2009/11/2 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
in some regions/countries like the EU there is also a database protection
and those aerial images are / might be considered a database.
Then all photos are databases...
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2009/11/2 Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi:
different contracts. Yahoo obviously paying more because of more open licence
Yahoo also seems to have new data that's 3 years old, so they may
get it for the same price (or cheaper), but have more rights to derive
data from it?
2009/11/2 Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi:
John Smith deltafoxtrot256 at gmail.com writes:
2009/11/2 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdreist at gmail.com:
in some regions/countries like the EU there is also a database protection
and those aerial images are / might be considered
2009/11/2 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
Yeah well, maybe in the US. In France you can copyright a building
and anyone who takes a picture of the building and uses it for
commercial purposes without permission is committing copyright
infringement. Maybe they'd be willing to extend that to roads, at
2009/11/2 Shalabh shalab...@gmail.com:
I will leave this open to discussion but I thought it better to bring this
to everybody's notice, so JOSM can be made more user friendly.
You can already convert a GPX layer to a OSM layer and then upload the
results, just right click on the layer, however
2009/11/2 Dan Homerick danhomer...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 10:56 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
wrote:
You can already convert a GPX layer to a OSM layer and then upload the
results, just right click on the layer, however it can be very tedious
to remove points
2009/11/3 Michael Barabanov michael.baraba...@gmail.com:
Also, a free-hand drawing mode (e.g. press-down left mouse button and
drag) in JOSM would go a long way towards faster tracing. Clicking to
add one point at a time is pretty slow.
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2009/11/3 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
No. I was going to say not unless OSM abandons CC-BY-SA in favor of
public domain, but that's not going to ever happen either, so no.
Google has no problem with saying where the data comes from, they
already do this by commercial companies.
This isn't the
2009/11/3 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
True. I should have said a non-copyleft license rather than public
domain. CC-BY would probably be easier to implement than public
domain, actually.
Actually that's a good point, with CC-BY-SA it's obvious where it came
from, public domain can take a lot of
2009/11/3 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
2009/11/3 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
2009/11/3 Michael Barabanov michael.baraba...@gmail.com:
Also, a free-hand drawing mode (e.g. press-down left mouse button and
drag) in JOSM would go a long way towards faster tracing
2009/11/3 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
2009/11/3 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
Gimp lets you plot freehand or if you hold shift will do a straight
line, I'm sure there is a number of modifiers that would make a free
hand mode useful...
Gimp is a bitmap-based-programm
It doesn't look like CC-BY-SA is a limiting factor to google:
http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/10/google_australia/
This is just one of the new data sets that Google Australia is
planning to incorporate into its Google Maps platform, courtesy of a
major open access
2009/11/13 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
I realize the toilet map is serious, but I was more interested in
whether or not Google is in fact using the data under CC-BY-SA, and if
so for what.
At a guess they'd only be copying the data, not improving upon it so
they can just say there is nothing to
2009/11/13 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
Just copying it to their data center so it can sit on the hard drive
doing nothing? I'm mainly interested in whether or not their lawyers
think they can do a mashup using CC-BY-SA data plus say proprietary
aerial imagery, without releasing the aerial imagery
2009/11/13 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
That might be the case if the data is a single image, but if there is
a base layer plus a data layer then what?
Ultimately it is made into a single image before it is displayed
2009/11/13 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org:
The is_in tag is not a lot of use either due to it being inconsistent.
I thought is_in is depreciated and replaced by polygons?
While I don't think this list would be worth piping back in to the
database, it might be useful for knowing what were
2009/11/13 Andrew Errington a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk:
You could calculate node density (nodes/km2) and assume that node density
will decay from the centre of a town to the edge. This would work for the
nodes in ways, since 'in town' will have more streets than 'out of town'.
A rural area
2009/11/13 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org:
My first though was for an generated list rather than entered
boarders, however thinking again this might need some human
intervention to work properly.
Boundaries are just as much arbitary as they are geographically based etc
I'm not trying to
2009/11/13 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org:
I like it, but I wonder whether the place=city should be on the way
rather than on some miscellaneous node. I'm not sure I like the bodge
that is admin_level's I had always thought of them as government
administration borders.
It's also tagged as
2009/11/14 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org:
hi,
I want to use osmosis to download and extract from the planet. I tried giving
the web address of the planet latest file, but get an error saying
'http:/openstre../planet_latest.. not found'. Note that the error gives the
address as http:/
2009/11/20 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com:
Who's up for a virtual mapping party with this amazing imagery:
Currently we're trying to completely map out Carnarvon, which is a
small town about 1000km from the nearest city.
