Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering

2012-04-02 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/2/2012 2:27 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: I'm deliberately leaving county routes for a second phase and focusing on state routes for the moment. (New Jersey is an exception, but it was an experiment and I don't actually believe we're using the proper shields for all of its counties.) As far as I

Re: [Talk-us] City boundaries on the Canada/US border

2012-03-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/30/2012 12:55 PM, Paul Norman wrote: From: Jeffrey Ollie [mailto:j...@ocjtech.us] Could this be mitigated somewhat by the use of super relations? IE on relation each for the US-Canada, US-Mexico, US-Pacific, US-Atlantic borders tied together with one super relation? Do any of the tools

Re: [Talk-us] City boundaries on the Canada/US border

2012-03-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/30/2012 3:59 PM, Paul Norman wrote: Yikes, that's complicated. I'm not sure that hatching will help much with a situation like that in general - what if the boundary between two cities is like that? Both would be inside a boundary and have the same shading. It's much less likely that the

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset: 11154859

2012-03-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/30/2012 5:08 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11154859 has the comment proposed bikeways (primary greenways as rcn). I wonder, are these actually state cycleways? If not, then LCN would be the correct network. Yawn. This passive-agressive shit is

Re: [Talk-us] Using TIGER to find missing road segments in OSM after license change

2012-03-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/29/2012 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: I'm going to look at this same problem for Salt Lake County just to see if any different issues arise for a different geography, and hope to provide some more input soon. It would be useful to test an area where the TIGER data is rather imprecise

Re: [Talk-us] Using TIGER to find missing road segments in OSM after license change

2012-03-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/29/2012 11:06 AM, Ian Dees wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Kristian M Zoerhoff zoerh...@sdf.org mailto:zoerh...@sdf.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:53:55AM -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 3/29/2012 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: I'm going to look

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/24/2012 7:13 AM, David Groom wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Norman penor...@mac.com - Adopting changesets. Many of the dirty ways and nodes appear to be imported. If the imported just imported PD data than they have no IP in the ways and they can be retained. Are you

Re: [Talk-us] South Carolina North Carolina border shifting to the South

2012-03-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/24/2012 1:37 AM, Toby Murray wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM, James Mastrickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I just saw this mentioned on MSNBC and thought I would let everybody know about this since we would have to adjust the border in the future when it becomes official. It seems

Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes

2012-03-22 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/16/2012 7:33 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Spotted in @openstreetmap's Twitter feed... I don't remember having ever used a routing service that fast. It is apparently tuned for car routing... And that's all I can say since the Karlsruher Institut für Technologie whose homepage is linked from

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways in old mediterranean and similar towns.

2012-03-22 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/22/2012 4:47 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: Ok, so whats the difference between a pedestrian highway and a footpath then? I'm sure everyone has different criteria, but I generally use footway if it's not a separate right-of-way (meaning it's either a path in a larger property such as a park,

Re: [Talk-us] suburban superblocks that nobody wants to survey

2012-03-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/15/2012 8:52 AM, Hillsman, Edward wrote: On 3/14/2012 21:18:57 -0400 Nathan Edgars II wrote: Depending on the state or local government, you may be able to verify names against an official dataset. Otherwise subdivision plats work for the endless suburban superblocks that nobody wants

Re: [Talk-us] suburban superblocks that nobody wants to survey

2012-03-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/15/2012 6:43 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: On 3/15/2012 4:59 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: lots of driving and all you get is street names, since everything else is single-family houses. And address points How does this work? Do you stop at every house and write down the address

Re: [Talk-us] More TIGER importing

2012-03-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/14/2012 8:37 PM, Mike N wrote: The tiger:reviewed=no tag usage varies with each person, but generally anything validated by a human against local knowledge or an aerial image doesn't need the tiger:reviewed tag at all. I would disagree with this - reviewing should include verifying the

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset needs to be reverted

2012-03-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/13/2012 9:33 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/problems.html (The what nodes column lists the nodes missing for a revert.) If that is desirable, I can undelete the nodes and revert the ways thereafter. I'm willing to clean up if you do this. Thanks.

