[OSM-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community
For a community to be resilient, resilient individuals are required. Those who are offended by everything only contribute to lessening the resistance of the community. Those who group by collectives only crush the first minority, the individual. Meritocracy should be the form of government, and if anyone believes that it is not, it is because he sees a lack of merits in himself, or in a group that he sees without merits. In no way is it good to propose to silence one group to favor another, it is the problem we have now. We can all speak and the helicopter gunships will not be silenced. Everyone has the same right to speak no more and no less. Long live freedom of expression! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community (Celine Jacquin)
That document is despicable, promoting discrimination of some groups pretending to help others. Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 13:06:45 -0600 From: Celine Jacquin To: osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org, talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello everybody I hope you are all well We, several groups, chapters, organizations and individuals, have reacted to the conversation in the osm-talk-list ( https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085692.html) considering that it is an incident symptomatic of the problem we have faced for many years in the community, which is one of the greatest obstacles to diversity at all levels of OSM. Time to make a real change. That is why we have developed a beginning of statement on the desirable mechanisms to work solidly on the rules of coexistence and improve diversity. We bring it to your attention and invite anyone who feels represented to sign it. Translations are in preparation (any help is welcome): https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit?usp=sharing On behalf of the signatories Best regards Céline Jacquin - ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?
Am 13.08.18 schrieb Simon Poole: Am 13.08.2018 um 18:46 schrieb Daniel Koć: Since buildings are not guaranteed to fit into OLC rectangles and they not 1:1 compatible, this usage makes sense for me. If you are doing that, why bother with OLC then, when you can just as well do some kind of sensible easily digestible house numbering? As you are recording the value in a geospatial dataset all the advantages of OLC vanish in a puff of smoke IMHO. It is similar to the (South?) American addressing scheme, everybody could compute the house number by measuring the distance to the next crossing, but it might be faster to look it up in your contact data. And even if your house is 10 m wide you only want to use (and memorize) one number, even if several numbers map to the same house. And in answer to Frederik: if your government does not feel responsible, just pick a number as a house or business owner. Fabian.___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Activity statistics per city (or region)
On 10/26/2015 10:52 AM, César Martínez Izquierdo wrote: I mean for instance list of all users and its declared location AFAIK it is not possible to access a list of declared locations (except for the users around you). It is rare but there are users who renamed their account, so there are more user names than numeric user ids. Fabian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject
On 09/08/2015 12:16 AM, Dave F. wrote: I fail to understand why railways are singled out as a special case. If roads, buildings or woods get demolished, they get deleted. please have a look at the tag definition in the wiki: "where the rails have been removed but the route is still visible in some way" [1] Building railway lines leads to many cuttings, embankments and bridges, which e.g. predestines abandoned railway lines to convert them into cycleways. This was frequently done and discussed for future projects especially in mountaineous regions where I live. Fabian. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Arailway%3Dabandoned ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Overpass area query gives results outside area...
Am 08.11.13 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier: To return multiple types of objects, this works: area[name="Senegal"]; ( node(area)[name="Fatick"];<; way(area)[name="Fatick"];<; rel(area)[name="Fatick"];<; area(area)[name="Fatick"];<; ); out; I would expect the area() to be a subset of way() and rel(), so you wouldn't need to add it to the query? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Overpass area query gives results outside area...
