Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 175, Issue 22
Anthony wrote "Creating new Bus Stop nodes Is the consensus to remove the plaform tags from new nodes?" I'm not sure I understand. If you are creating a new bus stop node, then there won't be any tags to remove, platform or otherwise. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of Australia.
Hi Anthony, One reason I can see for discussing this edit here, before doing it, is in regard to the cases where the platform tag already exists on an area close to the bus stop node. If this edit had not been reverted then the question would be, who will clean up the mess of the duplicate tags. If you do get consensus to redo this edit then one question will be, How are you going to handle the cases where the tag is already present on an adjacent object? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2012 T-shirt
Many thanks Satoshi IIDA, We (Canberra Cavalry) have quite a few Japanese players in our team this year, mainly pitchers. Tonight should be a good night and the Japanese ambassador to Australia will be there. I only hope he doesn't want my t-shirt :-) Cheers form Canberra Australia Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] SOTM 2012 T-shirt
Can anyone, who was at SOTM 2012 tell me what the inscription on the front of the T-shirt says. I'm going to wear mine tonight at a "Japanese Night" at the Baseball and anyone from Japan who is there is bound to come up and ask me about it. I know it starts of "70 Million people can't be wrong. An then I think it references a famous mapper in Japan who walked the llength an breadth of Japan in order to map it, many moons ago. School children used to be taught him, but I can't remember his name. PS - chinese people are really confused about it - I think in their language it means something like "hey - I've got 70 million dollars!" :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Hello!
Hi Martijn, In my opinion the biggest improvement to Australian OSM data, to make it usefull for automotive navigation, would be the addition of offline address data. I believe that most states have address datasets available that are OSM licence compliant and could be used for import. Would your people be interested in helping out with that? Cheers Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-us] NYC Name Vandalism
Other criteria for ranking a object for "change protection" could be 1) How long has it been since the last change to it. 2) How big is it. ( a long road would rank higher than a short one) 3) How many things are "attached to it" 4) How important is it. (Motorways are more important than tracks) (tourism objects are more important than objects of local interest only) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] The take - away
I think that the "take-away" from all this is... Since OSM is a community project, no one (or group) can work in isolation. At some stage the community will have questions/criticisms of your work. You must be able to receive and respond to these promptly. Failure to do so will inevitably result is eventual escalation, maybe in a saintly way (ala Andy) or maybe in a lesser way, as in Frederik and most of the rest of us ( I suspect). The niceness of the escalation will probably depend on how long it takes to get the response. Cheers Nick H ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [talk-au] Wagga to Echuca survey
Andrew wrote "According to the Geographical Names Board "Bullenbung Creek" is the old name and "Bullenbong Creek" is the new name (and by new we are talking since July 1972)." Ok thanks - I'll put Bullenbung in as Alt-name. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Wagga to Echuca survey
Surveying the area between Wagga and Echuca last week I have noticed the following. a) At the turn off from the Sturt Highway to Lockhart the (newish) sign said "Collingullie Jerildere Road" and there were no sign saying "Lockhart Road". LPI NSW Base Map has "Lockhart Road". The lowerr end of this road is mentioned as "Lockhart Collingullie Road" in LPI although I have not yet got to my video of that part to see if I captured any signs of it. b) Halfway to Lockhart My video shows clearly the newish sigh "Bullenbung Creek" at the bridge over this creek (as does google). I read of the road sign just before this, clearly as "Bullenbung Road" (as in the audio track of my video) although google shows "Bullenbong - Rock Road". Unfortunately the angle of my video and the placing of this sign meant that I missed in on the video. LPI has Bullenbong for both and has the creek itself as Bullenbong Creek. Internet search finds both Bullenbong Creek and Bullenbung Creek but it appears that Bullenbung may be correct and Bullenbong may have been and old mistake now corrected. I think I'll proceed as if the road signs are correct and LPI is incorrect. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tathra Fires
Thanks Nev, Tathra looks good. Now if we could only get those addressess in! I'm convinced that for OSM to be really usefull it has to be able to fulfil the function of Car Navigation and that this requires all data to be available offline. So all we need is permission to use the LPI addressess for all of NSW and someone with the time and skill to do the import and we'll have a useful NSW map :-) Cheers Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Tathra Fires
I'll map all the houses in Tathra tonight unless someone else beats me to it. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-us] Rural US: Correcting Original TIGER Imported Ways
I've always been of the opinion that any of the original TIGER data import that has not yet been edited and does not have a name tag, should just be deleted. Then, and only then can the rural areas begin to be mapped correctly. In the early days there were a lot of people who thought that "any data is better than no data" whereas I believe that "no data" is better than bad data. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [talk-au] MS open maps
Address data could also be used to verify street/road names and also add them where they are missing. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] MS open maps
Hi Jubal The missing OSM information in Australia that would be, by a large margin, the most usefull, would be address data (and building footprint, if available). If we had address data then OSM maps would be usefull for the genberal public to use in car navigation etc. Collecting address data manually is tedious and unsafe. I believe that the address data is available for some states and if addedd to OSM, would make OSM the premier mapping source here. Cheers Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BYO drinks at restaurant
Ben wrote "I think that's some kind of location code. I forget what it's called. If you search for that string in Google Maps it takes you to an address at the Gold Coast." Bing maps (and Bing search) does not know of this string. Maybe it's proprietary Google information. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BYO drinks at restaurant
If byo=yes, then it would be useful to know if corkage is charged, and if so, how much. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Texas - redacted roads.
