Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

2020-09-23 Thread Christoph Hormann
principle still apply (including in particular that the OSMF publishes the changeset discussions under ODbL as well). The main difference i think is that contributions to changeset discussions have a higher likeliness to in themselves be subject to copyright (and not just database protection). -- C

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

2020-09-23 Thread Christoph Hormann
chavi) so if you have an issue with that in principle picking out Slack specifically is not really appropriate. (that is all under the assumption that Slack is using the data in compliance with the ODbL - which i don't know) -- Christoph Hormann http://www.i

Re: [OSM-talk] "Limitations on mapping private information" - wiki page

2020-09-16 Thread Christoph Hormann
lse is not. Actual privacy issue (like someone doing detailed indoor mapping with the help of a telescope) is probably less an issue here than for an individual house. Or in other words: Rich people cannot claim a larger scope of privacy just because they can own an

Re: [OSM-talk] "Limitations on mapping private information" - wiki page

2020-09-16 Thread Christoph Hormann
eway becomes part of the verifiable geography by being used as a driveway. For swimming pools that is certainly a matter of size - large swimming pools are however major constructions and major users of water supplies as well as reservoirs of water - to be used for example by firefighters in

Re: [OSM-talk] "Limitations on mapping private information" - wiki page

2020-09-16 Thread Christoph Hormann via talk
not to map due to privacy concerns is covered by being not mappable due to not being part of the verifiable geography. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-de] Kostenlose OSMF-Mitgliedschaft für Aktive - Craftmapper in die OSMF ;)

2020-08-23 Thread Christoph Hormann
geworden sein - entzerrt sich das ein bisschen. Sprich: Wenn Du dieses Jahr rechtzeitig für die Wahl (sprich: sehr bald) Mitglied wirst dann hast Du nächstes Jahr nach der Nachricht, dass Du deine Mitgliedschaft erneuern musst, gut Zeit, Dir die 42 Tage noch wieder zu erarbeiten. -- Christo

Re: [Talk-de] Kostenlose OSMF-Mitgliedschaft für Aktive - Craftmapper in die OSMF ;)

2020-08-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
erenzen in Form bekannter Community-Mitglieder oder Organisationen, mit denen Sie Arbeiten angeben, welche Kenntnis von Ihren Aktivitäten haben. [Absenden] --- -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Talk-de maili

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Proposal for Software Dispute Resolution Panel

2020-08-05 Thread Christoph Hormann
on that in court cases, juries > deliberate in private, and not under public scrutiny; That is an intriguing idea i think: Have the panel being put together on a case-by-case basis randomly from a pool of volunteer jurors - disqualifying those with a lack of impartiality on the specific case. Have the

Re: [OSM-talk] Many processes not defined | Re: Proposal for Software Dispute Resolution Panel

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
.] Seems there are some eddies in the fabric of spacetime... -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal for Software Dispute Resolution Panel

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
function otherwise). I guess that means both the nominations and selection of panel members as well as the deliberation and consulting of the panel on cases is going to happen behind closed doors. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ _

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed changes in rendering of diplomatic offices

2020-07-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
152 features with tag amenity=embassy - 1541 of which already have an office=diplomatic tag in addition. That leaves 4611 features that only have the old style tagging. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetm

[OSM-talk] HOT Update

2020-06-18 Thread Christoph Hormann
kind but not the people creating them and living around them. You probably did not intend to imply otherwise but quite a few readers of your text not familiar with OSM, cartography and humanitarian mapping jargon might get a wrong impression about OSM from your phrasing. -- Christoph Hormann http

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-05-02 Thread Christoph Hormann
d as part of the move from CC-BY-SA to ODbL so the license change procedure defined by them could not have been the basis of that license change obviously. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org h

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-05-02 Thread Christoph Hormann
n draw their own conclusions here... ;-) -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-04-30 Thread Christoph Hormann
past months on that subject - and possible engaging in a discussion of the criticizm if there is need for clarification or explanation - would be highly advisable. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetm

