communication) -- sock puppets for one -- that you don't need to invoke organized editing.   If and when we do have a policy, we in the osmf will also need to develop clear guidance on how it is communicated and implemented. Mikel On Friday, April 20, 2018, 8:22 PM, Michael Reichert  wrote: Hi, Am 20.04.2018 um 17:13 schrieb Ian Dees:>>> I noticed that user Nakaner-repair just reverted 1000+ changesets>>> throughout the United States without any discussion in the local community.>>> Nakaner-repair points to a thread in the German forum [0] that seems to>>> indicate that they think these edits were made by paid mappers. Having not>>> heard from those suspected paid mappers, they went ahead and reverted>>> without discussion from the local community.>> TL;DR A group of mappers (presumeably from UTC+5) started adding>> highway=service and doing wrong quality assurance on roads in Europe and>> the U.S. in mid/end of March. British and later German mappers found>> these strange edits last week, some German searched for more accounts,>> SomeoneElse and myself wrote changeset comments and SomeoneElse (DWG)>> blocked many on them. Unfortunately, the 0-hour user blocks are not as useful as they are>> usually (and I expected them to be). They have been ignored and they>> continued editing or created sockpuppets. Longer blocks were ignored and>> they continued editing after the block. Changeset comments were not>> answered or the response did not answer the question. Since this week, they don't do any QA on roads any more and only add>> highway=service in the U.S. They create new accounts if their old>> accounts are blocked. This pattern now repeats day by day and the last>> resort was to revert their work because that causes financial damage (I>> hope they get paid). Please see some inline comments/responses on Ian's questions below. ->> The full story: On 2018-03-29 Will Phillips writes to the Talk-gb mailing list that he>> observed "a series of edits with users removing or changing access and>> oneway tags". He describes the quality of these edits as "very poor". At>> that time "none of them has yet responded to changeset comments".>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2018-March/021259.html SomeoneElse suggests him to write an email to d...@osmfoundation.org>> (the DWG).>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2018-March/021260.html I am not subscribed to Talk-gb and did not notice it at that time. On 2018-04-09 tux67 creates a new thread on the German forum because he>> found two users (sri_harsha and Premsakhare) editing roads globally>> without local knowledge. He asks other 

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Hyperbole? Not at all. It appears in just the one changeset, 57914505, this user created approximately 5,800 untagged nodes. The user was contacted, but does not respond. There are 6-8 new users who just started editing in and around Denver. Circumstantial evidence seems to indicagte they are part of a team in that they all started about the same time, their edits are remarkably similar and they all use the same changeset comment, "adding parking". They don't respond to changeset comments.In this changeset (not Denver), the user created some odd lines. Maybe they mean something, but I don't understand them. If the user replied, it would help to understand the user's edits. This does not look like, "added parking". I'm not hating on new users. I would love for them to join OSM and help map. All I'm saying is that there is a new group of mappers who are creating poor edits and will not communicate.https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?changeset=57918111#map=17/33.10686/-117.18078-Original Message-
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Sent: Apr 23, 2018 11:10 AM
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Cc: Talk <talk@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user	Nakaner-repair

On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 11:42 PM, ajt1...@gmail.com <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote:
  

  
  
On 23/04/2018 03:40, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com wrote:

  
  I fully support the efforts of Nakaner.
There are 6-8 users creating a mess in the Denver, Colorado
area.


What'd really help matters would be if local mappers could comment
on changesets by new mappers (both "good" and "bad").  I see that
someone's already commented on a couple of the "thousands of node
additions" that you're presumably referring to here (if that was you
- thanks!), but often locals are by far the best people to say "that
doesn't look correct".  See
https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/57929974 for an example near me
by one of the "organised" mappers that alerted GB and DE mappers to
the problems there.


  


See
here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=5538075288#map=19/39.71967/-104.98736Okay so Jack fully supports Nakaner.  He reports that 6-8 users are creating a mess in the Denver, Colorado area.  If we look at the node that Jack is pointing to, then we will see that Victoria1901, https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Victoria1901 has made 30 edits.  There are zero blocks against her.   Hyperbole!  Hyperbole!  So she didn't draw in the way.  Honestly, are we going to grow new mappers or not.  We have to let new people fail.  That's part of the learning process.  In the same area is chachafish, https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chachafish.  The user has 124,710 edits.  Is there something that you don't like?  So have I covered two of the 6-8 editors messing up Denver Colorado?Regards,Greg


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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

