Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
Hi, I've waited long to respond to this thread, but I've followed it since the begin. I think we should proceed with the bulk importation and set up a maproultette (or similar) system to do QA on Wikidata tags. Also, I would add that Wikidata is different from many (or all) other databases since: 1. it can give REAL value to OSM users (while most dbs don't) 2. It's philosophically close to OSM (while most dbs aren't) 3. WMF and OSM Foundations are working toghether on many projects, and this could be an awesome new piece to add to this collaboration These are my 2 cc, Fabio A Locati -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (CET/CEST) Phone: +39 348 2668873 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: B1CD 2318 532D 57D6 56FA E409 64DE 5B09 C09A 145F Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:31 PM, SteveC wrote: > How will fosm (assuming it reaches the stage of being functional) continue to > sync with OSM when the licenses are incompatible? I think they will stop it as soon as last CC dump is released Fabio ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Question for the community
Am 18.06.2011 19:46, schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen: > If I declare that all my contributions from 19-06-2011 on will > > be published as PD, will that prevent the community from > > blocking my account ? > > > If you accept the CT+ODbL and mark the PD checkbox is fine. If you don't accept the CT+ODbL, your account will be blocked in phase 4 ;) Fabio A Locati ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:38 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: > Where its said that a person checked the box ? > And not a bot, and if it were human, who did it ? > Someone who shared/hacked your WiFi ? > There is no legal relation between an ip-number and > a person unless there is other circumstantial evidence, > such as a double opt-in confirmed log-in in with username > and password. Good questions, but these themes are already solved in the laws since digital contracts are valid and that you need to be logged to accept the ODbL+CT (and, btw: who assures that your sign is really tour sign and nota fake?) Fabio A Locati -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License graph
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Steve Coast wrote: > ...which is ignoring the 70% or so of all of those people who never edited > and can be switched over without incident. and the people that accepted during the registration -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box
Am I worng or the PD-box is for statistical use only? Fabio A Locati On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: > Cartinus xs4all.nl> writes: > >> >> On Monday 18 April 2011 04:47:30 Steve Coast wrote: >> > Today I watched a few people sign up for OSM and they all ticked the PD >> > box without even looking at it, it was very entertaining. >> >> And hereby the expected anti-PD campaign is officially started. > > I would guess that lots of people are also selecting ODbL + CT without looking > at those and the anti-PD campaign has started a long, long time ago. But it > would be really entertaining to see statistics about how many people have > checked the PD tick box. > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License graph
Is a really good piece of work :) I think it'll be very useful ;). The only thing I would add, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea, is a line for the people that still have to accept or decline it ( 286581 - agreed - disagreed). I'm only concerned about the scale that could be screwed, but I think this is a useful information, at least in Phase 3, where the goal is to pushing people to press accept or decline. Thanks for your awesome work :) Fabio A Locati On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Hiroshi Miura wrote: > Hi Toby, > > Good job! Thanks. > > I wanna use it for japanese osm mappers. > > Hiroshi > OSM Foundation Japan > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:48 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar > wrote: > >>>> Could you create a graph that shows the graph since you started >>>> collecting data in addition to or instead of just the last 48 hours? >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> This graph is very informative. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Toby Murray wrote: >>>>> Not sure if anyone else is already doing this but two days ago I >>>>> thought it would be fun (maybe even useful) to graph the number of >>>>> users who have accepted/declined the new license/CT in anticipation of >>>>> the next phase going into effect on Sunday. I hacked together a quick >>>>> & dirty script to use as a data source in the Zabbix instance I have >>>>> set up at home. Zabbix is geared towards system monitoring so it is a >>>>> little odd to graph something completely unrelated but it was >>>>> available and easy to do and at the end of the day, a graph is a >>>>> graph. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, I didn't feel like sending out the URL to my private zabbix >>>>> instance at home to the mailing list so I set up a cron job to >>>>> periodically refresh a static image on a more legitimate server. It >>>>> can be seen here: >>>>> >>>>> http://ni.kwsn.net/~toby/OSM/license_count.html >>>>> > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] View Access Blocked?