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-04-29 Thread Christoph Hormann
l pity for the hardships of corporate data users in developing a business model that works while providing sufficient attribution to OSM). -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Christoph Hormann
'OpenStreetMap'. My consideration is purely a moral one. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Christoph Hormann
lder of moral rights on its own independent of the OSM community. Independent of what the OSMF suggests in the future - i would probably continue attributing "OpenStreetMap contributors" where feasible to clarify that i am crediting the contributo

Re: [OSM-talk] SotM 2020 - Move to virtual conference

2020-03-26 Thread Christoph Hormann
the OSM community that test and make use of all the potential this has. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

2020-03-19 Thread Christoph Hormann
bout > circumventing our well defined import guidelines, or disrespecting > our basic tenets. It’s just your imagination. I am not quite sure if you actually believe that or if this is a cold blooded (though obviously rather crude) attempt to gaslight Frederik. -- Christoph

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

2020-03-19 Thread Christoph Hormann
t: "to change OSM from being a map by the people for the people into a project of crowd sourced slave work for the corporate AI overlords") nothing has changed since then. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ ta

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

2020-03-10 Thread Christoph Hormann
oes Facebook claim that this is the only derivative database they are using? -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline update

2020-02-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Thursday 20 February 2020, Simon Poole wrote: > Am 19.02.2020 um 14:24 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > > In this case the statement that "small maps or multiple data > > sources" are the only cases where the document does not require > > visible attribution is

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline update

2020-02-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
M has towards data providers who provide us data under the condition we distribute it under the ODbL, not to put it effectively in the public domain. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://list

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline update

2020-02-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
to attribute in any form they like as long as it is equivalent or better in making the user aware of the use of OSM data as the visible attribution in the corner of the map. That an attribution hidden under an 'i' visible only on user interaction does not qualify as

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline update

2020-02-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
a different form that has *an equal or larger likeliness of making the user aware of the OSM data use*. If you want to give specific examples for how to do this then you should use examples that clearly meet this requirements. A hidden attribution evidently does not. -- Christoph Hormann http

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline update

2020-02-19 Thread Christoph Hormann
ng use. The idea that for example in a small screen display situation people are with a less visible attribution equally likely to become aware of the source of the data is without a basis in reason. Reason dictates that in a small screen display situation *different* methods of making the user aw

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline update

2020-02-19 Thread Christoph Hormann
emptive surrender of the OSMF in front of massive corporate interests. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] For the sake of peace | Re: Cease use of OpenStreetMap/Antifa logo

2020-02-17 Thread Christoph Hormann
u should try to convince them to do that, not Rory. Why should Rory - who does not share that sentiment and who has unselfishly offered to remove the logo to avoid people possibly feeling offended none the less - do that? -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/

Re: [OSM-talk] Cease use of OpenStreetMap/Antifa logo

2020-02-13 Thread Christoph Hormann
rnet.de/stgb/__86.html which does not apply to the logo in question. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-de] State of the Map in Kapstadt - Unterstützung für Reisekosten

2020-02-05 Thread Christoph Hormann
ch kein Termin fest: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_Southeast_Europe -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting template parameters copied to data items

2020-01-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
way that can be understood by mappers without a background in the technological aspects of Mediawiki and Wikidata alone can be very helpful to understand the issues with these. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@opens

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting template parameters copied to data items

2020-01-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
ion of tags is the thing to pursue, not moving towards a bot managed database in replacement of or in control of human contributions. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] international project communication (was: names of international objects)

2020-01-13 Thread Christoph Hormann
n particular also https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/2345 where we had much of the "what is the appropriate label language for places where few people live" more than three years ago already. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ __

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-12-30 Thread Christoph Hormann
ween the two - see: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2019-August/008741.html -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] use OSM data to select proprietary data

2019-12-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
Talking about compact binary data representation here of course, not raw OSM XML and no lossy compression. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] use OSM data to select proprietary data

2019-12-16 Thread Christoph Hormann
d require neither share-alike nor attribution since they are neither a Derivative Database, a Collective Database nor a Produced Work. So while your willingness to attribute is admirable this kind of attribution for mixed and processed data without shar

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] use OSM data to select proprietary data