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset needs to be reverted

2012-03-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/13/2012 5:14 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 03/13/2012 08:20 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: If that is desirable, I can undelete the nodes and revert the ways thereafter. I'm willing to clean up if you do this. Thanks. Done, all ways in Montana and Idaho reverted clean. Hmmm - now

[Talk-us] Changeset needs to be reverted

2012-03-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10842511 is labeled remove non-relicensable imports in Canada by request of Canadian community, yet includes a number of deletions in the U.S. The changeset is too large for JOSM's reverter plugin, and I can't download the osmChange XML. Frederik

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset needs to be reverted

2012-03-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/12/2012 3:45 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: The changeset in question is problematic for two reasons; one is that it deletes a (small number of) objects in the US instead of just things in Canada, and the other is that even in Canada it deleted more than Canadians had decided to delete right now.

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset needs to be reverted

2012-03-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/12/2012 5:28 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: I will probably undelete all deleted ways and then revert the relations to re-add them, except where the stray nodes were already cleaned up (assuming that in these areas, a human mapper has evaluated the situation and fixed it). We'll see how that

[Talk-us] The vandalism has begun

2012-03-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Even before April Fools: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10842511 I love how portions of US 2, US 83, and US 95 are now in Canada. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.562lon=-112.387zoom=11layers=M http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.812lon=-101.089zoom=11layers=M

Re: [Talk-us] The vandalism has begun

2012-03-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/11/2012 6:35 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 03/11/2012 10:58 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Even before April Fools: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10842511 I love how portions of US 2, US 83, and US 95 are now in Canada. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.562lon

Re: [Talk-us] The vandalism has begun

2012-03-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Can someone please revert changeset 10842511? It's too big for JOSM's reverter plugin. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Route Relations and Special (Bannered) Routes

2012-03-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
It's obvious to me that the banner is not part of the network. US 1 Alternate is part of the U.S. Highway system (US:US), not some mythical U.S. Highway Alternate system. It also makes the most sense to put it in the ref tag. Otherwise there's inconsistency between an alternate signed as US 1

Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps

2012-03-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/29/2012 1:15 AM, James Mast wrote: Just wanted to let you guys know and give kudos to MapQuest for doing something that Google hasn't done with their maps EVER. MapQuest is either fully reading the ref tag or using the tags from relations, but they are now properly showing Business

Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps

2012-03-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/8/2012 2:53 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Still needs fixing: C-* is a county road (in Ohio at least; it may be used for state highways in Colorado) I believe in the OSM scheme, CR is county road. Colorado and Kansas typically stylize their state roads as C and K roads, though the preferable

Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps

2012-03-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/8/2012 3:03 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but when a local insists on tagging it one way, what's one to do? Let 'em know about consistency. Whenever practical, we should try to be as globally consistent as

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Co-ordinates for towns, etc in UK

2012-03-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/3/2012 8:24 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: We don't have zero-point markers in the USA, either, at least not from my experience. However, the highway departments seem to be referring to some point in or near the center of the cities, judging from the distances shown. Sometimes it's to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Co-ordinates for towns, etc in UK

2012-03-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/6/2012 8:53 AM, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote: On 3/3/2012 9:04 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Sometimes it's to the center (usually the courthouse or city hall?) and sometimes to the city limits. The only zero point I know of (that's not intended for only one road) is the Zero Milestone

[OSM-talk] Mapnik slower than usual?

2012-03-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Is it just me, or are there more timeout magnifying glasses than usual? Is this due to the Osmarender server going down? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[Talk-us] Mapnik slower than usual?