I fully support the efforts of Nakaner. There are 6-8 users creating a mess in the Denver, Colorado area.See here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=5538075288#map=19/39.71967/-104.98736-Original Message->From: EthnicFood IsGreat >Sent: Apr 22, 2018 11:28 PM>To: talk...@openstreetmap.org>Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair>>> As a member of the US community, I'm in favor of reverting the bad >> edits, even if it removes some good contributions.>> Mark - Message: 1>> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 13:27:14 + (UTC)>> From: Mikel Maron >> To: Michael Reichert ,  Talk-us>> 	>> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair>> Message-ID: <232049907.3007698.1524317234...@mail.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"   blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Nakaner>> This is an epic effort and appreciated.>> But there are two things that need to be cleared up.>>>   The choice was to either accept that OSM>> is overrun by a army of sockpuppets who ignore us at all or to make the>> time/money they invest into editing a waste of time/money by reverting their edits even if it removes good contributions. That's sad but what is the alternative? It's not a binary choice. The alternative is to establish good dialogue with the communities you are monitoring (the US on this case), and make sure there is awareness and buy in to your proposed action. I don't think that would be difficult or time consuming but does take consideration of other mappers in OSM who you don't regularly communicate with.>>>   There is no formal policy yet but that doesn't mean that they can do what they want to do. If it is against the interests of the community, it's against the existing unwritten rules.>> There is no such thing that gives anyone the right for large scale vigilante actions. There is enough justification to potentially take action (after discussion and with proper communication) -- sock puppets for one -- that you don't need to invoke organized editing.   If and when we do have a policy, we in the osmf will also need to develop clear guidance on how it is communicated and implemented. Mikel On Friday, April 20, 2018, 8:22 PM, Michael Reichert  wrote: Hi, Am 20.04.2018 um 17:13 schrieb Ian Dees:>>> I noticed that user Nakaner-repair just reverted 1000+ changesets>>> throughout the United States without any discussion in the local community.>>> Nakaner-repair points to a thread in the German forum [0] that seems to>>> indicate that they think these edits were made by paid mappers. Having not>>> heard from those suspected paid mappers, they went ahead and reverted>>> without discussion from the local community.>> TL;DR A group of mappers (presumeably from UTC+5) started adding>> highway=service and doing wrong quality assurance on roads in Europe and>> the U.S. in mid/end of March. British and later German mappers found>> these strange edits last week, some German searched for more accounts,>> SomeoneElse and myself wrote changeset comments and SomeoneElse (DWG)>> blocked many on them. Unfortunately, the 0-hour user blocks are not as useful as they are>> usually (and I expected them to be). They have been ignored and they>> continued editing or created sockpuppets. Longer blocks were ignored and>> they continued editing after the block. Changeset comments were not>> answered or the response did not answer the question. Since this week, they don't do any QA on roads any more and only add>> highway=service in the U.S. They create new accounts if their old>> accounts are blocked. This pattern now repeats day by day and the last>> resort was to revert their work because that causes financial damage (I>> hope they get paid). Please see some inline comments/responses on Ian's questions below. ->> The full story: On 2018-03-29 Will Phillips writes to the Talk-gb mailing list that he>> observed "a series of edits with users removing or changing access and>> oneway tags". He describes the quality of these edits as "very poor". At>> that time "none of them has yet responded to changeset comments".>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2018-March/021259.html SomeoneElse suggests him to write an email to d...@osmfoundation.org>> (the DWG).>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2018-March/021260.html I am not subscribed to Talk-gb and did not notice it at that time. On 2018-04-09 tux67 creates a new thread on the German forum because he>> found two users (sri_harsha and Premsakhare) editing roads globally>> without local knowledge. He asks other 

Re: [OSM-talk] no_feature_tag_nodes

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Thanks for tip on the permalink. I didn't know I could use that ;)


-Original Message-
>From: Jochen Topf <joc...@remote.org>
>Sent: Apr 13, 2018 11:55 AM
>To: "Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com" <jacknst...@sprynet.com>
>Cc: OSM <talk@openstreetmap.org>
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] no_feature_tag_nodes
>
>On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 07:02:39AM +0400, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com 
>wrote:
>> OSM Inspector tags some individual address nodes as errors. For example, 
>> these
>> nodes located inside the lateral boundaries of buildings:
>> 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=5438712543#map=19/39.68899/-104.86454
>> 
>> I guess I'm reading it wrong, but I can't seem to locate anything 
>> specifically
>> on the wiki that refers to this. Is there some documentation I can refer to
>> which addresses this specific situation?
>
>Click on the litte (i) icon next to the "View" dropbox. This will take
>you to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Inspector/Views/Tagging
>where everything should documented.
>
>Btw: It would have made your question easier to understand if you had
>supplied a link to the OSMI page you are looking at (for that use the
>"Permalink" on the bottom right). I was looking through the "Addresses"
>view because you mentioned something with "address nodes" trying to
>figure out what you meant...
>
>Jochen
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Re: [OSM-talk] no_feature_tag_nodes

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Yes, that's it, but where is it written? ;)