2019-12-16 Thread Christoph Hormann
hing of additional value in combination with other data under open license terms. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] use OSM data to select proprietary data

2019-12-14 Thread Christoph Hormann
enario share-alike is meant for and why it was chosen as license for OSM. But there are of course fairly strong economic interests for this not being subject to share-alike so people think of ways to interpret the ODbL accordingly. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ __

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] use OSM data to select proprietary data

2019-12-13 Thread Christoph Hormann
lready wrote in https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-November/083535.html existing OSMF community guidelines suggest spatial operations like ST_Difference() and ST_Intersection() yield Derivative Databases that are subject to share-alike. -- Christoph Hormann

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
ection or any other) decides on the legal status of the resulting data set? You are aware that a difference is the same as an intersection with the complement, i.e. A \setminus B = A \cap B^c - see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complement_(set_theory) -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
s made with the intention to look at the matter with scientific methods. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
ot an OSM derivative that would be a recipe to de-ODBL-ify any subset of OSM data. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
or the law but derives from elementary logic. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-14 Thread Christoph Hormann
cess the record of such communication is a very strong political statement. Given that only one of this year's board candidates openly states to be working for facebook on their OSM user page - am i right to assume that the person you are talking about is Michal Migurski? -- Ch

[Talk-de] OSMF-Vorstands-Wahlen

2019-11-06 Thread Christoph Hormann
zu werden und an den Wahlen Teil zu nehmen (falls Ihr das noch nicht seid). Die OSMF kann sehr viel Positives für das Projekt bewirken - wenn sie denn die richtigen Entscheidungen fällt. Und das hängt maßgeblich davon ab, ob *Ihr* qualifizierte Leute in den Vorstand wählt. -- Christoph

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Reminder: OSM Etiquette guidelines

2019-11-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
between different parts of the community and the claim of something being a "conspiracy theory" will often be subjective and an instrument of cultural imperialism of some dominant culture what they consider to be the acceptable range of views you can have of reality onto th

Re: [OSM-talk] Maintaining privacy as a casual mapper

2019-11-03 Thread Christoph Hormann
ing patterns are in an inherent conflict with a functioning social interaction within the mapper community. People tend to respect the need for privacy and tolerate measures to protect that but it can be problematic in communication with fellow mappers as well. -- Christoph Hormann http://ww

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-12 Thread Christoph Hormann
Therefore this idea of a curated body of tagging documentation can only be a contribution to open community discourse and governance on tagging, it cannot be the result of it. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@open

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-11 Thread Christoph Hormann
g_changes I have not actually tried the technical implementation of this but given how it is used i doubt it would be suitable for the kind of content centered editorial review we are talking about here. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-11 Thread Christoph Hormann
ng and control over an important resource but that it will be difficult to find, motivate, select and retain qualified people to work on this. And documentation of the de facto meaning of tags, potentially focused on the most important ones, is of course - though evidently important - only one aspect of what Roland want

Re: [OSM-talk] Abuse of natural=cliff tag

2019-09-11 Thread Christoph Hormann
ntour line mapping with cliffs. But IMO that is not really wrong, that is just somewhat inprecise (and really hard to do better practically). -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-11 Thread Christoph Hormann
version management and functions to facilitate editorial review and discussion. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-10 Thread Christoph Hormann
Hello Roland, not sure if you have seen - i already gave my initial thoughts on this on https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/imagico/diary/390599 -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-09-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
t. I completely understand if you don't want to argue with me on that basis but if you do i expect to be taken seriously and my arguments being reasoned with and not being dismissed upfront as unqualified or confused. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-09-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
) part of the visible map rendering, attribution with other sources on a separate page that is visible after user interaction is acceptable. / /If OpenStreetMap is not the largest data provider for the visible map rendering, attribution with other sources on a separate page that is visible after

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-09-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 09 September 2019, Simon Poole wrote: > Am 09.09.2019 um 12:08 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > > Existing guidelines allow a lot of things that are clearly not > > allowed by the ODbL itself in terms of share-alike (like the > > regional cuts concept for example

