Re: [Talk-us] Washington DC place node cleanup

2020-12-04 Thread Kevin Kenny
Native en-US speaker here. The city of Washington and the District of Columbia are coterminous. Toponyms such as 'Georgetown', 'Anacostial', 'University Heights', refer to neighbourhoods within the city. It's quite common in the US to say, 'D.C.' when talking about the city - perhaps even

Re: [Talk-us] Reference numbers to use for hiking trail route relations

2020-10-15 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 5:48 PM Mark Brown wrote: > I've noticed that the US Topo Maps are way out of date before - whole > rivers have shifted since the version that displays on JSOM was last > compiled. Still, like TIGER roads, it's better than nothing I guess. > No surprise. USGS was

Re: [Talk-us] Reference numbers to use for hiking trail route relations

2020-10-11 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 6:09 PM Mark Brown wrote: > Just mapping some of the trails in the Cabinet Mountains in the Idaho > panhandle, from the US Topo Maps. Noticed that the trails have numbers. > What should I put in the "ref" for the route relation? It's perfectly acceptable to put a trail

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 3:15 PM Evin Fairchild wrote: > Many of his downgrading from Trump to primary were completely unjustified. Oh, $LC_DEITY, autocorrupt in 2020! (I'd have loved to have downgraded Trump in the primary, but this year he was unopposed.) Yeah, I know, you meant 'trunk'. --

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Kevin Kenny
1. I agree with Paul that the US definitely does have trunk roads. High-speed dual carriageways with some grade crossings, or 'super twos,' both qualify. (See (3) for the counterargument about 'importance to the highway network.') 2. The network and route number do not reliably identify the

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

2020-09-24 Thread Kevin Kenny
Another vote for Evin and Minh's interpretation. I've been tagging named, signed, suburban (in the US sense) subdivisions with landuse=residential and name=*. I make no distinction among the subdivisions that consist of apartments, terraces, or detached houses (except when mapping the buildings

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

2020-09-24 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 6:04 AM Minh Nguyen wrote: > More recently, Kevin Kenny reimplemented the shield renderer using a > more robust approach [3] and has discussed route relation support with > the openstreetmap-carto developers. [4] > > OSMUS is interested in offering an Americ

Re: [Talk-us] Cooper Country State Forest in Keweenaw County, MI [parcel ownership]

2020-09-02 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 5:34 PM Doug Peterson < dougpeter...@dpeters2.dyndns.org> wrote: > That is made up of two properties. The southern, larger square is owned by > Thomas & Jane Griffith. The northern, smaller square is owned by the John & > Jane Griffith. The other square to the west of that,

Re: [Talk-us] Unintentional improvements in OSM data influencing / improving other databases

2020-09-02 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 2:48 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > But if we are talking about legal parcel boundaries or legal protected > area boundaries, or administrative limits, then it's not at all possible > for OpenStreetMap users to resolve these conflicts in our database alone. > > What needs to

Re: [Talk-us] Cooper Country State Forest in Keweenaw County, MI

2020-09-02 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:47 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > My goodness, look at that monstrosity: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1976405#map=8/46.459/-87.627 > > How can we claim that all of these patches of state-owned land constitute > a single OpenStreetMap feature? > Because they

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest boundary to render on standard map

2020-09-01 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 3:14 PM stevea wrote: > Here I weigh-in with what I believe to be a crucial distinction between > "cadastral data which are privately owned" and "data which can be > characterized as cadastral, but which are publicly owned and are often used > for recreation, hiking and

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest

2020-09-01 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 9:03 AM Frederik Ramm wrote: > On 01.09.20 14:40, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > We don't map cadastre at least partly out of respect for personal > > privacy - something that is not at issue with government-owned land. > > I think I'm with Joseph here, we don

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest

2020-09-01 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 12:52 AM Bradley White wrote: > If you drive into a checkerboard >> area of private/public land, there are no Forest Service signs at the >> limits of private land. >> > > In my neck of the woods, USFS owned land is signed fairly frequently with > small yellow property