Sam wrote " https://services.slip.wa.gov.au/public/services/SLIP_Public_Services/Transport/MapServer/WMSServer " Thanks Sam, That WMS works well. I'll start working on this this weekend. The first area I looked at (Banksia Grove) looks to be a bit of a nightmare :-( Takes us back to to days of NearMap. It might be easier to just delete the geometry and re-add from Bing (with names from that WMS). Cheers Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-us] Texas - redacted roads.
AAAH - all my questions are answered. The City of Austin's use of google base map has "fooled" me into thinking that the map data was theirs rather than googles. If I click on the "blue line" then I see the actual City of Austin data and indeed it is "REED WILL DRIVE". Damm - So I have actually just gone and put in a google mistake into OSM. Easily fixed tonight and I will check any other roads that I have "fixed" in the last two days. Ok - so after all this, the only error was in the google data, which is no great surprise. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Texas - redacted roads.
Clifford wrote "Looking at the data from Austin, the road should be name Reed Will Drive." Hi Clifford. Which site did you find the authoritive data for Austin from? (Tiger has nothing and is not authorative anyway, as far as I can tell) The Cit of Austin site https://data.austintexas.gov/Locations-and-Maps/Street-Segment/t4fe-kr8c has "Redwill Drive" CAPCOG http://regional-open-data-capcog.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/roads-2015 has "Reed Will Drive" There is annecdotal evidence that the street signs have (or maybe had) "Reed Will Drive" So, firstly I think we need to find out what the street signs say currently. Then we need to contact all authoritive holders of this data to clarify what name is correct and to ensure all occurrences are fixed as necessary. In the meantime what would you suggest is the best action to take? Lets say the street sign is wrong (REED WILL) and the correct data is City of Austin's Redwil. Should we (in OSM) put what the user will probably search for, the correect (hypothetically) Redwil or should we put the "ground truth" (REED WILL) which is what the user will see if he acually ever makes it to that location. PS - I have just noticed that the City of Austin website has an attribution of "Map data @2017 Google" Does this mean that the displayed names are from google rather than City of Austin and therefore not usable by us. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Texas - redacted roads.
Nathan wrote "Best to stay well on the correct side of the line " Ok - point taken. Did I mention that at the location I posted (using OSM) the CAPCOG website (roads dataset) http://regional-open-data-capcog.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/roads-2015 has the road listed as REED WILL and with a type of DR. I've been told that this is an acceptable source or road names, Maybe somebody could drive past this road and report back what the actual street signs do say. If they do say "Reed Will" then I will try to contact the Austin authorities to clarify the situation. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Texas - redacted roads.
richlv wrote "just a quick reminder that we should try not to use google maps or streetview, the legal status of "just looking" is also fuzzy :)" Ok, so I if want to find out what a road is called, I'm not allowed to use a street directory to do this? This would be extremely weird. If I am allowed to use a street directory for this, then I'm not allowed to tell anybody else what I think the name of the road is. Also extremely weird. I don't believe that writing what someone else thinks is the name of the roads constitutes republishing their proprietary work and I'm certainly not putting this information into any other work or database. (Mind you IANAL). A few years ago this topic came up and IIRC Google said that it was ok to look at "some" amount of their published data but not systematically trawl through a LOT of it. All very subjective, I know. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[talk-au] Redacted roads in VIC QLD and WA
We have specific permissions to use certain QLD and WA data. Do we have any such permissions for VIC, or do we have anybody who knows who to ask? Also are there and tile servers or overlays for the QLD and WA data that we can use to manually get the redacted road names back easily? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-us] Texas - redacted roads.
Andrew wrote "I would check out the City of Austin's OpenData portal: https://data.austintexas.gov/Locations-and-Maps/Street-Segment/t4fe-kr8c The license is the same (PD) as when the initial building import was completed, so you are good to go." Thanks Andrew, I'm now replacing some names adding new roads and neighbourhoods etc. One interesting road is Redwil Drive. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/30.23189/-97.59361 Tiger has no name, Google maps and Austin-gov have Redwill Drive but google street view shows both street signs as Reed Will Drive. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Texas - redacted roads.