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Steve Doerr wrote: > Fortunately, I can get round it by using a different browser where I'm not > logged in, but it's a bit of a pain. I think it should be considered a bug. Or a feature to make people press on 'Accept' or 'Decline ' ;) As long as un-logged users are fine, I think is fine ;) Fabio A Locati -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 7:38 AM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert
Gremmen wrote:
>
>>While I certainly understand the pro-PD argument, what would folks
>>think about putting the checkbox after the submit button?
I agree, it should be done
>
> It's rather degrading saying this about community members signing up,
> when at the same time you same people expect that clicking
> another box on another page ("I agree to the CT")
> creates a binding contract.
>
> If you really need votes that you can account for, send
> the members a printed form to sign.
> Or at least use a input box where people
> have to (copy)type a simple phrase like
In all the countries I know of ticking a checkbox is comparable to
sign a printed contract, so I thin is pointless to have a written
contract or a Copy&Past thing ;)
Fabio A Locati
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Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports
Have you considered that the goal of OSM is creating a free (as speach) map of the whole world... I think your view is not so close to the project goal.. 2011/3/6, Russ Nelson : > Peter Budny writes: > > I find this discussion very distasteful. > > That's because nobody is talking about the REAL > solution. OpenStreetMap is the place for user-edited volunteered > geographic information. It's NOT the place for importing information > which would be nonsensical if a user edited it. > > The REAL solution is to have a ClosedStreetMap.org, which publishes > data in the same format under the same license using the same tag set > using the same API as OpenStreetMap, only it publishes read-only data. > Some of the imports that I've done (NYC bike racks, NYS DEC lands, and > NYS State Parks, which I'm currently working on), the data is > maintained elsewhere. It useful to have for OpenStreetMap users, but > not for OpenStreetMap editors. Why? Because for at least the last two, > the boundaries are off in the middle of sometimes very dense woods, > are not necessarily marked by signs, if signs are present they are not > authoritative, and the original source of the data is a legal > description, and no hand editing can change that. > > So take all these data sets, and their transformative programs, create > .osm files out of them, and throw them into a database. When you get > updates, rebuild the database. > > There's a few problems with the idea, e.g. what if somebody adds > something to OSM that's already in CSM? Or, what if the data, although > published from an authoritative source, is dirty? How does OSM > override data in CSM? > > But I think there are fewer problems than the current system of one > person dumping in megabytes for which there is no practical means of > updating with another import. > > -- > --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com > Crynwr supports open source software > 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 > Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog > > _______ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Inviato dal mio dispositivo mobile Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL
I'll only answer the technical part: no, the tool doe consider all the edits of a person in the same way (based on their presence in the list published hourly by the OSMF) ;) PS: Austria is now proccessing correctly ;) -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: > Hmm, is Austria not in Europe any more? Or possibly some problem with your > script that there is no entry for it? Sorry, forgot to do it. Now I'm extracting Austria and soon will be present :) > Robert Kaiser Fabio Locati -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephan Knauss wrote: > On 18.12.2010 10:36, Fabio Alessandro Locati wrote: >> >> I've written a tool to check the amount of object versions available >> for relicensing. > > Is this using a full history as a source? What assumptions do you take to > declare an element "ready"? Yes, it use full history. I'm not speaking of objects, but versions, so I do not take any assumption over the 'readiness' of an object, I only count how many objects versions did any user and sum them up ;). > Statistics based on a current dump are already available a while. Original > script by Hanno Hecker, some improvements from my side produces a statistic > like this: > http://downloads.osm-tools.org/check-odbl-th-20101211.html I know there are different tools for this (there is also the colored map ;)), but my tool does divide people based on where the edit are. This is useful to say like: if XYZ will accept CT/ODbL, my area will be ok :). I'm now working on other countintents and to be able to provide more geographically limited data. Like based on administrative border 4/6. My tool is aiming to make easier to understand how is majorly making the ODbL map [1] red in a given state ;). PS: Maybe we could create a wiki-page to collect all this tools :) [1] http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/ -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: > If I have not accepted the new CT and my name is not in the list for my > country, is that a bug, or is there some other reason why a mapper would not > be on the list? (Maybe I don't 'own' any 'versions', whatever that means.) > My username is sdoerr. Yeah, I guess you found the third bug. I'll look into this :). Btw: you own 6646 objects versions, and 6462 are in UK ;) -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL
Hi guys :), I've written a tool to check the amount of object versions available for relicensing. You can find the data here: http://repo.grimp.eu/osm . At the moment, only Europe is there, but I have a couple of computers working while I'm writing to make available all the other countries too ;). Each nation is in it's continent folder, and has two files '_status' and '_not_accepted'. The first one is a quick summary of the actual situation of that country, while the second is an ordered list (based on the versions they own) of the people who have not already agreed with CT/ODbL. You can find the same two files for each continent too ;). PS: There are two known bugs: - Cyprus seems to have 0 edits (I think this is a problem with CM polygon;)) - Ireland and Europe miss of the last two lines of the _status file. The problem is somewhere in the Irish list (I guess a user has a name that my script does not appreciate), but is transfered also to the Europe one. -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why bz2?