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest

2020-09-01 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 3:18 AM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > The OpenStreetMap community has long agreed that mapping cadastral parcels > (land ownership) is not in scope. Protect area and National Park boundaries > were supposed to be less difficult to confirm and more valid. > > But if what we are

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest boundary to render on standard map

2020-08-31 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 7:11 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I believe there might be an issue with these complex multipolygons which > is preventing osm2pgsql from handling them. Perhaps it is because nodes are > shared between two outer rings? > > However, I also want to note that it is not clear

Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on Devil's Slide Bunker (San Mateo, CA)

2020-08-31 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 9:06 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > 31 Aug 2020, 10:12 by frede...@remote.org: > > And @Mateusz, I am not convinced that "there are great views from here" > is sufficient for tourism=viewpoint because it is too subjective. With >

Re: [Talk-us] Mapping the Future I-87?

2020-08-23 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 5:21 PM Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > For the last few months, I've been seeing "Future I-87" signs along > portions of US-64 and US-17 in North Carolina. I-87[0] exists on a section > of highway near Raleigh, NC, and will

Re: [Talk-us] changeset: 89516909

2020-08-18 Thread Kevin Kenny
You still aren't giving us very much to go on. There's obviously some boundary that you consider to be inarguably correct. You need either to enter the data yourself or tell us where to find it and where the discrepancies are. Sometimes that involves quite a lot of research. I have a ton of data

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone familiar with Rocky Mountain National Park (RMNP)?

2020-08-09 Thread Kevin Kenny
The 'names' look like someone's field notes: 'Tarn A', 'Tarn B', 'Tarn C', 'Tarn Off the Map', 'Tarn Off the Trail', rather than something that the locals would call them. Of course, people's field notes leak into imported data sources all the time. For the sake of not firing the first shot in

Re: [Talk-us] Interested in importing address points in New York State

2020-07-20 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 1:27 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Jul 20, 2020, 15:32 by o...@dead10ck.com: > > I was going to make a subpage of New York with the title of "NYS GIS > Clearinghouse", and include a link to it in the Potential Data sources > page.

Re: [Talk-us] Labeling forestry service roads/tracks

2020-07-19 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 9:29 PM brad wrote: > Thanks for diving in. If it's a very minor unimproved road and not > clearly service, I usually tag it track. I would suggest adding some > indication of road quality. If it's an improved gravel road, I consider > surface=gravel sufficient.

Re: [Talk-us] Interested in importing address points in New York State

2020-07-19 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 12:46 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Once you write this diary entry (or OSM Wiki page) please post > it to the mailing list! > Here you go: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ke9tv/diary/393684 Feel free to repost, wikify, share

Re: [Talk-us] Interested in importing address points in New York State

2020-07-16 Thread Kevin Kenny
(By the way, hi, Skyler, and welcome! You've stepped into a difficult area - most programmers don't realize just how difficult until they've waded in. The legal situation in New York is _very_ complicated, because the key court case that governs GIS data settled out of court before the

Re: [Talk-us] access=private on driveways (was: Deleting tiger:reviewed=no/addr:street for routes)

2020-07-13 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:52 PM Jmapb wrote: > I'm also in the "worry about it" camp. > > To me, it's sad to see a mapper go to all the trouble of fixing the routing > to the house https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263869602 by drawing in the > driveway

Re: [Talk-us] Deleting tiger:reviewed=no/addr:street for routes (was: Streaming JOSM -- suggestions?)

2020-07-12 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 6:05 PM Mike Thompson wrote: > > - The access -- somewhat common to find a pubic road imported with > > access=private, so if I suspect this I'll leave the tiger:reviewed=no tag > > until access can be confirmed, and add a note or fixme. (It's also quite > > common to

Re: [Talk-us] Streaming JOSM -- suggestions?