at http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/30.23990/-97.57717 Openstreetmap has three missing roads, that Bing and Google have as, Joe Lane, Cleto Street and Fifnella way. Tiger 2017 does not have these. Is there any usable source for these Texas roads or, if not, does anyone have local knowledge of them or the ability to survey them? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr
I wrote "NSW and Queensland don't have any sources of names that we can use, so they will have to be surveyed." Actually , I meant Victoria and Queensland. NSW does have a good source but there are no redacted roads in NSW. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr
Can someone put up an OSM task so that we can replace these names , from Tiger 2017? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] wtsp.com using OSM for detour maps
Some while back, at the Denver SOTM, a bloke gave a presentation about depiction. This software is all about dynamic changes to the map due to natural hazards like flood, fire, etc and has the ability to incorporate immediate changes to routability by marking roads closed or marking certain areas as flooded. I think that OSM is not a good place for rapidly changing data but when used as a basemap for a layer like depiction, it would be a godsend, in emergency situations. http://blog.depiction.com/w/about/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] New roads in Houston
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/29.86540/-95.66553 Can someone who has access to TIGER 2017 or who has local knowledge, add the names of these two new roads. Bing imagery shows that these new roads already have residents. They were not in OSM, till today, and are in the flood affected area of Hurricane Harvey. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Emergency Shelters
Are the emergency shelters currently mapped in OSM? I think that it would be really useful, in an emergency to have these locations available on your phone or watch as offline routable maps (including whether they are pet friendly). Maybe in the next few months we could convince/help all states to import their data into OSM. PS - I've just bought a waterproof Garmin Epix watch and loaded routable OSM maps to it. Turn by turn navigation works really well on it. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup for Hurricane Harvey potential impact areas
Thanks Mike, Looks good. I've already found a serious routability issue with an unedited TIGER road in the Houston area. -I'm fixing it now. Cheers Nick ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup for Hurricane Harvey potential impact areas
Is there anything we can do, OSMwise, for communities in the path of Hurricane Irma. Anything that may be useful for search and recovery would be a priority. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup for Hurricane Harvey potential impact areas
Hi Brian, >From the TxDOT website I see that the road data is updated yearly, but unfortunately the data was last published at the end of 2015. One think I would like to make sure of, is that Texas roads are up-to-date so that any new subdivisions that may be water affected are actually on the OSM map. A couple of years ago there was a "Tiger missing and misaligned 2015" layer that I found really usefull for bringing many US cities and towns up-to-date. Do you know if there is (or plans for) a more recent version of this, maybe Tiger 2017??? Also if there was a layer like this that only had missing/misaligned roads where the Tiger data had a name tag, then new sub-divisions and any missing streets could be easily added, all over the US (once Texas is updated). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM
This is how it's done http://www.dw.com/en/online-map-shows-wheelchair-accessible-locations-worldwide/a-15381244 I met this bloke at SOTM Japan some years ago. He didn't put out a questionaire about whether non-disabled persons tended to tag less accessability tags than disabled persons, because he already knew the answer. He just went out and mapped them, created a website to support his interest and got thousands of people interested in his project. Truly an inspirational mapper. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM
We are ,mostly, volunteers. Therefore I think we should map whatever takes our fancy and should not feel obliged to spend our time/money on mapping that we do not want to do willingly. If the location based service providers find that certain info is missing that they would like to have then maybe they could pay someone to collect the data, or even better, do it themselves. If you can convince mappers to alter their mapping habits, well and good, but trying to shame or threaten them into doing so will just destroy whatever community there is. Your statement (highly paraphrased) of "If you don't map what I want you to map, then nobody is going to want to use your data" may not be the best way to win people over to your cause. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] Responding to vandalism
I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if I'm repeating something. How about we introduce into editors (that advanced users use) a default behaviour that at above a certain zoom level, all features that have been edited in the last 24 hours are somehow colourised. Features edited between 1 and two days a different colour, and up to seven days ago, further different colours. One keystroke could remove all this colourisation. This would not address deletion Vandalism but would attract the attention of advanced mappers to suspiccious edits. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users
How about we ask the game maker to code in (and let slip in social media) that lots of new pokemon stuff may appear on every OSM residential road, outside a residence that has a street number (in OSM) equal to todays day number (e.g 28 - for today). Of course all the other OSM address tags must also be correct for this stuff to appear. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[talk-au] Yellow Creek Road
Where Cooks Hill Road crosses the Hume Highway near Yass NSW http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-34.80827/148.93106 The are signs, on the sides of the bridge, facing both carriageways, saying "Yellow Creek Road", Why this so is a mystery to me and the only references to "Yellow Creek Road" that I can find anywhere are where the Police have given a ticket to someone at that bridge. PS - I did survey Cooks Hill Road, again, last Monday. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] GeoServer and OpenStreetMap
Thanks all, I'll start the process this weekend but I suspect it will be a long slow process with lots of new learning for me. Cheers Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] GeoServer and OpenStreetMap