Am 06.11.13 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier: I need to extract objects that fall within the bounds of Senegal - so I turned to the Overpass API... But it seems that my level of understanding does not yet match its power. I need your help ! As an exercise, let's find Dakar in Senegal - http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1qa : area[name="Senegal"]; (area [name="Dakar"] (area); <; ); out; area[name="Senegal"]; node(area)[name="Dakar"]; out; returns a place=city, place=state and a container harbour, but not Dakar in San Sebastián. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org - some numbers
Am 24.08.13 schrieb Lester Caine: See other thread an why there should not be a delete button! I made the same case on potlatch in the past and now the reasons are even greater. In your last 5 changesets you deleted 7 nodes. You improved the quality of the map by deleting (and adding) nodes. When you try a new editor or add a node by mistake, you might not want to save everything you added. So you need a way to delete them without throwing away all your changes. Fabian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to map mountain pass in Poltach 2
Am 22.01.13 schrieb Peter Wendorff: Am 22.01.2013 07:34, schrieb Clifford Snow: On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Tanveer Singh wrote: I was looking at some roads in the himalayas which pass through high mountain passes(marked by signboard). You want to mark the mountain pass point with a node. In advanced add mountain_pass = yes Additional to "mountain_pass=yes" and "name=... La" you might want to add ele=4567 (height in metres). Regards, Fabian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Re. OpenBuildingModels repository
Hi, Am 05.08.12 schrieb Frederik Ramm: On 03.08.2012 18:32, Alexander Zipf wrote: Matthias mentioned in his answer that this is not planned yet, but in fact I like this idea very much and certainly we would love to welcome outside contributions. I think this is crucial for the success of the project. it's not that crucial if the main focus is the collection of data. As long as the data is open and updatable and Tobias, Komяpa et al. accept the decision for VRML then this will be more important for the success as a repository, whoever will use it. Fabian.___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] data reconciliation tools
Am 26.07.11 schrieb Michael Kugelmann: Once more: my original email was a question/request to the foundation and/or server admins. Please set up a (almost) realtime tool/server or support Fabian to get his server on "realtime mode". The LWG has enough work without developping tools, but as you can read in https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_122fxn8g2ck they fulfilled your request. And for the admin a broken raid controller is fortunately more important. Turning knifes is a strange way to try to motivate people ... Fabian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] data reconciliation tools
Am 23.07.11 schrieb Michael Kugelmann: I for my personnal view think that's way too slow for current demands: we should see at least a daily update for the demands of the current work which is necessary to replace ways. Is there a way to speed up e.g. by getting closer to the main database or so? On Saturday the update to the recent full planet dump finished, so the data is now from June. A speed up depends on the way the diffs work. Can sbd. tell me whether the daily/hourly/minutely diffs contain all changesets of the day/... or only the last version per object? Beste regards, Fabian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] data reconciliation tools
Am 20.07.11 schrieb Andrew Guertin: http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/ Is this using old data? Yes. The license data is updated three times per day, but the map data including the object history is still from April. An update to the data of the recent full planet dump from June is in progress. So, a way will change it's colour after a user accepts the license. But it will stay in the old colour for some weeks if the way is recreated with a new ID. Fabian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] the 70% , was Re: License graph
Am 19.04.11 schrieb Elizabeth Dodd: Are we counting humans or data? I count data at http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/ below the map, Toby and Fred count humans, while SunCobalt and wicking count both at http://odbl.de/ Fabian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What the license change is going to do to the map
Am 09.02.11 schrieb Toby Murray: http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/ I think it only looks at roads but it's a start. Also, I'm not sure how up to date it is. At the time this map was created there were about 3700 people who had accepted. Now there are close to 8,000. Not sure if it is rendering off of live updates or not. The users_agreed is updated 2-3 times per day, so the colours are up to date. For the map I need the full dump. At the moment you see the map of October, but the January map should go live in a few days. Fabian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] license change map
Am 11.11.10 schrieb Anthony: What exactly does it mean for a way to be "created and edited only by people who did accept the ODBL"? Specifically, are you looking at the underlying nodes, or not? At the moment I'm only looking at the ways as it is visible in the API history. So an edit consists of editing tags, adding or removing nodes. I don't check if a node is moved., but only if there is a new version of a way. Fabian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] license change map
Am 11.11.10 schrieb Serge Wroclawski: So far 3700 mappers agreed to the new license. Out of 68 million ways 46% are created and edited only by people who did accept the ODBL 42% were not edited by a proponent of ODBL, I don't know if your intentions are to be neutral or not, but this is not a neutral statement. I have a opinion of the CTs and the license, but my itentions with the map are neutral and I thought my posting was neutral, because I didn't state anything about the mappes who didn't accept CT + license. It seems I failed. What you can say is that 46% are created/edited by people who accepted the new Contributor Terms, and 42% haven't. So let me train neutral language and add to my stats that 3700 accepted the license+CT and 98,163 of the editors of the ways have not accepted the license+CT. Fabian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] license change map