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-09-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
s that might be perceived to be loopholes in the license itself with a clear message of: Here the safe terrain ends, we strongly suggest you don't go there if you don't want to get in legal trouble or potentially face the wrath of hundreds of thousands of OSM contributors and supporters. -

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-09-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
about making OSM data use possible where it would otherwise not be - this is about profit margins in the attention economy. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-09-08 Thread Christoph Hormann
t; Produced Work aware that Content was obtained from" - like the > > license says. No exceptions. > > Nobody is making any exceptions. Allowing for an 'attribution light' - a concept that is not in any way supported or implied by the ODbL - under specific circumstances, i

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-09-08 Thread Christoph Hormann
rit of license and why we have the attribution requirement and as explained the dilution threshold is also practically non-quantifiable. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-09-08 Thread Christoph Hormann
basis for any kind of universal rules. Yes, you can try patching the holes in this concept by re-defining what a map is but at the end of the day to define a relative fraction of OSM data use as a quantitative cutoff for an 'attribution light' is just a bad idea IMO. -- C

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-09-08 Thread Christoph Hormann
M source data used in a map than in the OSM data used attribution that is hidden by default is acceptable. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-09-08 Thread Christoph Hormann
e ODbL attribution requirements. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-de] Tags für brombeer sträucher

2019-08-23 Thread Christoph Hormann
ok. Für nicht als Nutzplanzen angeplanzte Brombeeren ist natural=scrub exakt richtig. Ggf. ergänzt mit genus=Rubus (gibts schon 46 mal) oder (präziser) taxon="Rubus subgenus rubus" (gibts 19 mal). -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ _

Re: [Talk-de] OSM Lizenzverstoß bei Kraichgau-Stromberg Tourismus e.V.

2019-08-17 Thread Christoph Hormann
ails hatten ja eher positiv geklungen. (Schon klar, dass wenn da jetzt Verleumdungs-Vorwürfe im Raum stehen keine Details öffentlich gemacht werden können. Aber wenn da der FOSSGIS in irgendeiner Form offiziell aktiv wird, wäre eine grundsätzliche Information drüber schon wichtig) -- Christoph Ho

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-16 Thread Christoph Hormann
the wiki no matter where it is and remove everything that is not strictly documenting the de facto meaning of tags in the OSM database the result would be a pretty compact body of documentation. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
sily found by other mappers that would massively emphasize tag proliferation since mappers will repeatedly invent new and different tags for certain things because they are unaware that another mapper has already invented a tag for this. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-08-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
or if it is comparable to possible attribution requirements of other geodata sources produced by people who are paid for their work has zero effect on the fulfilment of the requirements of the license. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-08-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
2012, so not a corporate representative, and has been at > osm.org/copyright ever since. Then let me rephrase: It looks pretty much like being put together by corporate representatives. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-08-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
- which is the case for almost all commercial maps. > That's unambiguous all > we need. Fussing about what other logos might be on the map is a > diversion and is not supported by the ODbL. I don't think anyone but you talked about logos here. -- Christoph H

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-08-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
ould result in the loss of trust from anyone seems ridiculous. And by the way if i try to follow your line of reasoning: you interestingly did not mention the most significant harm resulting from potentially unneccessary requirements: Lost profits. Ein Schelm wer böses dabei denkt... --

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-08-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
nt rule i think it goes beyond that - this is obviously not compatible with the license from my point of view). I find this kind of - well - reckless. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstre

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-08-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
ot;Substantial" Guideline, is missing so far. I am not sure about the origin of the 10k m^2 limit - that is not in the "Substantial" Guideline at the moment. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-08-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
mappers who don't care about attribution and who would be fine or would even prefer if OSM data was PD. But that is not my point here. Because also those mappers are to a large fraction fully aware that this view is not universal. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ __

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-08-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
with me but i hope you do not consider this statement to be an argument on the matter. For better understanding: Point 2 refers to a certain pattern in the design of the document and lists a number of example to demonstrate that. You could argue the observation of there being such a patt

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-08-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
interests of the OSM community we will have to create our own guideline that lives up to the promise of being a real "community guideline". -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