Has anyone here put OSM data into GeoServer. Is there a primer somewhere to help me along the way. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[talk-au] Fazzolari Avenue
In OSM there seem to quite a few incorrectly named "Fazzolari Avenue" ways around the Mona Vale Warriewood area. Not sure yet how they happened (may have been a copy/paste type issue) - not sure. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging for the router
When I said that Gosmore (YourNavgation) website had done something stupid, I was wrong. It was the data that was incorrect. I have fixed the data to make the acute angle , where the two carriageways meet up, far more acute (which agrees with the imagery. Once the Yournavigation site updates it's maps, I'm sure Gosmore will do a perfect job. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging for the router
"My suggestion is that the map data is the best place to store that information." Actually - the wiki page is very specific on this. "When a particular turn restriction is *the default* for a given jurisdiction *and* is *not signed* *don't map them*. It is much better to ensure that routing engines embody the regional rule rather than mapping every occurrence as a turn restriction." Ok so how do we "ensure that routing engines embody the regional rule:? E-mailing their support address and asking them to study the road rules for every jurisdiction in the world is not going to cut it. So maybe the only way is to name and shame them in a public forum somewhere, but where? I don't think that there is a routing engine out there that won't suggest crazy +90 degree turns on a high speed road. Probably, the only solution is to advise users to always check the "don't allow u-turns" box on their navigators. Also - how do we map a signed "U turn permitted" at traffic lights where the default is "not permitted"? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging for the router
"I'm assuming you mean the Intersection with Lane Cove Rd. If so it's not permitted to make a u-turn here anyway, as there is no sign permitting u-turns at the traffic signals. So I'd not add it as a restriction as anyone driving there should know that they can not make a u-turn there." Ok - since you ask - all routers I just tried , both on osm data and commercial data allowed the U-turn at the traffic lights at lane cove road. So do we contact all known writers of routing software and ask them to obey the local traffic norms, or do we force their hand and put in the restriction. Actually Gosmore nearly got it right but then spoiled it by doing something even more stupid immediately afterwards. I think that routing engine need to be made a lot smarter to handle edge cases where drivers can evaluate geometry a lot better and accurately than routers. PS - it is my belief that car navigation is mainly for visitors, not locals, so I think that routing engines should not try to be aware of local customs. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tagging for the router
"I'm assuming you mean the Intersection with Lane Cove Rd." No - the intersection with Chiltern Street although it looks as though someone has just added it. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Tagging for the router
What do people think about the intersection at -33.6793339 151.264475 The road geometry clearly indicates that there is no way you can do a turn from Moan Vale Road Eastbound back down Mona Vale Road Westbound, yet there are no signs saying so and I believe that most routers would suggest this if you were caught out going to opposite way that you intended. Trying to do a u turn here would cause a crash quite often, I believe. So should I add a no-u-turn restriction or not? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Secondary roads are of primary importance.
Actually. primary roads are of equal need for fixing. Maybe only trunk and motorways are reasonably accurate routing wise. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Secondary roads are of primary importance.
Secondary roads often have high speed limits and are connected to low speed residential roads. This can cause issues with cars slowing in front of fast moving cars and cars crossing in front of traffic. For this reason there are many intersections on secondary roads that have no-u-turn or no-right-turn restrictions. Often the restrictions are time limited depending on whether you are travelling to the city, in the morning. or back from it in the evening. A lot of these restrictions are not yet mapped in OSM and will cause irritating and incorrect (and often dangerous) route advise for visitors to an area. I believe that checking all seconday roads in the larger cities (and wherever visitors may travel) would be really usefull in making OSM better. First, use an online router to rout from one end of the secondary road to the other. Any "squiggles" where the router takes you off the road and then straight back on it, will almost certainly be due to missing maxspeed tags, where the router is using a higer default speed for the segment that has no maxspeed tag. These are easily fixed by survey. Then do the same for the reverse route. Next a really usefull tool is a dash cam with embedded lat/long and audio (E.G Garmin nuvicam or dezlcam). Drive the route and voice annotate all turn restrictions as you see them (sometimes the dashcam resolution is a bit poor at speed and the signs may not be easy to read). Then use JOSM, with LPI base maps and LPI imagery, along with your own dashcam imagery/audio to improve OSM for that road. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] Spoken street names
I've yet to find a product for Windows Phone that does TTS. Navmii does it only on Android and Ios. Maybe Scout does but it is not available in Australia. OsmAnd (and the $8 upgrade OsmAnd+) is brilliant. The offline maps and offline Wikipedia POI's make this a must have item for all tourists. Once the developers put a 3d navigation screen in it, it will be ideal for all hire cars in the world. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Spoken street names
I have tried OsmAnd and Magic Earth on Android and Magic Earth on IOs and they seem to work well, althouth Magic Earth did some crazy routing. I will compare the same route on OsmAnd Magic Earth and Garmin (OSM maps) and OsmR to see if it is a data problem or routing issue. I still haven't got Navmii to use TTS on Windows-phone but have contacted the vendor. I tried Mapfactor on windows-phone but couldn't get TTS to work. - will try again tonight on windows-phone and android. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Spoken street names
I just tried Scout again (on the iphone) and it didn't do TTS ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Spoken street names