As the license thermometer[1] turns greener I was interested in how far this already effects the map data. So using the planet history I took a closer look on the ways. So far 3700 mappers agreed to the new license. Out of 68 million ways 46% are created and edited only by people who did accept the ODBL. 42% were not edited by a proponent of ODBL, the remaining 12% of the ways have a mixed history. You will find a map of the ways colored according to their license (red = CCBYSA, green = ODBL, yellow = partly ODBL) at http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/ Fabian. [1] http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/treemap.png ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] aeroway_obstacle Feature Proposal - Voting - Proposed features/aeroway obstacle
Voting stopped by alpilotx ... Sorry guys. I have completely forgotten to check the Talk page. In the first days I didn't get responses and then I was believing, I would get automatic notification if I set the page on watch (which was obviously not the case). And I got only one response via the mailing list ... So, again sorry for the inconvenience and I will now go back to the RFC state. I will see if I can clean up the - partially - valid objections from the Talk. Andras Fabian www.alpilotx.de Jetzt komfortabel bei Arcor-Digital TV einsteigen: Mehr Happy Ends, mehr Herzschmerz, mehr Fernsehen! Erleben Sie 50 digitale TV Programme und optional 60 Pay TV Sender, einen elektronischen Programmführer mit Movie Star Bewertungen von TV Movie. Außerdem, aktuelle Filmhits und spannende Dokus in der Arcor-Videothek. Infos unter www.arcor.de/tv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] aeroway_obstacle Feature Proposal - Voting - Proposed features/aeroway obstacle
After an RFC time of 4 weeks, and no big objections - only some minor corrections - I would like to promote this feature request to the Voting. Voting starts today 2008-12-01 and will end on 2008-12-15. Here is the link to the proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/aeroway_obstacle Thank you very much for your vote! Andras Fabian www.alpilotx.de Jetzt komfortabel bei Arcor-Digital TV einsteigen: Mehr Happy Ends, mehr Herzschmerz, mehr Fernsehen! Erleben Sie 50 digitale TV Programme und optional 60 Pay TV Sender, einen elektronischen Programmführer mit Movie Star Bewertungen von TV Movie. Außerdem, aktuelle Filmhits und spannende Dokus in der Arcor-Videothek. Infos unter www.arcor.de/tv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - aeroway_obstacle
Thanks for the link (I didn't see it when I searched for existing info in the wiki - I searched for "obstacle" and "obstruction" ... neither one turned up this page). I think, our tagging schema would fit fairly well in the "obstacles" part of this definition (which is not very detailed in the Kosmos_AirNav definition). AND our definition also has the advantage, that it is more-or-less in sync with official definitions like the ones from the FAA (so their data could be imported fairly easily). Andras Fabian Am Monday 03 November 2008 21:52:51 schrieben Sie: > See also: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Kosmos_AirNav_Rules#Obstructions_fo >r_low-flying_charts > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2008-November/031052.html > (Tagging tall buildings) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - aeroway_obstacle
Proposal An Air traffic obstacle is a tall structure (a node, or linear feature) which can endanger air traffic. Air traffic obstacles have to be marked in most cases with red and white colored markings and with aircraft warning lights at night. On larger structures blinking lights are required. This definition was taken from Wikipedia, see: Air traffic obstacle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_traffic_obstacle) OSM already has the category aeroway for marking and categorising anything to do with where (mainly civilian) aircraft, helicopters take off and land. Obstacles are an important part of air navigation - especially in in low visibility conditions - as they need to be avoided at any cost. OSM also already has most of the potential obstacles as features - like the man_made structures lighthouse, tower, beacon - but lacks any kind of tagging, which explicitly and additionally categorizes them as being air traffic obstacles. Rationale This new feature would make it possible, to additionally mark physical features as being hazardous obstacles in the aeroway category. This would enable map makers in the air navigation sector, to enrich their air navigational charts with this relevant information. A secondary - and also very important to the proposing party - application would be to use this information in flight simulation and thus in flight training. One specific case on hand is the X-Plane flight simulator (http://www.x- plane.com/) which is lacking this data outside the United States. This data is seldom available freely to the public, and even in those cases is not of the best quality (the above mentioned wiki links lists three such examples). As a result of this the feature, the scenery developer of X-Plane flight simulator could much more easily include this data into their system. But of course, it would be open to every other simulator too. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/aeroway_obstacle Andras Fabian www.alpilotx.de ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM "real" paper map of Freiburg, Germany
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, you produced a nice map there. | We're very proud of the quality we achieved here. So you can be proud. It was quite a lot | of work; we first tweaked the rules file to get the right colours | (i.e. the usual colours in German city maps) I think it would be a real cool thing if you could make the rule file availaible. I'd like to make a picture-map from Göttingen - http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=51.52786958573265&lon=9.923121610302884&zoom=17&layers=B000F000 that looks more german-style. Maybe somewhere in the wiki osmarender section. I think generaly some coutry specific styles would be cool, if there are more differences in other countries. Would be a hard think for all zoom levels ... And once again, nice work. I think such things helps spreading OSM very much. Greetings, Fabian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAkfv6GkACgkQ8pTXCZH6O192qQCcDNbJf8PxRGCgVYk20vZuXWp8 xhsAoLimeQMcnGDHv8o/Z2LSw3I0akQ4 =F0TL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