2020-07-09 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 7:38 PM Bob Gambrel wrote: > > A very good answer stevea. I suspect the changes I have been making would be > appropriate enough for removing tiger_reviewed=no. > > 1) almost always have driven the road as passenger taking notes in OSMAND+ > about pavement type > 2) in ID

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest boundaries

2020-06-27 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 7:36 PM stevea wrote: > Adam Franco writes: > > Here's an example: > > - Parent relation: > > - name=Xxxx National Forest > > - operator=United States Department of Agriculture, Forest Service > > - ownership=national > > Ah, OK, If you really DO mean

Re: [Talk-us] Labeling county roads (Idaho)

2020-06-21 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 9:31 AM wrote: > Started mapping an area of the Idaho panhandle around the Kootenai > river. I notice that currently minor roads have a "County Road nn" name > but TIGER2019 data also has names such as "Acacia Avenue". I think most > map users would want to use the "Acacia

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest boundaries

2020-06-20 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 8:33 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > I was thinking just create separate polygons for inholdings, tagged with > > access=private and possibly ownership=private > > While many Americans like to put "no trespassing" signs on their private > property, a privately owned

Re: [Talk-us] USGS Topo layer for JOSM?

2020-06-14 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 11:45 AM Dave Swarthout wrote: > Once I restarted JOSM, the old USGS Topo layer disappeared and after a > longish search through the Imagery Preferences, finally located the new > layer. I'd have never figured out what went wrong had Todd not posted this > question. The

Re: [Talk-us] USGS Topo layer for JOSM?

2020-06-14 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 8:49 AM Brandon Cobb wrote: > > It still exists in JOSM, it just looks like the imagery was renamed to > “USA/Mexico/Canada/Scandinavia Topo Maps”. AHA! There it is! Up at the top under 'Worldwide", rather than listed under "US", which is why I didn't spot the

Re: [Talk-us] Heavily-wooded residential polygons

2020-05-28 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 8:15 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > You can just overlap them. Don't worry too much about how OpenStreetMap carto > renders it, as long as they way you map it makes sense and matches reality. > Perhaps we can fix the rendering if the current results are causing >

Re: [Talk-us] admin_level and COGs, MPOs, SPDs, Home Rule

2020-05-08 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:24 PM stevea wrote: > I'm not in Massachusetts, but as I constantly strive to improve my listening > skills, so I ask you to please point out any flaws in my understanding of > this. I'm literally quoting from Footnote 18: "Geographically divided into > 14 counties,

Re: [Talk-us] When is your doctor a clinic?

2020-01-24 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:33 AM Brian Stromberg wrote: > When I hear “clinic” in reference to a healthcare facility, I think of > “urgent care” clinics, and I think there are about six urgent care clinics > within a 20 minute drive of my local hospital. These are usually staffed with > nurses

Re: [Talk-us] When is your doctor a clinic?

2020-01-24 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 7:56 AM Philip Barnes wrote: > A clinic is where outpatients go, usually referred by their doctor to > see a specialist. > > The on the ground reality is that most clinics take place within > hospitals. My primary care physician works out of a clinic. My family and I have

Re: [Talk-us] Wilderness areas separate from forest?

2020-01-01 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:41 PM Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us wrote: > Sorry for the late entry to the discussion but I did have a little > information to add here. > > Wilderness, at least at the federal level, enjoys a different protection from > that of a national forest. There is to be

Re: [Talk-us] Alt_names on counties

2019-12-26 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:11 PM stevea wrote: > The myriad variations of "name" (alt, loc, nat, old, reg, official, sorting, > int...) show how complex this is. The issues go back many years and will > likely continue well into the future, indeed many participants in this/these > thread(s)

Re: [Talk-us] Wilderness areas separate from forest?