-Original Message-
>From: Maarten Deen <md...@xs4all.nl>
>Sent: Apr 13, 2018 9:20 AM
>To: OSM <talk@openstreetmap.org>
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] no_feature_tag_nodes
>
>On 2018-04-13 05:02, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com wrote:
>> OSM Inspector tags some individual address nodes as errors. For
>> example, these nodes located inside the lateral boundaries of
>> buildings:
>> 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=5438712543#map=19/39.68899/-104.86454
>> 
>> I guess I'm reading it wrong, but I can't seem to locate anything
>> specifically on the wiki that refers to this. Is there some
>> documentation I can refer to which addresses this specific situation?
>
>Maybe it's complaining about the description tag without having some 
>other tag to indicate what this node is?
>
>Maarten
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[OSM-talk] no_feature_tag_nodes

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

OSM Inspector tags some individual address nodes as errors. For example, these nodes located inside the lateral boundaries of buildings:https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=5438712543#map=19/39.68899/-104.86454I guess I'm reading it wrong, but I can't seem to locate anything specifically on the wiki that refers to this. Is there some documentation I can refer to which addresses this specific situation?Thanks

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Re: [OSM-talk] today's tragic helicopter accident in Bavaria

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Yes, I understand. I'm just explaining the situation in greater detail in case there is a misunderstanding :)-Original Message-
From: Jo <winfi...@gmail.com>
Sent: Apr 11, 2018 10:27 AM
To: Milo van der Linden <m...@dogodigi.net>
Cc: "Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com" <dan...@sprynet.com>, "Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com" <jacknst...@sprynet.com>, Oleksiy Muzalyev <oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch>, Talk Openstreetmap <talk@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] today's tragic helicopter accident in Bavaria

derbies -> debrisOleksiy's attention was drawn to that airport because of the tragic fatality. He noticed the tower was not mapped, so he mapped it.Cheers,Jo2018-04-11 8:17 GMT+02:00 Milo van der Linden <m...@dogodigi.net>:Dear Armstrong, please be aware that Oleksiy is no native english speaker. In his culture and language that is probably not what he is saying.

Kind regards,

Milo van der LindenOn April 11, 2018 3:21:17 AM GMT+02:00, "Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com" <jacknst...@sprynet.com> wrote:
Are you saying you think an aviation accident could have been avoided if OSM data was better? I've been an air traffic controller for 38 years. Aviation hazards, such as towers at airports, are well charted on navigational charts and airport diagrams which pilots are required to use. A pilot would never use OSM as a means of avoiding ground hazards at an airport. Besides, this particular accident happened at 10:00 A.M. local time, meaning it was daylight. The vast majority of aviation accidents are the result of pilot error. If a helicopter pilot allows his rotor blades to collide with a clearly visible object, that is negligence on the captain's part.-Original Message-From: Oleksiy Muzalyev <oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch>Sent: Apr 10, 2018 3:44 PMTo: Talk Openstreetmap <talk@openstreetmap.org>Subject: [OSM-talk] today's tragic helicopter accident in BavariaGood evening,There was an helicopter accident at the airport Flugplatz Haßfurt-Schweinfurt. One man from the ground staff was killed by derbies when helicopter's propeller blades touched the control tower.On the news video [1] and on the aerial image of the airport [2] it is clearly visible that the tower building is not in the same row with other buildings, it is a bit outstanding.This tower was not mapped neither on the Google maps, nor on the OSM. I mapped it by now on the OSM: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/50.01720/10.52705 with the tag: tower:type=aircraft_control, which has got a nice map icon.In general, towers, not only aircraft_control, but also communication, and others, are well visible even from far away, and could serve as good landmarks. That is why it makes sense to map towers.[1] https://rtlnext.rtl.de/cms/bundeswehr-hubschrauber-rammt-tower-flughafenmitarbeiter-von-truemmern-erschlagen-4148088.html[2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flugplatz_Ha%C3%9Ffurt-Schweinfurt#/media/File:Flugplatz_Ha%C3%9Ffurt_Schweinfurt.jpgWith best regards,Oleksiytalk mailing listtalk@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talktalk mailing listtalk@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Re: [OSM-talk] today's tragic helicopter accident in Bavaria

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Are you saying you think an aviation accident could have been avoided if OSM 
data was better? I've been an air traffic controller for 38 years. Aviation 
hazards, such as towers at airports, are well charted on navigational charts 
and airport diagrams which pilots are required to use. A pilot would never use 
OSM as a means of avoiding ground hazards at an airport. Besides, this 
particular accident happened at 10:00 A.M. local time, meaning it was daylight. 
The vast majority of aviation accidents are the result of pilot error. If a 
helicopter pilot allows his rotor blades to collide with a clearly visible 
object, that is negligence on the captain's part.