2012-03-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Is it just me, or are there more timeout magnifying glasses than usual? Is this due to the Osmarender server going down? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps

2012-02-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/29/2012 1:15 AM, James Mast wrote: Just wanted to let you guys know and give kudos to MapQuest for doing something that Google hasn't done with their maps EVER. MapQuest is either fully reading the ref tag or using the tags from relations, but they are now properly showing Business

Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps

2012-02-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Another update: they now color motorway_links with toll=yes green (and display toll booths at high zooms - not sure if this is new). The overlap where a toll motorway becomes a free motorway is a bit messy though. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.45095lon=-81.28962zoom=16layers=Q

Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps

2012-02-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Oops - bad pattern matching finding I in RI :) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.8193lon=-71.4737zoom=13layers=Q ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open Maps

2012-02-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/29/2012 12:17 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Another update: they now color motorway_links with toll=yes green (and display toll booths at high zooms - not sure if this is new

Re: [Talk-us] Adding Tiger 2011 Data

2012-02-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/29/2012 6:55 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: Using JOSM to copy the tiger data to OSM I end up with red circles with no tag. What do you mean by red circles with no tag? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Co-ordinates for towns, etc in UK

2012-02-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I don't know if any UK towns use an addressing grid. Locally, when the grid zero point lies within the downtown area, I've used this (e.g. the intersection of Orange and Central in Orlando). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] osm2pgsql hstore (was: Wind turbines no longer rendered on mapnik layer)

2012-02-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/16/2012 6:00 PM, Jochen Topf wrote: Generic key names can be confusing, especially when one OSM object is used for multiple things. Say there is a way tagged as railway and at the same time this way is part of an area tagged as a generating station. Does power_source mean the type of

[Talk-us] undesignated bike lanes (Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:cycleway=buffered_lane)

2012-02-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/20/2012 8:23 AM, Hillsman, Edward wrote: While we are discussing this, we should also agree on how to tag bicycle lanes that are unmarked. We have a surprising number of these in my area of the world. They have no signs (I know, they are no longer required to) and no markings within the

Re: [Talk-us] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:cycleway=buffered_lane

2012-02-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/19/2012 5:34 PM, Humphries, Grant wrote: I've proposed a tag for buffered bicycle lanes, see the proposal here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycleway%3Dbuffered_lane. Any feedback is appreciated. It seems like it would be better as an additional tag like cycleway:buffer=yes, keeping

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/17/2012 4:41 PM, TC Haddad wrote: For example: in Portland all the expanded quadrant names (NE,NW, SE, SW) really detract from the experience of using osm extracts on handheld GPS. All the streets in an area of interest end up looking like they have the same name because all that fits on

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/17/2012 5:44 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: If the directional prefixes are not generally used as part of the name, they should probably not be in the name tag, but instead

Re: [Talk-us] National Bridge Inventory

2012-02-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/16/2012 8:50 PM, Steven Johnson wrote: I also think that USDOT probably has only a subset of bridges (say, those in the US highway system) and probably lacks a number of state- and locally-maintained bridges. Nope - at least in Florida, they have all road bridges except maybe those on

[OSM-talk] Finding untagged dead-ends

2012-02-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Is there a way (in JOSM or otherwise) to find all dead-ends (nodes contained in only one highway way) without highway=turning_circle or noexit=yes in an area? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-us] Fresno has no primary roads

2012-02-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/15/2012 4:09 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2012-02-13 15:21, you wrote: I've never been to Fresno, but I can't believe there would not be a single primary road there. Still, that is the Truth According To OSM[1] I find that most areas where there has been little manual editing of the TIGER

Re: [Talk-us] Finding untagged dead-ends

2012-02-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/15/2012 6:46 AM, Mike N wrote: On 2/15/2012 12:41 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: (nodes contained in only one highway way) ... and first or last node of the way? Yes, that's what I meant to say. But even that's not perfect for a P-shaped road. Essentially it's a node with only one exit

Re: [Talk-us] Fresno has no primary roads

2012-02-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/14/2012 1:23 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: So only TIGER CFCC A2* were mapped to highway=primary in the import? I guess that makes sense -- TIGER has a clear distinction between primary (A2), secondary (A3) and local roads (A4). But in that classification, where do the tertiary and trunk