2019-12-26 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 8:40 PM Tod Fitch wrote: > If I am looking at the map data correctly, it seem that at least some > designated wilderness areas are excluded from the forest that they are in. > For example the Chumash Wilderness [1] seems to have its border as an outer > on the Los

Re: [Talk-us] National Forests and Private Ownership

2019-10-16 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 1:30 AM Michael Patrick wrote: > And size is no determination of importance, because the 'rules' are > dramatically different for different agencies and departments. Some of these > provide access, The Magruder Corridor easement is basically the width of the > track,

Re: [Talk-us] National Forests and Private Ownership

2019-10-15 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 16:39 Mike Thompson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 2:28 PM Bradley White > wrote: > >> Yes I understand that, that is what the landuse tag is for. Private >> land should tagged as private. Public land should be tagged as public. >> The 'access' tag is probably preferable

Re: [Talk-us] National Forests and Private Ownership

2019-10-15 Thread Kevin Kenny
Once again, I think that New York state lands offer a parallel. The administrative borders of the Adirondack and Catskill parks are mapped (boundary=national_park protect_class=2). This has been discussed elsewhere; for these two specific regions, national_park appears to be a better fit than a

Re: [Talk-us] National Forests and Private Ownership

2019-10-14 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 3:10 PM Mike Thompson wrote: > > Not all of the land within US National Forests is owned by the US Government, > there are private "inholdings" [1]. > > The boundaries between government land and private land are often marked by > signs, e.g.[2] The above photo is

Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on micro parks

2019-10-06 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 2:40 AM Michael Patrick wrote: > > "It is a park in the sense of American English as of 2019. Whether it is > > a park according to OSM may be debatable, as it is an "unimproved" park, > > meaning it is under development as to improvements like restrooms and > > other

Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on micro parks

2019-10-01 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 12:04 PM Bill Ricker wrote: > In many other matters we say we map the signage. > That is not a bad place to start here. > So a rule of it needs at least a name and/or a physical sign would be > internally consistent and predictably OSMish. > An exception to allow for

Re: [Talk-us] Historic 66 as highway=trunk in OK

2019-08-29 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 8:11 AM Paul Johnson wrote: > The larger cities in southern Alaska. Most are gravel, including a paper > interstate. I think Alaska's the last state to still have gravel state > highways. Not just southern Alaska. It's kind of hard to pave over permafrost, so there's

Re: [Talk-us] Historic 66 as highway=trunk in OK

2019-08-28 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 8:09 AM stevea wrote: > The topic begs the question as to what such (usually very) old, > poor-condition (where they ARE poor) roads should be tagged (we limit > ourselves to US roads here because this is talk-us), and at what granularity. > (Volker COULD do detailed

[Talk-us] Tagging of State Parks in the US

2019-07-20 Thread Kevin Kenny
Summary: I propose that the unifying feature of the typical State Park is its protection status, and propose that one tag combination that ought to appear on its boundary is `boundary=protected_area protect_class=21`. I solicit community feedback before trying to stitch this idea into the Wiki or

Re: [Talk-us] Mapping rail trails

2019-07-12 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 9:36 AM Phil! Gold wrote: > The "state at a time" pattern, as I have always understood it, exists to > keep vastly distant objects from being linked with each other. It makes > it much less likely for someone, say, updating I-95 in Florida to get an > editing conflict

Re: [Talk-us] Website showing the best time to survey with GPS.

2019-06-27 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 6:20 PM Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us wrote: > I was told there was a website that forecasted the best times to do survey > work with GNSS based upon diversity of satellites in the sky, solar activity, > etc. Does anyone know what site this is? Nowadays, the

Re: [Talk-us] Mapping rail trails

2019-06-24 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 10:50 AM Richard Fairhurst wrote: > OSM was founded in 2004 on the principle of "if they won't give us the > data, we'll make it ourselves" and that still holds true. I've started > on making sure all rail-trails of a reasonable length (say, 5 miles > upwards) are actually