2009/11/20 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org:
The command line I am using for the plugin is
'gnome-web-photo --mode=photo --format=ppm {0} /dev/stdout | pnmcrop
-white | pnmtopng'
I had no luck with gnome-web-photo on ubuntu at all, just get and
compile webkit-image, it's fairly trivial to do
Was there some sort of consensus on how to tag these at all?
Even though I don't think they should be automatically guessed at, and
even though there is boundaries for most places in Australia, some
times the towns out grow the boundaries and it'd be useful to tag
these exceptions.
2009/11/21 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org:
If we had an application, that could read osm and render on the fly we
could have any zoom level we like, including zoom levels between zoom
levels, (ie vector graphics)
In theory Potlatch already does some of this, buts it written to enter
data not
2009/11/21 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org:
But most people have more CPU than they really know what to do with
these days.
Actually it's going the other way, mobile phones and netbooks are
becoming the most common internet connected devices.
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2009/11/23 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com:
Hi everyone,
What do you think of the idea to convert the shp files to OSM, then to
GPX and upload it that way?
I don't think this would be a good idea, they aren't GPS traces, it
would also remove or make more difficult if things need to
2009/11/23 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org:
So is anyone aware of automated tracing techniques that Google might be
using ? Is automated tracing from legally available imagery something
I was under the impression that google used their mapmaker technology
and had employees, and since
2009/11/24 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com:
- onboard GPS precision
The iPhone has a poor GPS chip from what I've read.
- a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone
There is more than one phone that runs Android, some are very similar
in weight/size to the iPhone, also some have a
2009/11/24 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com:
If anyone has experience with any of the two and additionally the Palm
Pre, I'd love to see a comparison too, and especially if there are any
OSM related apps. My experience with Pre so far:
Is there a GSM version of the Pre yet?
2009/11/24 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
Nevermind. That's about half an inch, and it doesn't seem to be less
than a pixel (at my latitude/longitude, anyway). For some reason last
time i calculated it I thought it was more.
You should use metric it's easier since metric distances were based on
a
2009/11/24 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
Maybe ~= 100km, but == 60 nm. One nautical mile is exactly one minute of
Because they estimated the circumference to 36,000km, but it's over 40,000km
arc. Say again which system was naturally suited for all things geo?
1 nautical mile is exactly
2009/11/24 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
1 nautical mile is exactly 1852m
Sorry, it was set to 1853m.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautical_mile
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2009/11/25 Woll w...@2-islands.com:
3) Battery life
Not long enough for day trips. The battery runs out in a few hours, even
with ordinary usage of the iPhone, so on a day trip with a 2 hour car drive
you can't map both the outward and inward journeys.
Here's an iPhone negaitve I didn't see
2009/11/25 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com:
Sorry for the confusion. I mixed up 2510 (a random recent commit) and
2255 (7 weeks old) in my browser and thought that the current JOSM
tested had just been released based on 2510. Obviously it's not *that*
big a deal if it has been out in
2009/11/26 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com:
I assume layer is 0 if I don't add the layer tag.
Yes, which is usually anything at ground level.
Hopefully this is the correct thing to assume because otherwise things
will break if I have a bridge with no layer tag and a another bridge
No
I've been seeing this thread develop, and apart from trying to use
areas and relations in all sorts of weird and wonderful ways wouldn't
it be simpler from a logical point of view to treat ways as a grouping
of lanes and those lanes can be assigned tags that differ from the
ways, such as
2009/11/28 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 5:47 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been seeing this thread develop, and apart from trying to use
areas and relations in all sorts of weird and wonderful ways wouldn't
it be simpler from a logical
2009/11/28 Konrad Skeri kon...@skeri.com:
They could be put as fee=prepaid/metered/unmetered
Perhaps not optimal, but not entierly wrong.
metering=prepaid/metered/unmetered
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A thought occurred to me, that people are only planning to use areas
because editors don't easily allow for widths to be entered
graphically.
I wonder how much work it would be if you could draw the way and then
stretch it sideways to fill out the extact area you wanted covered and
then the
2009/12/2 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
IMHO, the US English/Australian English issue here is spurious. Australians
certainly understand and use the word ford to mean a low water crossing.