I've already tried Navmii on my windows phone. I like it a lot but it doesn't do TTS (Spoken Street names) - as far as I can tell. I've tried scout on my iPhone (a few years ago - overseas) . From memory, it did TTS but let itself down in late turn announcements. Also you can't purchase the software and I'm not interested in renting it. Osmand only seems to work on Android so I'll have to go out and buy a cheap android phone tomorrow. This is all so I can recommend OSM to others. For myself, when driving I use a garmin device with routable OSM maps from openmapchest and of course the garmins all have TTS. When walking I don't require TTS so any software is good enough. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Spoken street names
Is there any navigation software (for a Mobile phone) that uses offline OSM data and also has spoken street names? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] TIGER tracing layer updated to 2015 release
Yes, many thanks Eric, This facility will result in significant improvements to the US OSM data. Cheers Nick ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses
Excellent job Steve, I believe that house addresses is the only thing missing from OSM that is stopping it from becoming the mainstream mapping data of choice! I’ve always been interested in how to collect addresses, which can be a time consuming and difficult task. Walking around a neighborhood with paper and pencil peering into people’s letter boxes and at their front doors may upset some people, so I’ve though up a (possibly) better way. Two people, in a car. Two GPS units, probably both smartphones, one recording the track log and the other recording the passengers voice. As you drive down the road, the passenger calls out something like….. 12 left 15right 14 left 16 right….. turning left on main street, 67 left etc, etc.. Then later in an editor you can match times from the two sources and compare against Bing imagery to correctly place the house numbers. Cheers ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] Map Roulette
Mike wrote I am trying to use Map Roulette for the Fix Waterway Direction challenge. It seems that after processing a couple of issues, it fails to advance to the next issue. I am using Chrome and editing in JOSM. Hi MIke, I believe that it is a problem with cache control and a workaround is to turn off caching when using Map Roulette. I had just this problem and wireshark analysis suggested to me that it may be an incompatibility between JSON and the browser in the way they interpret some of the newer cache control protocols. This was some time ago and I have forgotten the details. I did ask various people but no one, including Microsoft seemed too keen to investigate. One of these days I'll investigate further and find out who is misinterpreting (or misusing) the cache control. I just used the workaround till I had finished that Maproulette challenge. For me I only had the problem with IE but Firefox worked ok. Not sure what the situation is now. Cheers Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Data for OSM + talk at UNSW
Maybe you could get some students at UNSW to fire up a quad-copter with a go pro on it and get some up-to-date rectified imagery to check against their maps, then edit in any changes/improvement. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2014 update
Mike wrote Since the new roads were flagged, I was able to bring them into OSM. (All manually checked for connectivity, smoothing, etc). Is ther a way to use TIGER 2014 in JOSM yet. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2014 update
Richard Welty wrote the question is how much work are you willing to do to use it. The answer is simple - verry little. I've been doing quite a lot of armchair mapping recently. 1) Pushing crazy TIGER roads around in residential and rural areas. 2) Adding missing roads in Las Vegas (and adding new ones from actual surevy last month). 3) Unabbreviating roads in Las Vegas and in the Denver Area. 4) Readding roads and road names (deleted during the redaction) in Victoria Australia, from the VICMap tms layer 5) Doing manyy of the tasks from the maproulette crossing ways challenge. This means that I spend all of my Osm time on mapping using tools created by others (or from driving around my state) but have no time or inclination to develop these tools. There are about 150 roads in Las Vegas that do not have suffixes and I'm hoping that the 2014 data will addreess this problem. Also there were a lot of new gated communities in Las Vegas that are as yet unnamed in TIGER 2013, and I was not able to drive into these. I'm hoping that some (maybe even most) of these will appear in the new 2014 Tiger data. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[talk-au] Vicmap data
I just tried to add some more Victoria missing road names but can't get the Vicmap imagery working in either JOSM or Potlatch. Does it still work for anyone else Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Vicmap data
Thanks all, Got it working in JOSM now. (Just had a little error in the URL). Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data imports
Regarding the Address data potential import. The Vic Map data is already available for import and it contains the address info for all of Victoria. (as well as tons of roads missing from OSM) I think this would be the best source of address data to import. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)
While people work out how to remove the multitude of tiger ways that don't actually exist, downgrade others from the incorrect residential to unclassified or track depending on imagery or ground survey, and fix the geometry of all unedited TIGER data, I beleive that it's absolutely essential (from safety and useability perspectives) to immediately mark all these uncertain ways as unroutable. Whether to make them driveways or use access=no , I've no idea. I think thrse ways can easily be identified by... 1) They are original TIGER data import 2) They have not been edited since import 3) They are higway=residential 4) They are unnamed A bot could do this easily and then it really doesn't matter how long it takes to find the best solution. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Road abbreviations
Keith wrote
Sounds like you fixed this quickly. Would you mind explaining the steps in
detail you took to achieve this? Thanks
I decided to use a set of common abbreviations of
Ct
St
Ave
Dr
Ln
Pl
Pkwy
Cl
Cir
Rd
In Australia I'd propably add Cct (Circuit) to the list.
Then for the first Ct which is Court I went to overpass-turbo.eu and
ran the query of
query type=way
has-kv k=name regv= [Cc][Tt]$/
bbox-query {{bbox}}/!--this is auto-completed with the
current map view coordinates.--
/query
union
item/
recurse type=down/
/union
print/
This shows all the ways whose name ends in a space followed by ct (in any
capitalization).