Re: [Talk-us] National Bridge Inventory

2012-02-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/14/2012 6:37 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hi, Has anyone ever looked into using the National Bridge Inventory (NBI)[1] for adding missing bridges to OSM in the US? I'm pretty sure TIGER does not have (most) bridges and I'm very sure the community has not added all the 600k bridges that are

[Talk-us] Finding untagged dead-ends

2012-02-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Is there a way (in JOSM or otherwise) to find all dead-ends (nodes contained in only one highway way) without highway=turning_circle or noexit=yes in an area? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Fresno has no primary roads

2012-02-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/13/2012 6:21 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hi all, I've never been to Fresno, but I can't believe there would not be a single primary road there. Still, that is the Truth According To OSM[1] Who knows more about this situation? Are there any local mappers on this list who can shed their

Re: [OSM-talk] info on understanding the Deep Diff page

2012-02-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/6/2012 7:13 AM, ciprian niculescu wrote: Do the way is gooing to be deleted or it will stay but only the tags not edited by a subsequent agreeing user will be deleted? The way in question is http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=41220492 If you want it kept, there are a few steps:

Re: [OSM-talk] Are OSM tags case sensitive?

2012-02-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/7/2012 3:50 PM, Matthew Deabreu wrote: Hello All, Just a quick question, are OSM tags case sensitive? Yes, in that FIXME and fixme are two separate tags. No, in that they mean the same thing. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Will tainted history be kept in the database?

2012-02-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/9/2012 3:00 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-February/007382.html There seems to be some confusion over whether we'll be able to go into the history and retrieve any tags added by good mappers to a tainted way after the April Fools wipe

Re: [Talk-us] Contacting high-impact undecided users in the US

2012-02-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/9/2012 11:43 PM, Skye Book wrote: Has anyone had any luck with http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tommischneider? The contact log has him as being contacted in the middle of January but nothing else is available. He seems to have split his time between Europe and the northeastern coast of

Re: [Talk-us] Remapping tips

2012-02-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/6/2012 7:30 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 2/6/2012 7:06 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Any remapping after April Fools will not be able to use tags added by good users to ungood objects. Any loss will be on the hands of the OSMF. Why not? They'll be in the history same as they are now

Re: [Talk-us] Remapping tips

2012-02-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/6/2012 11:47 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: For the OSM data to become unroutable when that is so easily avoided would be unthinkable. Yet the OSMF is planning to do just that on April Fools. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Finding new roads

2012-02-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/16/2012 7:48 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: I believe that OSm's most usefull attribute is to be up to date. The only real way to do this is with a local mapper but bringing the USA up to Tiger 2011 up-to-datedness would be a great start. I've recently been using another way of finding new

Re: [OSM-talk] Change in OSM Inspector License View/WTFE

2012-02-02 Thread Nathan Edgars II
One possible enhancement would be a filter, so you could show e.g. only highways or only waterways. I don't know how complicated this would be. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Change in OSM Inspector License View/WTFE

2012-02-02 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/1/2012 12:05 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: http://wtfe.gryph.de/report/way/5656569 This should answer the question of why is something red/orange/yellow/unmarked. If you find anything strange with that, let me know too. I'm confused. http://wtfe.gryph.de/report/way/11023229 is marked as

[OSM-talk] Relations (Re: Critical Mass for license change-over)

2012-02-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/28/2012 4:26 PM, Toby Murray wrote: The other major thing that no existing tools take into consideration is relations. They are mentioned on the What is clean? page but they aren't being factored into any existing algorithms. Not the easiest thing to show since some of them aren't even

Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.