I disagree, I've only ever heard them refered to as causeways and
fords up until I started mapping
2009/12/3 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
I find the current practice of duplicating minor roads when there is a
median strip pretty unsatisfactory. Even disregarding the effort, the
end result never renders well: usually the street name is written
twice, the one-way arrows get messy etc.
2009/12/3 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com:
Unless you want to write routines for pre-processing two almost-parallel
ways back into a single way so it can be rendered neatly, I suggest it's a
mapping problem. Don't make work for other people if you don't have to.
I thought
2009/12/4 nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au:
These marks are part tourist attraction, part survey control. Most are
located where a car with an in-built GPS can drive right up to it, so
the driver can check the accuracy of their GPS signal.
The Gympie co-ords are wonky to say the least, it
2009/12/4 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
Again, this proposal is not primarily about rendering. That's a nice benefit
in some cases. The goals are:
1) More appropriate data structure
How is this more appropriate, you are loosing real world information
to improve rendering.
2) Better
2009/12/4 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
The main focus is *adding* information to roads currently mapped as single
(non-divided) roads. Gaining information. Not losing. There are a huge
number of places that this will add information that was not previously
mapped.
This opens up a can of
2009/12/6 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
2009/12/6 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk:
The License Working Group has spent months, well probably nearer years, on
the license change. They know one heck of a lot more about legal systems
than myself. They are people that I trust
2009/12/6 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net:
Creative Commons, of course, has practising copyright lawyers too. They have
said that CC-BY-SA isn't applicable to data and we shouldn't use it.
There has also been a lot of data imported from Government sources
that released data as CC-BY-SA
2009/12/6 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
No sense in wasting everyone's time if the OSMF members aren't going to
agree to it anyway?
I'm pretty sure he meant asking contributors before threatening to
remove their contributions.
It'll still be there. In perfect form for the fork which will
2009/12/6 SteveC st...@asklater.com:
Are you also living on planet Frederik? Out of all the crazy claims
this has to be the most crazy. Where have you been the past year of
consultations?
How is insulting people going to help things?
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2009/12/6 SteveC st...@asklater.com:
By letting them know FUD and BS will be shot down.
And you are coming off just as unrational as you are claiming they are
being and not helping fence sitters one bit.
If you want a dictatorship on the matter say so, otherwise you or
others wanting the change
2009/12/6 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
Click through type agreements have already been deemed as
unenforceable,
Can you provide me with a few links to back that up (off-list or on the
legal list if you think it's too off-topic)? To my knowledge the
enforceability is spotty and unclear.
Trying
2009/12/6 SteveC st...@asklater.com:
Read the wikipedia entry on tit for tat, and iterated prisoners dilemma.
That's just it, I'm trying to avoid the conjecture in coming up with
an opinion on if this is a good thing or not for me and my
contributions or not.
ie am I wasting time contributing
2009/12/6 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
Might want to check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click-through_license . A
quick scan finds one case where the license was found unenforceable (because
it was unconscionable), and several where it was found enforceable.
As I said, the judgement I'm thinking
2009/12/6 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
I prefer 1. Of course, what works for you isn't the same as what works for
me. I'm fine with everything being public domain. Why an open content
project would try to place restrictions on the use of a collection of facts
is beyond me.
If GPLv3 was inspired
2009/12/6 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
What, you say, you already had that right anyway? Well, here in the US, I
already have the right to copy and redistribute the OSM database.
Depends what laws the laws in your jurisdictions are derived from.
Sometimes it's anything goes unless you aren't
2009/12/7 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
But I would argue that a selection of a finite set from an infinite
possible nodes that can represent the centerline of a road is a sufficiently
creative endeavor that is automatically afforded copyright according to the
US copyright system.
Inaccuracy isn't
2009/12/7 Graham Seaman gra...@theseamans.net:
This is the aspect of the whole thing I find most worrying too: this
signover of rights to a centralised body makes external attack much more
possible. Is it really necessary for the OSMF to have both functions
(management and rights ownership)?
2009/12/8 Paul Houle p...@ontology2.com:
My major concern with a license change is compatibility with
CC-BY-SA sources such as dbpedia, wikipedia, etc.
So far as I'm concerned, dbpedia and freebase are the core of a
linked data space that assigns taxonomic identifiers to (most)
2009/12/8 David Fawcett david.fawc...@gmail.com:
I have some questions about standard practices for coastlines and
structures that define or protrude from the coast. Is there a
specific place for discussion of this topic area, or is this list the
best place?