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > We have introduced a new binary format that compresses far better than even > xz, so if you're willing to install extra software for uncompressing data, > go with the new pbf format. Extracts on the download.geofabrik.de site are > already available in .osm.pbf, and sonner or later the full planet file will > be, too. Awesome, but I haven't found a way to uncompress it. PS: My question raised because my 4 cores PhenomII computer has downloaded for more than 11 hours and is uncompressing since 4 hours ago the planet with full history and haven't finished yet ;) -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Why bz2?
It seems that all files from planet.openstreetmap.org are in .bz2 format. Why using it instead of xz? xz can compress (usually) more than bz2 and is way faster to compress/uncompress.(1) I'm sure that there are other sources that report the same info. Please, consider xz as a possibility. It would decrease the space needed, the time used to make the planets and the bandwith use. Thanks, Fabio Locati 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/infrastruct...@lists.fedoraproject.org/msg01143.html -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] South Pole?
I guess is created from the position of north pole... On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Nakor wrote: > Did the South Pole move? > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=0&lon=0&zoom=17&layers=M > > More seriously there is no data there and I am wondering why it displays > "South Pole" > > Thanks, > > N. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] license change map
> Ed Avis wrote: >> Please. _Would_ be devastated by data loss, if someone decided to delete >> all >> that data. Noone decideto "delete all that data", in fact, we are still in phase 2 of the migration, and the data deletion will come up in phase 5... so we stillhave plenny of time to talk to people that still hadn't agreed on the new license. Also, in phase 3 all the users will be notified of the existence of a new license. This will surely increase a lot the number of people who accept the new license, since I'm sure the iggest part of the people that hadn't yet accepted have no idea that there is a new license coming up. -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Flight "paths" in OSM
Why iwould it be not useful to public transport routing? On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Mike N. wrote: > Even a relation adds no information to the map, other than perhaps "these > are points on the surface of the earth which allow for an unobstructed > atmospheric path to be calculated between". > > There are about 28,000 aeroway=aerodrome tags, and 12,000 runways > tagged. So if we wish to add relations between all possible airports, that > represents about 72,000,000 great circle relations that would need to be > added to cover them all. > > From: Aun Johnsen > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 10:34 AM > To: OpenStreetMap > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Flight "paths" in OSM > If there is any interest of mapping airline routes, than do it with a > relation between the airport nodes, as great circles can easily be > calculated between two known positions. Making lines on the map is easy > enough when you have the end positions, and nodes in between is not > necessary at all. > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] What's up in Cloudmade?
In a couple of days Steve and the community ambassador [1] are leaving CloudMade... is happening something big? (In a certain way, this remembers to me all the former SUN workers that are leaving Oracle... [1] http://opengeodata.org/last-community-ambassador-resigns-from-cloudm -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] In what direction should OSM go?