With this map in one window and JOSM in another window, I then located the
first Ct in the Josm window and edited it manually to be Court
Often there was a *nest* of abbreviations (St Ln Pl etc...) in the same
neighbourhood, so having fixed one way I would hav a quick look around that
area. and fix any other abbreviations I found. Then on to the next Ct.
I generally worked my way west to east and north to south.
Once I had cleared up all the Ct (rerunning the operpass query verifies
this) I then started on the St (Streets). About30 or 40 hours later Las
Vegas was fixed.
What I will now do I export to CSV all the Las Vegas Road names, then grep
out all the good ones (I.E Court, Street, Road) and see what's left.
Any typos I've made while editing (E.G Ctourt) and any ways without
suffixes will be left and I can investigate if they can be improved or not
(from TIGER 2013).
You'll notice that no bots were run in the making of these fixes. This is
for two reasons. Firstly I'm not a fan of bots since they make assumptions
which may not always be true. Secondly, manual editing in JOSM with the
TIGER 2013 and OSM data showing, means that I found quite a few missing
road names in OSM. Also I found quite a few missing roads and If both TIGER
and Bing imagery agreed about the road then I added in the road.
I also found a few typos along the way which I could fix as well.
Ie always found that desk checking against another source (like TIGER) and
entire city results in massive improvements. Any city I've mapped I always
desk check against another source and inevitably find lots of typos to fix.
Nick
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Re: [Talk-us] Road abbreviations
stevea wrote, though there are problems in the west, like Las Vegas Ok - I think I've fixed all of these in Las Vegas (there were a few thousand). It's amazing how simple they are to find using the overpass api (and overpass turbo). Nick ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Road abbreviations
Stecea wrote though there are problems in the west, like Las Vegas Hi, I've just come back from a holiday to Las Vegas where I surveyed as many unamed streets and new neighbourhoods (that are not named in TIGER 2013) as I could find. Hopefully this means that OSM now has the best road data of Las Vegas on the planet, although some gated communities still have unnamed streets. Now that I am reduced back to armchair mapping, I may as well get started on expanding all the abbreviated street names in Las Vegas from Paul's excellent overlay. Should keep me busy for a couple on months!! Cheers Nick ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[talk-au] Vicmap data copying
Am I correct in saying that it is permissable to copy street names from the VicMap into OSM? Also - what about the house numbers, is that ok as well? I have neither the time, talent or inclination to do an import of house numbers, but would help out in any manual effort to add all house numbers for Victoria into OSM. Is such an import envisaged because, if so, then I wouldn't want to muddy the waters by starting to manually add them. Also - I remember someone saying that Gold Coast roade name data was available. Is this available yet for josm or potlach since I would love to get the rest of the roads named up there? Cheers Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Vicmap data copying
Steve wrote IMHO some small scale imports may be useful, but from my comparisons, the VicMap data is not necessarily better than OSM. It often has stuff OSM doesn't, but sometimes that includes spurious stuff like roads that no longer exist, never did, etc. Thanks Steve, As far as importing goes, I'm only talking about house numbers (since they are so hard to collect by survey). I definitely think that road names must NOT be imported but added individually, where current osm data and bing imagery indicate that there really is a road (currently OSM unamed) there. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] M31 at Holbrook
Hi Mark, The B58 (according to the signs) continues right down to the Hume Weir (including Murray Street). C542 continues over the bridge and right up to the intersection with B58. I have amended these on OSM and added in a few road names in the area. Unfortunately my car broke down three time on the way home so I didn't get time to map streets in Albury. I see that some one else has kindly finished off most of Albury. I'm doing another bike ride down that way in March, and will try to pick off any remaining streets then. Cheers Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] M31 at Holbrook
Hi Mark, Holbrook looks great, thanks. I'll check on B58 and while in Albury I'll grab a few more street signs for some of the unnamed streets. I won't bother with Wodonga since once the Vicmap data is available for JOSM I can add them all then. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] M31 at Holbrook
Hi Arthur, mark, About four weeks ago I went down to Melbourne, for a bike ride and did have my GPS on through Holbrook. I saw someone had put the bypass in so I didn't think to check it. I've just uploaded my GPS and it matches the other one very well and is substantially different to the construction ways. Last Year I wen down to Nagambie lakes ( for a bike ride) and surveyed most of Holbrook (pre bypass) on the way back. A lot of this is now wrong, because of the bypass. Mark, I'll be going back down to Nagambie Lakes for the same ride this year (in two weeks), so If you run out of time or miss any roads, I will be able to finish them off. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Openstreetmap Quality Issues
http://www.gazette.vic.gov.au/gazette/Gazettes2013/GG2013S204.pdf Not sure what all this is about but may be of interest (it does mention Diggers Way). ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Openstreetmap Quality Issues
Hi Neil, I think the way to get this fixed permanently could be... Fix it one more time, re-add the note saying that the imagery is out of date and that this intersection has been surveyed. Change the source tag from nearmap to survey. Now even though one of the mnappers has a fairly colourful history of edit wars and non response to polite messages, it may be useful to send both of them a message pointing out that you have actually surveyed the area and that the Bing imagery is out of date. You could send links to the Google map sattelite view that shows the new layout and also the Google street view that shows the old layout. I guess that it's possible (but not likely) that the local council have decided that what they originally had was better and have resealed the parts that were removed. You could check whether the latest mapper actually surveyed it or just traced it from imagery. I also think it would be nice if all edit software flashed up a warning (once per session) if you change an object that has a survey tag. This warning would disappear on the next click but may serve to give the mapper second thoughts as to whether his changes are for the better or not. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] vicmap data licensing