Re: [Talk-us] WikiProject United States Public Lands

2019-06-19 Thread Kevin Kenny
I surmise that Steve intended to include a link: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States_Public_Lands On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 6:34 PM stevea wrote: > > I have burnished this wiki to attempt to be comprehensive with Public Lands > at federal, state, and county levels (even

Re: [Talk-us] Ashuwillticook Rail Trail in Massachusetts

2019-05-03 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 10:14 AM OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > I appreciate it! I'm now/soon scouring more aerial/satellite imagery before > I MIGHT (with trepidation) enter this. I do think it would be better if > locals who are more certain about this were to enter it. Though if MassDOT >

Re: [Talk-us] Parks in the USA, leisure=park, park:type

2019-04-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:12 PM OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > I myself have also used landuse=conservation (long ago) and/or > leisure=nature_reserve (neither of which render, not really the point). My understanding is that landuse=conservation is deprecated in favor of boundary=protected_area.

Re: [Talk-us] Someone from Boston, MA?

2019-04-29 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 11:01 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > I'm not a Bostonian, but I've been to Copley Place. > Copley Place is a named building: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/240501783 more information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copley_Place - the building complex, in ad

Re: [Talk-us] Someone from Boston, MA?

2019-04-29 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:40 PM Wolfgang Zenker wrote: > I tried to add the German Consulate General in Boston, MA, but could not > find the address "Three Copley Place, Boston, MA 02116" in > our data. That place is apparently somewhere near Boston University. > Anyone local who could check if

[Talk-us] Fwd: Parks in the USA, leisure=park, park:type

2019-04-29 Thread Kevin Kenny
oops, sent to wrong list -- Forwarded message - From: Kevin Kenny Date: Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:36 PM Subject: Fwd: [Talk-us] Parks in the USA, leisure=park, park:type To: OSM Tagging mailing list Using a British dictionary (Living Oxford Dictionary), the first definition

[Talk-us] Fwd: Parks in the USA, leisure=park, park:type

2019-04-29 Thread Kevin Kenny
oops, meant to send this to the list... -- Forwarded message - From: Kevin Kenny Date: Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Parks in the USA, leisure=park, park:type To: Mateusz Konieczny On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:06 PM Mateusz Konieczny wrote

Re: [Talk-us] Parks in the USA, leisure=park, park:type

2019-04-29 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 11:24 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Why not simply call anything which is a 'large public area for recreation', a > park, and specify it additionally with additional tags? > > That would require redefining leisure=park and while would match use of word > "park" in USA >

Re: [Talk-us] Parks in the USA, leisure=park, park:type

2019-04-29 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:05 AM Greg Troxel wrote: > The other case is a large area with subareas that are each clearly one > or the other. Consider: > > 1000 acre parcel, almost entirely forest in a natural state, with dirt > hiking paths > > a 40 acre sub-piece of this on the edge, that

Re: [Talk-us] Parks in the USA, leisure=park, park:type

2019-04-28 Thread Kevin Kenny
ike lands. (I know > Kevin Kenny has made a good case for why he uses this tag on certain New York > state "lands" of a certain sort. And a lot of state parks in California and > other states get this tag. More or less repeating my earlier argument: I've applied this tag in

Re: [Talk-us] Parks in the USA, leisure=park, park:type

2019-04-24 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:33 PM OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > > I'll try to be brief, but there's a decade of history. The leisure=park wiki > recently improved to better state it means "an urban/municipal" park, while > boundary=national_park (or perhaps leisure=nature_reserve, maybe >

Re: [Talk-us] Footway tagging

2019-04-22 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 4:31 PM Michael Sidoric via Talk-us wrote: > Another consideration is accessibility. > Not taking sides but besides aesthetics and nomenclature seems there needs to > be some way for routing and tags to reflect whether a route is ‘safe’ or > accessible. > > I map for

Re: [Talk-us] trail tagging

2019-04-22 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 7:22 PM Rihards wrote: > On 19.04.19 19:34, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > (There's also a law that snowshoes or skis are required > > once the snow is 20 cm deep, but I follow "don't tag the local > > legislation". There's nothing in that law regar