2019-08-08 Thread Christoph Hormann
w full publication of the raw data (which is not really necessary to provide as an option since this participants can easily do on their own). * optionally to either of these allow non-public dissemination of raw data to certain parties. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ _

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

2019-08-08 Thread Christoph Hormann
t; Select “publicly aggregated and anonymously” as answer to the first > question and the free form answers will be published. Aggregated means exactly the opposite. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.or

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

2019-08-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
g challenged and criticized personally. While i don't mind this there are definitely a lot of people who don't want or can't do this. And many of them probably would not mind their answers being published anonymously. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

2019-08-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
rs as we see fit and neither you nor anyone else may correct us if we do not correctly interpret what you wrote. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

2019-08-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
vey i published my answers: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/imagico/diary/390441 -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing question

2019-08-05 Thread Christoph Hormann
between mappers and data users that OSM is built on and depends on however the situation looks very different. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing question

2019-08-02 Thread Christoph Hormann
for access "by electronic or other means". Inversely the same applies to the nature of a produced work. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing question

2019-08-02 Thread Christoph Hormann
in a database-like fashion or more in the form of a finished product ready for human consumption. The scene geometry for a 3d rendering is quite clearly more database-like in its use. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ legal-talk mailing list legal

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

2019-07-26 Thread Christoph Hormann
ut use of either automated techniques or organized/paid mapping in OSM that seriously discusses the ethical and social questions that arise from it please do so. If and when this happens then we can have a rational discussion. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

2019-07-26 Thread Christoph Hormann
t." - Upton Sinclair - See > https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/11/30/salary/ > > Upton Sinclair is most famous for writing "The Jungle" as a young > man. Ah, thanks - that is indeed the likely origin. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

2019-07-26 Thread Christoph Hormann
ke people understand something if their livelihood depends on not understanding it. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Map of Population Density vs. OpenStreetMap density

2019-07-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
ell for things with a fairly defined amount of information per feature (like buildings, addresses, POIs) but not for geometrically sophisticated geometries. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Map of Population Density vs. OpenStreetMap density

2019-07-05 Thread Christoph Hormann
ds, addresses, shops etc.) and physical geography, which can be mapped just as densely in areas with no population as in densely populated areas. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] iD forces mistagging again

2019-06-29 Thread Christoph Hormann
te use numbers or structural conservativism (which was there first) is not one of them. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Updates to DigitalGlobe Imagery Layers

2019-06-29 Thread Christoph Hormann
map.org/#map=13/-77.9505/166.6831 -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] New mailing list about machine learning and OSM

2019-06-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
eral purpose algorithms'. But machine learning for the name of the mailing list is fine. In OSM we know to distinguish between a label (like a tag) and its meaning. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] New mailing list about machine learning and OSM

2019-06-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
he context of database systems, which i however have the impression is not what you are talking about. Most terms in this field are politically connotated - "artificial intelligence" implying a similarity to human intelligence, "machine learning" implying a similarity to human

Re: [OSM-talk] Règles d'éditions organisées / Directed editing guidelines

2019-06-25 Thread Christoph Hormann
do not want to do is sitting there and hoping for corporations to discover morality and realizing that in the long term this is more important than short term profits. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ _

Re: [OSM-talk] Règles d'éditions organisées / Directed editing guidelines

2019-06-25 Thread Christoph Hormann
ing nothing but a data wasteland for locals to deal with after the invadors have left. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

2019-06-10 Thread Christoph Hormann
siness partners of Facebook, in particular ones who are interested and depend on having a good relationship with OSM and publicly ask them (via Twitter for example) why they are cooperating with a company that systematically violates the OSM license. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

2019-06-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
must not do it is to negotiate with corporations like Facebook about to what extent they must follow the license. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

2019-06-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
everyone internalizes that being lenient on sustained license violations is not a way to support adoption of OSM as a data source but primarily a way to alienate huge parts of the contributor base. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ t

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

2019-06-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
ary/005862.html but this is more about behavioural rules. The requirement to comply with the license (which is something every OSMF data users has to do) is not something that makes sense to specifically ask from corporate members. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___

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