Hi Li I'm convinced that you will find that it is practically impossible to mass import (or even mass merge) a new road dataset into existing data when there is a large amount of existing data. The only practical way would be to delete all of the Victorian data and start again with the mass import. This would destroy OSM Victoria. Using high quality external data to complete the existing data is a realistic and not to difficult job. Firstly any existing roads that lost their names in the licence change (or had only ever been traced rather than surveyed in the first place) will appear highlighted in OSMI and can easily be named using vicmap data by any number of armchair mappers. This is an easy and enjoyable task. Also the vicmapdata will probably have a lot of roads that are new or that have never been traced or surveyed in OSM. These can easily be identified by overlaying the vicmap data in one JOSM layer and the existing data in another. Using correct transparency and colouring the new roads stand out like.oops. Then the vicmap data (on a road by road basis) can be click selected and merged into the existing layer with all its tags. If a whole neighbourhood is new then it may be merged as a unit. You will have to manually connect the new road/s to existing ones but that is also easy. Bing imagery (which is very good in Australia) can aslo be used, at the same time, to verify or tweak the vicmap data as it is manually merged. All this results in excellent road data which will be better than any other prroviders, by a wide margin. I do this every year that new TIGER data comes out and I make sure a few cities in the USA are updated in this fashion. Every time vicmap produce new datasets this process can easily be repeated, without having to do a whole new mass import. Of course, ideally, local mappers will have surveyed any new roads way before vicmap have produced a new data set. This certainly happens in Canberra - which reminds me, there may be three of four new roads open today - I'll go have a look in a minute or two. Given the current amount of good quality existing Victorian road data in OSM, the task of getting it perfect using vicmapdata will not take too long. Of even more use would be if there is cadastral data available. This is absolutely essential if OSM is to ever succeed and this data is not easily surveyed. Walking around with a pad an pencil peering into people's letterboxes or doors is not safe or enjoyable. Therefore this data is ideal to be mass imported. (especially as it would probably be high quality data). Even then you would have to be careful not to step on peoples toes who had already done a street or two. Maybe you could import address info on a street by street basis and if your import program found any existing address data, it could ignore that street and create a list somewhere that people could use to do a partial manual import from vicmap data. How you programmatically compare streets in OSM and Vicmapdata is the difficult bit. No one in OSM has ever been brave (or maybe clever) enough to achieve this yet and I certainly couldn't. Mass imports only can work if there is no (or almost no) existing data. USA found this out when the mass import of TIGER data, effectively destroyed the USA OSM community and it has taken nearly ten years to recover. Unfortunately the original TIGER data was/is very low quality in terms of geometry and this still plagues the USA data to this day (and probably for the next 5 years or so). I'm sure that people in OSM-US can help in converting vicmap data into an imagery layer (and may even host it for you as well :-) Cheers Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] vicmap data licensing
Hi Li Does the vicmap[ data include road geometry and road names. If so then a really usefull thing to do would be to create an imagery layer from this data that could be used in JOSM. This is what is done in the USA with each year's TIGER data. Then we could use the Bing imagery the vicmap layer and existing data to fill in all the unnamed streets/roads and include any new ones or ones that have not yet been surveyed or traced. It would only be a matter of months and all of Victoria's roads would be completely up to date. Curerently, I'm spending hours each day using the TIGER data and Bing imagery in helping to fix up the horrible original TIGER data but would love to be helping in fixing up Australia. Nick Hocking Canberra ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[OSM-talk] Bicentennial National Trail in Australia
Hi The other day I was riding the push bike along some trails and got talking to some horse riders. It turns out the Lady (Jenny) is the ACT coordinator for (and also the secretary of) the Bicentennial National Trail Ltd. Naturally I dropped the term Openstreetmap and it appears that they are very interested to hear about OSM and their mapping guy would like to talk to us about what they could do with OSM. Apparently they are doing quite a bit of remapping in Queensland, due to the floods, so I see BNT and OSM being very usefull to each other. I told Jenny that one of our Canberra mappers (John) had done quite a bit of work on the BNT in the ACT and they would love to talk to you about it, if you'd be agreeable to that. They also need to have topographical maps for their trail guides but I'm not sure whether OSM has that yet for Australia. It turns out that the trail I was riding on is part of the BNT but is not yet mapped as such in OSM, so I'll have to start surveying the southern part of the ACT's bit of the BNT when time permits. Therefore, my question is, who is the best OSM person to advise BNT of the various technical details of using OSM map data. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[talk-au] Bicentennial National Trail