For tagging, there is now a
2009/12/8 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
But if it's copyrighted, who owns the copyright on it? Each person who uses
the tag? The people who participate in the list discussion? The OSMF?
You own the copyright on your changes but you also agreed to release
it at present under CC-BY-SA, as does
2009/12/8 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com:
John Smith deltafoxtrot256 at gmail.com writes:
If GPLv3 was inspired by Tivo, I think this license is somewhat
inspired by Google and other commercial mapping companies, who have a
habbit of sucking in all the data they can get their hands on and not
giving
2009/12/9 Shalabh shalab...@gmail.com:
Is there anyway the AND data can be segmented such that it can be deleted in
sections and a new track with correct attributes put in as and when a mapper
gets the correct data? Now I am a BIG 0 as a programmer, so if this is a no
go, what else can be
2009/12/11 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
It's not. However, if we could convince businesses to give back to the
community, it'd be better.
If you feel that way, the ODBL would in principal be the better option
to ensure it happens with a stick just to make sure.
It's slightly annoying now that things render so quickly that the
coastlines don't.
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2009/12/11 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
I see no evidence that that's the case. I don't think attempting to impose
a contractual agreement on others without their consent is going to work,
and I think there will be significant negative side-effects to such immoral
behavior.
I don't think immoral
2009/12/11 Paul Wagener osm-t...@paulwagener.nl:
This might sound like a crazy idea, but can't we just ask businesses
nicely about giving us their added data back?
It has already got us this far. You'd be surprised how far a little
mutual trust can get you.
Isn't that in essence what licenses
2009/12/11 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net:
so we don't need imported data?
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009
From: paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com
To: Liz ed...@billiau.net
Liz,
The coastline
2009/12/12 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au:
If the intent of OSM is to represent the centerline of a road as accurately
as possible (and presumably other land features too) then this is another
reason to consider dropping the SA requirement - or dual licencing or dual
databases or being
2009/12/13 wonderling em...@verizon.net:
Where are there instructions for viewing data points?
The format is: ., ., ., comments
The need is to evaluate the validity of the points before publishing.
Convert it to an osm file and load it in JOSM as a new layer
2009/12/13 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:17 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
wrote:
The problem I have with that is my labour is used to commercially
benefit others and in turn nothing they do would have to be returned
to the community.
So you want to be given
2009/12/13 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:56 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
wrote:
That's the issue I have, I have no problem giving back to the
community, but I don't want commercial companies just sucking up all
the data and not giving hardly anything back
2009/12/13 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
If CC-BY-SA can enforce what? Attribution? If geodata isn't copyrightable,
then it doesn't matter if the derivative works are released under CC-BY-SA.
CC-BY is attribution, CC-BY-SA is Attribution with Share Alike.
While geodata might not be, the meta data
2009/12/13 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au:
So John, given you wish to don't want commercial companies just sucking up
all the data and not giving hardly anything back in return if they extend
the map -
I never said at any point I agree with ODBL, I said I agreed with the intent.
2009/12/13 Jon Burgess jburgess...@googlemail.com:
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 09:10 +1000, John Smith wrote:
It's slightly annoying now that things render so quickly that the
coastlines don't.
I ran the coastcheck utility last night to update the coastline
shapefiles on the main Mapnik layer
2009/12/14 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
If the the data is not copyrightable, it is PD, and no license is going to
magically make it not PD.
Not all legal systems are derived from the British/Common Law legal
system, there are others that instead of having all rights by default
you only have rights
2009/12/14 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
No, I mean it isn't needed.
If everyone believed it wasn't needed we wouldn't be having this discussion...
I believe you added something to my comments.
What did I add? You said cc-by-sa can't protect geodata (in your
jurisdiction), so it can't prevent it
2009/12/14 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com:
So where does someone like me begin? Is there a good book I can read?
A video course online?
Are you more interested in theory aspects or practical aspects?
I realize that many universities offer a GIS class, but I'm wondering
if this is
2009/12/14 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com:
Practical, but knowing a little theory helps know how to apply the practical.
Theory only helps to point, practical is different because you are
dealing with software implementations of GIS, someone was making a
mapnik virtual image that might be as
2009/12/14 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
I certainly don't remember saying that, and it doesn't sound like something
I'd say. As I have said before, to protect my geodata, I use backups.
I was extrapolating based on what you stated earlier, backups are a
protection of sorts, but the discussion is
2009/12/14 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com:
also something to do with 'geometry'. There are obviously interesting
things in GIS that are not related to graphics like the datums and
projections and geometry on a sphere and I don't know where one learns
these, I know little about them.