I think imports are important. - The 'dead data' point have been covered from TimSC, imho - The 'it discourage new editors' point... I strongly disagree, in fact more user OSM has, more potential editor it has. Who wants to use a map that is way worst (because is lacking data) than GoogleMaps, OVIMaps, Gamin's maps etc? I think no one, or a very little amount On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Grant Slater wrote: > On 29 September 2010 11:26, Nic Roets wrote: >> >> Obviously there are many exceptions to your rule, like the TIGER import. >> > > TIGER isn't a good example of a successful import. > > The TIGER import killed a fledgling community in the US, which is now > only slowly recovering. TIGER has masses of data without anyone taking > any ownership. Do we really need inaccurate, incorrectly tagged data > for a dirt track crossing the Rockies? > > Nic, local example... Durban South Africa, we imported a dataset, the > few new mappers who were starting up these stopped mapping and haven't > returned post import. The import data is now stagnating. The imported > data also has many errors. > > Yes, the ODbL + CT may raise the bar on imports by making sure the > supplied data is on _OUR_ terms. I think this is a good thing. > > Regards > Grant > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation : A solution proposal
Only a question: Node A_1 is created as CC-BY-SA. Node A_2 (same as A_1) is created as ODbL. What a mess whould happen? When I'm editing, I'm editing A_1? Or maybe A_2? Or if: Node A_1 exists under CC-BY-SA. Node A_2 (same as A_1) is created under PD. The CC map will have both nodes. Am I wrong or it would be a giant mess? I like the idea (or, at least, the basic idea) but I think the implementation would create giant messes. On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:58 AM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: > A fork as stipulated is not necessarily about a group of people leaving > OSM , but about > > we (OSM) deciding to continue in two or more future directions > > covered by different licenses, and maybe finally decide which license fits > best. > > > > This would require the OSM database to *include a extra field for each*and > every item indicating the license > > the data was provided by its contributor. The license choice can be made in > the users profile. > > > > For most of OSM there is no difference. > > *The license is only relevant once data is extracted to external parties* > . > > > > External parties will therefore always know under what license any node and > any way of the > > database had been granted to them. > > > > The map server and most applications at would remain as they are. > > > > We may however create a second and or more maps showing only the data from > specific licenses > > and enabling OSM-ers to evaluate the consequences of their choices. > > > > I think this is the only way to solve this everlasting and destructive > license discussion. > > > > It requires however, some flexibility of mind, and the trust that OSM will > not > > abuse the choice made by its contributors. As the database and the license > field will > > be visible to all of us, I trust that will be not a major problem. > > > > > > Gert Gremmen > > - > > [image: Osm] > > Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) > > P* Before printing, think about the environment.* > > > > > > *Van:* talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto: > talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] *Namens *80n > *Verzonden:* Monday, August 23, 2010 5:17 PM > *Aan:* m...@koppenhoefer.com > *CC:* talk@openstreetmap.org > *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA > 2.0continuation > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:21 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer < > dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2010/8/23 Michael Kugelmann : > > > BTW: @Felix Hartmann > > using words like > >> > >> so fuck off. > > > > shows that you don't have arguments. So step back - defamation is alsways > a > > sign of weakness. Learn a good conduct before you continues with the > > discussion. > > to be fair: he didn't write (others) should f**k off, what he meant > was "clearly state this somewhere and tell everyone else to fuck off". > Thus I agree that this might not be adequate language, you shouldn't > critisize him for that, probably he wasn't aware because English is > not his primary language. > > On the argument I agree though: make your own mailing lists for your > fork. It's probably OK to announce it here (with an URL where to go, > which was actually missing in your announcement), but further > discussions should then be brought to the place of your fork, not > inside the resources of OSM. > > I also agree it would be absurd to have OSM handle over the account > data of its contributors (and is against almost any privacy law at > least in Europe). There is also no logics in that: people who want to > can simply create a new account with their old credentials on the fork > site (I'm not planning to join the fork, but if I was I surely > wouldn't use the same pw I used for OSM). > > There is absolutely no need for OSM to relinquish any private account > data. No fork will ever need that data and I doubt that any fork would even > bother asking OSM for it. > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia <>___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation
> I don't think making passwords publicly available is a good idea, but > it might be a sign of good faith on OSM(F)'s behalf if it were to > facilitate an easy method for people waiting to claim their > account/edits on a forked database. I hope you are kidding... When someone signed-up at OSM there wasn't written that that data would be public, and - in our society - is given for granted that these data are not redistribuited in any way. I think you are abusing of the idea of 'good faith' -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapquest launches site based on OSM!