-Original Message-
>From: Oleksiy Muzalyev 
>Sent: Apr 10, 2018 3:44 PM
>To: Talk Openstreetmap 
>Subject: [OSM-talk] today's tragic helicopter accident in Bavaria
>
>Good evening,
>
>There was an helicopter accident at the airport Flugplatz 
>Haßfurt-Schweinfurt. One man from the ground staff was killed by derbies 
>when helicopter's propeller blades touched the control tower.
>
>On the news video [1] and on the aerial image of the airport [2] it is 
>clearly visible that the tower building is not in the same row with 
>other buildings, it is a bit outstanding.
>
>This tower was not mapped neither on the Google maps, nor on the OSM. I 
>mapped it by now on the OSM: 
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/50.01720/10.52705 with the tag: 
>tower:type=aircraft_control, which has got a nice map icon.
>
>In general, towers, not only aircraft_control, but also communication, 
>and others, are well visible even from far away, and could serve as good 
>landmarks. That is why it makes sense to map towers.
>
>[1] 
>https://rtlnext.rtl.de/cms/bundeswehr-hubschrauber-rammt-tower-flughafenmitarbeiter-von-truemmern-erschlagen-4148088.html
>
>[2] 
>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flugplatz_Ha%C3%9Ffurt-Schweinfurt#/media/File:Flugplatz_Ha%C3%9Ffurt_Schweinfurt.jpg
>
>With best regards,
>
>Oleksiy
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Large number of seemingly automated, non-SEO spam edits

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Same thing is popping up in the Denver, Colorado area. I've sent messages to the new users. If no reply, I will begin deleting.-Original Message-
From: Paul Johnson 
Sent: Mar 14, 2018 4:08 AM
To: Talk Openstreetmap 
Subject: [OSM-talk] Large number of seemingly automated, non-SEO spam edits

Seem to be getting a large number of spam edits all with comments matching aa, where a is any single lowercase letter and b is any single digit, have appeared in the last 48 hours.  So far the items being mapped have had name=* matching the same pattern, area=yes, and not much of anything else, and certainly don't seem to be of any value or decipherable to any casual observer.  These have started appearing in Oklahoma, which is why I noticed them in OsmCha.Users that I've noticed so far that are doing this, totalling 261 changesets, all fitting this pattern:https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mike%20Gothiehttps://www.openstreetmap.org/user/t-maxhttps://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ghostsailhttps://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mrana3I strongly suspect there are more accounts doing this across the US (since the mrana3 one only had a bounding box that intersected Oklahoma, no edits within it, but did have them on either coast), and the oldest account appears to be from March 5, 2018.


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[OSM-talk] Danger zone for pedestrians

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

I came across an interesting node while correcting map errors. Thoughts on something like this? Delete it? Modify it? Does OSM care to map this type of local information?https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=4602572938#map=20/21.01482/-101.25210The note; "Peligroso en la noche o para mujeres solas. No llevar a la vista cosas de valor", translates as, "Dangerous at night or for single women. Do not carry things of value in plain sight."

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[OSM-talk] Advertising on OSM

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Any opinions on this type of advertising? I can't seem to find anything on the OSM Wiki.http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5230186487The listed webpage says nothing about this physical address.

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Re: [OSM-talk] GPS Altitude vs Pressure Altitude article, Tool for measuring elevation above sea level

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Congratulations on your accomplishment.

Of course, elevation above sea level (MSL) for a fixed point on the ground does 
not change no matter the pressure altitude (barometer setting). Pressure 
altitude vs. using a QNH of 1013 for flight levels (high altitude), is 
something mostly only pilots and air traffic controllers are concerned with and 
have no bearing on ground mapping. The QNH or altimeter setting simply help the 
pilot and/or controller better understand an aircraft's height above the ground.

But, I assume you understand this.

-chachafish
(38 years as an air traffic controller)


-Original Message-
>From: Oleksiy Muzalyev 
>Sent: Nov 27, 2017 11:05 PM
>To: Talk Openstreetmap 
>Subject: [OSM-talk] GPS Altitude vs Pressure Altitude article, Tool for 
>measuring elevation above sea level
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>After reading a good article "GPS Altitude vs Pressure Altitude" [1] I 
>wrote a simple tool to calculate an elevation above the sea level at the 
>point of a click on the OSM map: http://ausleuchtung.ch/elevation/
>
>More details are at the Diary entry: 
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Alex-7/diary/42830
>
>[1] http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/GPSvsPressurealtitude.pdf
>
>Best regards,
>
>Oleksiy
>
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[OSM-talk] # with color code

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

It's been my experience that colors render just fine without a '#' before the code number. Is usage of a # prefix really necessary? What problems will occur if it isn't attached? Thanks :)

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