2009/12/14 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au:
What is *materially removed* from you if your labour is used to
commercially benefit others and/or commercial companies [are] just sucking
up all
the data and not giving hardly anything back in return if they extend the
map?
I'm not a source
2009/12/14 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au:
And the copyleft mindset of the LWP continues to perpetuate substantial
legal [...] restrictions on [...] use. So really, the OSM project has
failed to deliver on this latent demand.
I've seen the same comments regarding GPL v BSD licenses,
2009/12/14 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au:
Google has a lot of data and are good at getting more, be it official
or crowdsourced. It would be a huge loss for the collective knowledge
of everyone if this data escapes the virus. I can't afford that loss,
maybe you can.
What is being lost
2009/12/14 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au:
I've seen the links and I trust I'm clear on what the LWP is up to. However
that's not what I signed up for, to be honest. I mean it's an
OpenStreetMap not a CopyleftMap or anything that unambiguous. I got sold
on the blurb on that wiki page
2009/12/14 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org:
CCbySA says you must attribute where it came from, ODbl make no such
demand. So by following ODbl you break CCbySA. and the law is
about black and white not shades of grey.
CC-BY is attributation, CC-BY-SA is attributation + sharing changes
under
2009/12/14 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au:
I suppose you would have hated contributing to Linux then.
GPL has similar sharing required by ODBL, if you had said BSD you
might have had a point, MS and others have taken BSD code and given
nothing back, they have recently been shown to have
2009/12/14 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au:
I agree! (-:
When pondering this earlier today I realised one of the fundamental
ambiguities is:
Is freedom/openness enforced on the dataset *itself*? Or
Is freedom/openness enforced on your right to *use* that dataset?
I'd always assumed
2009/12/14 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:37 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
wrote:
What is being lost though?
When Google sucks up data what's being lost is supporting the greater
good, Google just sucks up all the data they can for their own good
2009/12/14 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au:
And that requirement has a chilling effect (holds you back) on some
productive ways. Hypothetical example: I want to put my fast food joints
on a map. If I licenced from a typical commercial provider, I pay a one time
consideration, produce my
2009/12/14 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au:
Well it got mixed up as soon as most maps you think of as free actually
have legal or technical restrictions collided with the existence of
ShareAlike.
No, your assumptions are bumping into the share a like provision, you
assumed something that
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
My primary reason for not wanting to release my data as PD is that I don't
want to support OSM if it decides to go with the ODbL. A street map
licensed under ODbL is not something I find worthy of my (uncompensated)
support, and the fact that the project
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
Again, I don't remember saying that. And if I did, I apologize.
Sorry if I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure you mentioned it.
In any case, if OSM decides to take the position that my contributions are
not copyrightable, and therefore they are free to
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
CC-BY-SA says this: You may not offer or impose any terms on the Work that
alter or restrict the terms of this License or the recipients' exercise of
the rights granted hereunder.
The ODbL attempts to do exactly that.
Correct, but the reason for ODBL is
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
Ah, but I don't plan on ever visiting the OSM website when and if they
switch to the ODbL.
I doubt just visiting the OSM website without some kind of click
wrapper similar to nearmap.com does would force you to agree with ODBL
for just using the website. On
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
CC-BY-SA isn't enforcible on anything. It grants rights, it doesn't take
them away.
It's a license, if you break licenses on software you can be taken to
court to make sure you do follow them in future and are punished for
past digressions. So while it grants
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
No, if you break copyright law you can be taken to court to make sure you
don't break copyright law in the future. If break licenses, then, well,
it depends on the license. In the case of CC-BY-SA, if you breach the terms
You are confusing contracts with
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Read Jacobsen v. Katzer, and the commentary on it, and then get back to us.
Wasn't there some case where one company sued another for not making
source code available as required?
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
Browsewrap may or may not be enforceable. And even if it is enforceable any
judgment for damages would probably be minimal. But I'm willing to abide by
the terms of service of the sites that I visit, at least when I take the
time to read them. Not doing so
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
In a park is a ditch. There is a very small bridge going over the ditch.
I've tagged the ditch with barrier=ditch. Should the ditch be layer=-1?
Even though the park is layer=0?
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:31 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
wrote:
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
No, if you break copyright law you can be taken to court to make sure
you
don't break copyright law in the future. If break licenses
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