Re: [Talk-us] trail tagging

2019-04-19 Thread Kevin Kenny
> Everywhere I've been in the US or Canada a dirt 'way' too narrow for a 4 > wheel vehicle is called a trail, path, or single track. For the most part > they are appropriately (IMO) tagged as path. Unfortunately the wiki says > this for highway:path (the highlighting is mine): > > A

Re: [Talk-us] Is there any value at all in tiger:MTFCC and tiger:FUNCSTAT tags? (Kevin Kenny)

2019-03-26 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:02 PM OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > The usage of a tag (via taginfo) does give some indication of its usefulness > (e.g. school can't be that important a boundary tag if there are only nine or > ten of them in all of OSM), unless massive numbers of them were imported,

Re: [Talk-us] Is there any value at all in tiger:MTFCC and tiger:FUNCSTAT tags?

2019-03-25 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 11:58 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Any info about meaning or use of > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tiger:FUNCSTAT > would be useful. https://www.census.gov/geo/reference/funcstat.html What those phrases mean is not immediately clear.

Re: [Talk-us] Michigan Forest Land

2019-03-23 Thread Kevin Kenny
I did another round of extracts to cover state parks and state wildlife areas. You can see the geometry of everything now in the .osm files inside https://kbk.is-a-geek.net/tmp/mi_sf.zip. The tagging is still pretty sketchy - you guys need to discuss what tagging can be created automatically (as

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed mechanical edit - remove objects that are not existing according to source of GNIS import that added them

2019-03-22 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 12:27 PM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Is there way to mark challenge as for armchair users/requiring local survey? > > And show from the second group only when explicitly required? > > I remember that on my attempt to use MapRoulette many were not doable without > local

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed mechanical edit - remove objects that are not existing according to source of GNIS import that added them

2019-03-21 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 10:31 AM Martijn van Exel wrote: > The benefit is that it gives mappers a reason to examine places - not just > the disappeared feature itself but also the area around it - that would > otherwise go unexamined. Since we have so much unexamined space in the U.S., > any

Re: [Talk-us] Gated communities

2019-03-21 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 3:01 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > For start, "residents only" gate is for me clearly access=private. > > "manned main gate" - is access strongly restricted? > If nearly everybody, including vehicles, is let in I would tag it access=yes. > It would also mean that

Re: [Talk-us] Michigan Forest Land

2019-03-13 Thread Kevin Kenny
(Is there a Michigan-specific forum that we could take this to? We're probably boring the daylights out of most of talk-us.) On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 9:16 PM Max Erickson wrote: > The management units in the data are subunits of the state forests > still. For instance, "Gwinn Forest Management

Re: [Talk-us] Michigan Forest Land

2019-03-13 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 10:17 Max Erickson wrote: > The compartments likely aren't the right data for a general purpose > map; I'm not entirely sure, but they seem to be the basic management > unit for state forest land, so when they consider a cut or whatever > they consider it for that area. For

Re: [Talk-us] Michigan Forest Land

2019-03-13 Thread Kevin Kenny
dwinROD.pdf. > While interesting to read, I don't think that would be relevant to end > users of OSM. > > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 10:28 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: >> >> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 11:31 AM Marcus W. Davenport >> wrote: >> > I'm a decently e

Re: [Talk-us] Michigan Forest Land

2019-03-09 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 1:18 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > > The Michigan maps are lacking the information for state forest land. I > > have noted that the Upper Peninsula does have some state and national > > forest areas, but there is much missing here in the Lower Peninsula. &g

Re: [Talk-us] Michigan Forest Land

2019-03-09 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:58 AM David Martin wrote: > I'm new to editing OSM, having been a heavy user of OSMAnd for Android for > several years. I primarily use the maps for snowmobiling here in Northern > Michigan, and building my own database of gpx tracks. > > The Michigan maps are lacking