2012-02-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
So I did some looking at LA in the OSM Inspector WTFE view, and I don't see how we're going to keep the OSMF from totally wrecking it on April Fools. So go for it. Just kill the whole damn thing. This wouldn't have happened, by the way, if the TIGER import had been more forceful. But no, we

Re: [Talk-us] Remapping is good

2012-01-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/31/2012 4:07 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: Blimey - two streets up from Arvia, Asbury Street was incorrectly named in OSM as Ashbury. Just how many typos are there in L.A. Hey - now there's a good idead for a competition!!! What you mean is that imports are better than surveying (since mappers

[Talk-us] Identifying bike lanes (Re: LA and other license changeover challenged areas.)

2012-01-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/30/2012 5:46 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: I'd say knowing what they look like + Bing is sufficient if the road markings are actually there (not only the lane separator linear markings - that's too ambiguous). What I'm not sure of is whether bike lane road markings are the same across the US

Re: [Talk-us] Identifying bike lanes (Re: LA and other license changeover challenged areas.)

2012-01-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/30/2012 8:38 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Many in Multnomah County only have diamonds, no arrows, no other markings, with a ◊ RIGHT LANE BIKE ONLY sign**every half mile or every block, whichever comes first, with BIKE ONLY markings and arrows only at the intersections. I think they

Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.

2012-01-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/29/2012 5:27 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: New Haven CT, http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=13lat=41.31231lon=-72.92162layers=00B Much of the taint here (though probably not much on the cleanmap, which only deals with newly-created ways) comes from ungood user Brian Tang adding (IMO garbage)

Re: [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/27/2012 6:48 PM, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Hi Mike and Graham, We should not assume that contributors' acceptance of the new licence means that they are particularly in favour of it - they may have just accepted because it was easier than getting involved in the argument, and did not see it

Re: [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/27/2012 7:48 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Anyone who says I can't really do anything before I know the exact algorithm should perhaps take the second half of March off work. This condescending tone isn't useful. We should all care about the entire map, not just our little area.

Re: [OSM-talk] Road cores and casings on standard Mapnik rendering

2012-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/21/2012 12:05 AM, Ben Robbins wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/2/21/Comparison_-_Junction1.png Just a minor issue - shouldn't the primary_link and unclassified near the upper right corner be motorway_links, since you can only access them from the motorway? Otherwise, this

Re: [OSM-talk] Road cores and casings on standard Mapnik rendering

2012-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/21/2012 6:03 AM, Richard Mann wrote: The current tagging rules for links don't make life at all easy for the renderer, but I got flamed when I suggested that the link road should take the status of the lower classification (unless it's a motorway_link). I agree that taking the status of

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Check my junctions - looking for someone to review my plates of spaghetti -- responding to feedback

2012-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/24/2012 8:33 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about Pennsylvania, but here in Florida a single white line does not legally prevent crossing. But even if it did, we don't map a double yellow as a median. *You*

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Check my junctions - looking for someone to review my plates of spaghetti

2012-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/24/2012 8:45 AM, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/23/2012 9:52 PM, dies38...@mypacks.net wrote: Yuck. A separate way should not be used for a turn lane (unless that lane is separated by barriers or maybe a wide striped-off

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Check my junctions - looking for someone to review my plates of spaghetti -- responding to feedback

2012-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/24/2012 9:20 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/24/2012 8:33 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about Pennsylvania, but here in Florida a single

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Check my junctions - looking for someone to review my plates of spaghetti -- responding to feedback

2012-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/24/2012 7:07 AM, dies38...@mypacks.net wrote: Thanks for your feedback, both positive and negative. The reason for the complexity and seeming overuse of ways and restrictions is that I am mapping legally binding pavement markings along with the actual travel ways. It is my

Re: [Talk-us] Edit bordering on vandalism in Philly

2012-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/24/2012 2:13 AM, Bryce2 Nesbitt wrote: I'm reading: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism And looking at http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/63484547/history But not quite sure what to think. Is there someone willing to take a second look. I have never reverted anything, and