I hope AOL will put people (paid by them, obviously) to improve all the maps and merge the changes into the OSM db... it would be wonderful :) On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: > On 07/09/2010 04:42 PM, Ian Dees wrote: >> Presumably because the data's not good enough in the US to market it to the >> whole world. > > Sure, but it’s beta anyway, so I think people wouldn’t be expecting too > much from it. Still nice that they render it at least. > > —Alex Mauer “hawke” > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?
After close to a month... no news.. so... will this happens or not? On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Igor Brejc wrote: > Hi, > Let me just add one note to John's comments about Maperitive: it already > "out of the box" supports 19 zoom levels, but you can modify the > configuration and set the max zoom to a higher > level: http://maperitive.net/docs/manual/Advanced_Configuration.html > Igor > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:18 PM, john whelan wrote: >> >> Have a look at Maperitive. Because the processing is done on the local >> machine it gives you much more control. I've been playing with .bat files, >> you can run them from a desktop icon, to select some POIs and display them >> but not others. Being in Canada I also use the technique to switch the >> display language, only works where the name:fr is available. >> >> The other thing you can do is render from a local file so no internet >> connection is required. You do have to change the rules to point to local >> icons though. >> >> Cheerio John, >> >> On 17 May 2010 12:44, pavithran wrote: >>> >>> On 17 May 2010 17:32, Gregory wrote: >>> > Now a lot of places are full of pro-mappers, we are doing house >>> > numbers, >>> > shops, football pitch lines... >>> > Do we need an extra zoom level? >>> >>> YES and I was thinking of posting about it but waited because I want >>> to learn about simple tiles generation for small area using osmarender >>> (where I could set my own zoom level and was suggested by amm at diary >>> http://bit.ly/8Z6ieY ) . Openstreetmap could enrich the map experience >>> like never before, now that some experienced mappers have started >>> mapping shops inside a shopping mall . >>> >>> It definitely makes mapping easy in developing areas where most of the >>> shops are situated side by side in a small area which is in contrast >>> to UK/european shops which occupy large areas . >>> >>> Here is a small Tale of two shops : One nice lane in a bazaar of a >>> small town I found two bakeries . One lies almost opposite to other . >>> The nice bakery is called 'Taj bakery' other one is 'Golden Bakery ' >>> Mapnik in a lower zoom level shows it as Golden bakery . I actually >>> zoomed to a higher zoom level witha hope to see both bakeries . >>> Unfortunately it could show only golden bakery :( Seeing it with data >>> only shows the POI . I stopped mapping all the bazaars because Indian >>> streets unfortunately are constructed as bazaars with sometimes >>> collection of similar selling item. And I am forced to NOT map >>> selectively some shop when I am mapping those bazaars . Selecting some >>> shop as important and some shop as not important is very daunting task >>> :( Higher population areas have close knit shops I am wondering why >>> someone has not demanded for detailed mapping in those areas. >>> >>> Coming to extra processing power & bandwidth I think its time to move >>> ahead . I think that atleast osmarender which has a lower zoom level >>> when compared to mapnik and should immediately set to mapnik zoom >>> level ( just a matter of personal liking towards osmarender ) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> pavithran sakamuri >>> http://look-pavi.blogspot.com >>> >>> ___ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?
> Adding a zoomlevel adds 4 tiles for each tile in the previous zoomlevel. > You'll go from 91 billion tiles to 366 billion. > This meaning you need 4 times the load to generate, 4 times the storage to > hold them, 4 times the traffic to display them. Mathematically speaking is true, but maybe is not true in real world. I have seen a lot of times people not using the last level of zoom (how many times you have to see a whole road or even more then one road? ) therefore the traffic will not be 4 times more. Also, even considering '4 times more' as true, we have to consider that is only 4 times more the traffic generated by the zoom level 18, not the whole OSM traffic. I think it would very important to know the actual saturation of processors, hd and traffic to be able to give a though point of view over adding a new zoom level. my two cents, Fabio -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