[Talk-us] Fwd: Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet)

2019-03-09 Thread Kevin Kenny
OOPS - meant to send to the list, not the originator... -- Forwarded message - From: Kevin Kenny Date: Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet) To: Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 11:02

Re: [Talk-us] US map rendering (Was: Re: Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet))

2019-03-08 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 5:46 PM Phil! Gold wrote: > I started work last year on a better system that generates SVGs on the fly > from OSM data, so it doesn't need the pregeneration step. I got bogged > down with other things before I quite finished, but it's mostly there. It's really great

[Talk-us] US map rendering (Was: Re: Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet))

2019-03-08 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 11:37 AM Martijn van Exel wrote: > > I agree that a local US OSM map with a *subtly* adapted rendering would be > fantastic. Phil Gold did some interesting work years ago on rendering US > style highway shields taking into account (sometimes crazy) route concurrency >

Re: [Talk-us] Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet)

2019-03-08 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 10:59 AM Martijn van Exel wrote: > If it’s just a shortcut to have the main OSM map display elevation in feet, > that’s not right, but it indicates a need that is currently unaddressed: > displaying elevation in local units on the main map. Even as a USAian, I'm fine

Re: [Talk-us] Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet)

2019-03-08 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 2:38 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > If it is a peak then ele=XXX and noname=yes would be OK. > > If it is not a peak it should not be present at all - otherwise it opens way > to importing > LIDAR data into OSM (and there are datasets with resolution of 5 cm, dumping > it

Re: [Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-03 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 11:58 AM Richard Welty wrote: > i have not reviewed NYS GIS data because there were, in the past > at least, licensing issues. i do not know if those have been resolved > so i'm not pitching a fit about that. it might be ok now. i just don't > know. but from this edit, it

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of old-style Wikipedia links in USA

2019-02-26 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 4:05 PM OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > I'm OK with this as well. I especially wish to call to the attention to > others who may do mechanical wiki edits like this (by Mateusz' good example) > that he was careful to: > > 1) Explain the problem; it confuses mappers/map

Re: [Talk-us] Map roulette challenges - Missing named roads [VA, NJ, NY, MN, SC]

2019-02-13 Thread Kevin Kenny
I've done some of the MapRoulette items for this project, but frankly I'm not that good at it. For the stuff nearest me, most of the missing roads are either too new to show on the orthos (which are updated on a rolling 4-year cycle) or else are old platted rights-of-way that are now abandoned. I

Re: [Talk-us] Map roulette challenges - Missing named roads [VA, NJ, NY, MN, SC]

2019-01-31 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 4:30 PM Oisin Herriott (Insight Global Inc) via Talk-us wrote: > > Hi all, > > In an effort to make the roads data in OSM more complete in names and > coverage, the Open Maps team at Microsoft is going through some available > open data sets published by some of the US

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-18 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 2:54 PM Yaro Shkvorets wrote: > JOSM offers very convenient way to do it called "Replace geometry". Select > both ways, old and new, press Ctrl-Shift-G, merge any conflicting tags and > you preserve the history, tags and have new improved outline in a couple of >

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-08 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, 11:48 brad I'm going to start close to home, extend that to the state of CO, & see > how it goes. > I've done quite a bit of recreating and boondock camping on BLM land and > I've never come across any that are leased exclusively, altho I'm sure > there are some.It's more

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-08 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 10:05 PM Michael Patrick wrote: > "Multiple uses under BLM management include renewable energy development > (solar, wind, other); conventional energy development (oil and gas, coal); > livestock grazing; hardrock mining (gold, silver, other), timber harvesting; > and

Re: [Talk-us] Wilderness in National Forest?