Re: [Talk-us] Edit bordering on vandalism in Philly

2012-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/24/2012 7:34 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 1/24/2012 2:13 AM, Bryce2 Nesbitt wrote: I'm reading: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism And looking at http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/63484547/history But not quite sure what to think. Is there someone willing to take

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Check my junctions - looking for someone to review my plates of spaghetti -- responding to feedback

2012-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/24/2012 8:33 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about Pennsylvania, but here in Florida a single white line does not legally prevent crossing. But even if it did, we don't map a double yellow as a median. *You*

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Check my junctions - looking for someone to review my plates of spaghetti

2012-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/24/2012 8:45 AM, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/23/2012 9:52 PM, dies38...@mypacks.net wrote: Yuck. A separate way should not be used for a turn lane (unless that lane is separated by barriers or maybe a wide striped-off

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Check my junctions - looking for someone to review my plates of spaghetti -- responding to feedback

2012-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/24/2012 9:20 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/24/2012 8:33 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about Pennsylvania, but here in Florida a single

[Talk-us] Exactly what does an address correspond to?

2012-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Presumably the answer is a mailbox. But we generally map buildings and properties long before we map mailboxes, and when used as a location one expects an address to be the actual location the mail is intended for, not the location of the mailbox (which may be e.g. out on the main road or in a

[OSM-talk] Downloading all tainted objects in an area

2012-01-23 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Is there any way to download all tainted objects in an area, so I can easily filter out any I don't care about (e.g. lakes)? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[Talk-us] Downloading all tainted objects in an area

2012-01-23 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Is there any way to download all tainted objects in an area, so I can easily filter out any I don't care about (e.g. lakes)? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/17/2012 6:28 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/1/17 Maarten Deenmd...@xs4all.nl: On 2012-01-16 23:27, Robin Paulson wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-36.878407lon=174.741523zoom=19 the landuse polygon has an orange highlight on it, why does it do that? Just a hint on

Re: [OSM-talk] New rules for OSMI license change view

2012-01-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 12/26/2011 6:50 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I've updated the license change view on OSMI with new rules. It will now * treat untagged nodes as clean if moved by an agreeing mapper I'm wondering why http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/382228026/history is showing up as tainted.

Re: [OSM-talk] New rules for OSMI license change view

2012-01-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/18/2012 12:17 PM, ant wrote: On 18.01.2012 13:30, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I'm wondering why http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/382228026/history is showing up as tainted. NathanDavidSeabury, as part of his edit, accidentally moved a large boundary polygon. I reverted this move

Re: [Talk-us] Problem with an Armchair user

2012-01-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/17/2012 2:34 PM, Sam Iacullo wrote: Dear All, I am having a problem with the user NE2 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/NE2/edits). Since the beginning of the year, he has been making massive, broad spectrum changes in Texas. The edits he's done have been without regard to the appropriate

Re: [Talk-us] Problem with an Armchair user

2012-01-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/17/2012 2:50 PM, Josh Doe wrote: NE2 is a well known and prolific user. You left out bothersome, or maybe troubled, or even troll if you want to go there :) Please be more specific on what he's doing that you disagree with, and link to specific changesets and/or objects. I'm assuming

Re: [Talk-us] Problem with an Armchair user

2012-01-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/17/2012 3:39 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 02:46:24PM -0500, Nathan Edgars II wrote: And if I messed with Texas, sorry. I'll go screw with Oklahoma instead :) I believe you got burned for doing that, too. Could you please tread lightly in territory where you have

[OSM-talk] OSMF's tainting decisions (Re: Mixing OSM and FOSM data)

2012-01-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/15/2012 9:38 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: The OSMF seems determined to avoid any edge cases by being very conservative. Maybe in some cases, but with respect to splitting and joining ways, they're being extremely liberal and assuming that a new way ID is a new way wrt licensing. That is,

Re: [OSM-talk] odbl=clean usage

2012-01-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Since there's been no response, I plan to start doing this. On 1/13/2012 6:49 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: It's my view that odbl=clean is essentially a loophole - that is, if the OSMF actually pays attention to it when mass-reverting. But given that it seems to be accepted, I'm wondering about

Re: [OSM-talk] odbl=clean usage

2012-01-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/15/2012 11:09 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 01/15/2012 05:03 PM, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: in my opinion, obdl=clean is the ugliest thing in the whole license change so far... i can't believe this would be automatically accepted on april 1st. I'm happy to debate the issue on

Re: [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data

2012-01-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/15/2012 3:00 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: Frederik Ramm writes: I am amazed at the constant disregard of legal-talk, a list that was created *precisely* for license questions. These questions have nothing to do with the law, and everything to do with how the community edits. Actually

Re: [OSM-talk] odbl=clean usage

2012-01-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/15/2012 12:34 PM, Toby Murray wrote: According to this, deletions will not be reverted: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/What_is_clean%3F#Deletions_are_not_tainted Now that's just stupid. Can you imagine what a random town where an ungood mapper has done some joining

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-01-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/15/2012 8:25 AM, Mike N wrote: On 1/15/2012 8:01 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: and the script ignored the TIGER subtags and improperly expanded it to West Avenue East I'm not sure what you mean about ignoring the TIGER subtags, but this street has tiger:name_direction_suffix = E, which

Re: [Talk-us] What is a dual carriageway?

2012-01-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/15/2012 12:31 PM, Hilton Long wrote: SR9 in Hurricane UT, has either 4 or 5 lanes. Two in each direction and the fifth a turning lane, that occurs for part of the road. Part of the road is limited access, but you can make a U turn on the part with 5 lanes, and there is grade access from

[OSM-talk] odbl=clean usage

2012-01-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
It's my view that odbl=clean is essentially a loophole - that is, if the OSMF actually pays attention to it when mass-reverting. But given that it seems to be accepted, I'm wondering about the following case: A non-agreeing mapper changes a bunch of roads from residential to secondary, using

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/13/2012 12:39 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: I agree that it makes more sense to clean up the map after the deletes from the license change have taken affect. Except that the April Fools change will not preserve a lot of the additions (if a non-agreer splits a way, and you add a maxspeed, how is

Re: [OSM-talk] CLEANMAP global version

2012-01-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/11/2012 10:30 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: OSM inspector gives a pessimistic view at a distance because red is so bright and (in Australia) one could be forgiven for thinking... Oh dear, Sydney and Adelaide are goners. However your CleanMap shows that there is a lot of hope for both although

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Mass revert now??

2012-01-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/10/2012 10:24 AM, Toby Murray wrote: Some of these ways haven't been touched since Bing imagery became available. I'm guessing improvements are probably more the norm than reductions in quality. What probably gets lost most often is various improvements made such as number of lanes,

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Mass revert now??

2012-01-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/10/2012 12:16 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: In short, this remapping exercise I'm doing actually leads to better data quality. So I disagree with your assertion that the license change is a disruptive change for little or no benefit. So what you're saying is that you're only improving

Re: [Talk-us] User adding many Safeway grocery stores, with ref number in name

2012-01-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/8/2012 9:17 AM, Mike N wrote: I could see both sides of this - receipts are likely printed Welcome to Safeway #xxx, and so the map would appear correct and contain additional detail. The disadvantage is that an exact match search for Safeway would fail, depending on the search algorithm in

Re: [Talk-us] Apartment buildings as place=hamlet

2012-01-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/7/2012 8:03 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hi, Apartment buildings imported from GNIS appear as 'place=hamlet' in Salt Lake City (and quite possibly elsewhere). I think this is too much honor for 99% of apartment buildings. My guess is there was no way to distinguish these from other

Re: [OSM-talk] Request for Romano-British features

2012-01-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/3/2012 4:25 AM, Pieren wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Lester Caineles...@lsces.co.uk wrote: This is the area that we still need to get some agreement on :( Current rendering does not take any notice of start and stop dates ... These tags have been created for periodic events,

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