2018-12-05 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 10:38 AM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I've noticed that federal Wilderness areas in Northern California and > Southern Oregon are mapped as if they are not part of the surrounding > national forest(s). > > Is this correct mapping? On older USGS maps the Wilderness areas were

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-20 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 12:27 PM Max Erickson wrote: > As other have mentioned, there are many numbered roads managed by the > USFS. They range in development from closed, abandoned log roads to > well maintained pavement. I map them using the FS prefix. > > For the general public one of the

Re: [Talk-us] Strange city boundary: Lee, Illinois

2018-11-14 Thread Kevin Kenny
undeveloped forest lands is so minimal that the municipalities don't bother as long as both landowners pay their taxes. In these areas, you cannot assume that there's a definitive reference for the boundary *anywhere*. On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 11:26 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Wed, Nov 14, 2

Re: [Talk-us] Strange city boundary: Lee, Illinois

2018-11-14 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 11:07 AM Martijn van Exel wrote: > Hmm. > > I guess https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level is > really not correct then where it says: "Census Designated Places (CDPs) are > boundaries maintained by the Census Bureau for statistical purposes. CDPs >

Re: [Talk-us] Strange city boundary: Lee, Illinois

2018-11-14 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:46 AM Martijn van Exel wrote: > I looked at a few place boundaries in Utah and compared with current TIGER > files.. Definitely needs work.. > https://www.dropbox.com/s/e1113me8y9t1my5/Screenshot%202018-11-14%2008.42.30.png?dl=0 > (colored > = current OSM, grey =

Re: [Talk-us] Thoughts on a standard "ref" abbreviation for PA Turnpike?

2018-11-11 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 6:34 PM Albert Pundt wrote: > On an unrelated note, thanks for linking that renderer. I used it to find > and fix some holes in PA's US 119 relation where it defaulted to using a > plain text rectangle since only the ref tag was present. > It may be a while before your

Re: [Talk-us] California is too big ;)

2018-11-07 Thread Kevin Kenny
For what it's worth, your proposed dividing line sounds as reasonable as anything else. (Coming from someone who lived in SoCal briefly, over 25 years ago.) On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 4:28 PM OSM Volunteer stevea < stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote: > Reminding everybody that whatever Frederik

[Talk-us] What is people's experience with OSM import software?

2018-10-03 Thread Kevin Kenny
I'm looking for people's experience on software that can take data from OSM and get it into a PostGIS database for rendering and analysis. For several years, I've been using 'osm2pgsql', but I've recently 'bumped my head on the ceiling' in that I need the database to be capable of querying

Re: [Talk-us] Evacuation Routes

2018-09-05 Thread Kevin Kenny
Are you tagging the routes consistently with role=forward or role=reverse? An evacuation route is essentially a one-way item (presumably, return after the crisis can be by any open road), and it would be good to render them with arrows. On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 7:20 PM Eric H. Christensen wrote: >

Re: [Talk-us] Naming numbered roads as "State Route X", "Interstate X", etc.

2018-09-02 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 4:18 PM Nathan Mills wrote: > My personal opinion is that if local practice and the USPS continue to use > the old name, that name should stay in the name tag, while the Legislature's > political name should be tagged as an alt_name. That said, there are > situations in

Re: [Talk-us] NYC Name Vandalism

2018-08-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 10:39 AM Ian Dees wrote: > > Yes, the original harmful edit was made by user "MedwedianPresident" in > changeset https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61555047 20 days ago. It > was then reverted by naoliv a day later: >

Re: [Talk-us] ref=* tags on links

2018-08-24 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 3:46 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 14:33 Richard Welty wrote: > >> On 8/24/18 3:15 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> > This is a criticism I've had about the Standard renderer for a while >> > now. Andy Allan's rendering refs from relations. Osmand is

Re: [Talk-us] Shaped highway shields - trying to revive

2018-08-24 Thread Kevin Kenny
; remember his response though). > > -Evin (compdude) > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 2:21 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > >> (I apologize in advance to the tile-serving community if this message >> is inappropriate. I see that traffic on that list is largely limited >> to highly s

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