Hi The other day I was riding the push bike along some trails and got talking to some horse riders. It turns out the Lady (Jenny) is the ACT coordinator for (and also the secretary of) the Bicentennial National Trail Ltd. Naturally I dropped the term Openstreetmap and it appears that they are very interested to hear about OSM and their mapping guy would like to talk to us about what they could do with OSM. Apparently they are doing quite a bit of remapping in Queensland, due to the floods, so I see BNT and OSM being very usefull to each other. I told Jenny that one of our Canberra mappers (John) had done quite a bit of work on the BNT in the ACT and they would love to talk to you about it, if you'd be agreeable to that. They also need to have topographical maps for their trail guides but I'm not sure whether OSM has that yet for Australia. It turns out that the trail I was riding on is part of the BNT but is not yet mapped as such in OSM, so I'll have to start surveying the southern part of the ACT's bit of the BNT when time permits. Therefore, my question is, who is the best OSM person to advise BNT of the various technical details of using OSM map data. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute
It may be that what is happening is that NE2 is deliberately trying to start an edit war so that he will be allowed back onto this list to discuss it. If, as seems to be the case, the bulk of his edits are destructive and need to be reverted, then the sensible thing to do may be to put an auto revert bot in for him. This would protect the OSM database and allow people to just ignore him. Or, the more sensible thing would be just to ban him from editing. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns
Richard wrote So if it interests you, have a go at it. It does interest me and I will have a go at it (eventually). However I have a few more pressing issues (OSMwise). We urgently need to complete the street name reclamation of Australia. To this end I will be mapping Hay and Narrandra in the next two weeks and fixing up Mildura and Renmark. I'll also knock out a few of the suburbs in Adelaide that have lost their street names. Also (and this could be done by an armchair mapper,local or overseas) we need to get all the house addresses for Australia into OSM. I'm also spending a lot of time fixing crazy TIGER roads in th US (I'm having a huge battle with some really crazy stuff near Lake Arrowhead). Once all the crazy TIGER roads are fixed and all the US house addresses are added then and only then will (I believe) Nokia start to use OpenStreetMaps in their mapping app. Then all the others (Apple, Google etc) will have to follow suit. Once all this has happened then I intend to spend a lot of time writing software for the mobile platform to do stuff that I find interesting. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns
Hi Alex, My view on all this is that if a place has officially been designated as a city then we must tag it as such. If it is offically a town then we must tag it as a town etc. If we can't find any official designation then either common sense of maybe a state specific rule could be applied. Anyway, in my neck of the woods Goulburn really MUST revert to a city or we risk alienating all NSW residents and making our map unacceptable to a large number of potential users. Cheers Nick PS - Goulburn was officially declared a city *twice* because there was some confusion about it the first time! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns
According to NSW Government Gazette 1885, vol. I. NSW Government. 1885-03-20 Goulburn was officially proclaimed a City on 20 March 1885 This user has changed Goulburn from a city to a town amazing ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] traffic lights on dual carriageway intersections
Ian Steer wrote I think this is good because no matter which way you go through the intersection, you only pass one set of lights (rather than 2 if they were placed on the actual intersecting nodes). Couldn't a smart traffic light counter detect dual carrageways and just add a single signal, same as the exit counter does for roundabouts? Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Preparing to map.
Sorry folks, I was having too much fun in Port Macquarie and only got to map for a short while. I did some roads near the racecourse although most of these were never named in OSM before. On my returm trip I will make a more determined effort to re-map the rest of Port Macquarie. I have made a decent start to mapping the Gold Coast and I'll do some more today hopefully. Cheers Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Preparing to map.
I see that Port Macquarie and Wauchope need quite a bit of remedial work done on them. On my way to the Pan-Pac Games this week, I am going to try to acheive some of this. I started by realigning those roads that redaction had caused to misalign. Then I traced in those roads that went missing. I tagged them, temporarly, just as highway=road, so that they stand out. Then I changed those roads that didn't have a name to highway=road as well. Now what I'll do is make up a set of custom poi's with a coordinate from each of these road. That way my Garmin sat-nav will direct me to the nearest road that needs attention. I've found that there were a LOT of roads originally just traced in but then never surveyed at all, so there is so much work to do that I am going to try to do it fast. I'll have multiple loggers going and will be recording the street names via audio so that I don't have to stop to photograph or note down stuff. When I need to geo-locate my recording I will just voice record a time and simultaneously tag a waypoint on one of the loggers. Then, at night I'll edit it all in and maybe pretty it up a bit. Now , what would be *really* useful, is if someone/or two could check what I've done, maybe on Monday-week onwards. By checking OSM against some other maps (street directories etc) if you spot any spelling mistakes I've made or any roads I've failed to edit or name, then if you could note down the lat/long and drop me a message or note them to this list. That way, on my way back the following week, I can correct mistakes and complete the job. Then if I have any time left, I'll duck over to Wauchope, which needs a complete mapping, and get started there. Nick PS - there were some real problems with Port Macquarie that the redaction bot cleaned out nicely for us, so I think we could end up with a really nice Port Macquarie, which is only fitting for such a nice place! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Importing locality names from GeoScience Australiadataset.
David wrote A lot of the locations are towns that only existed for a short time and many are ones that never existed, or existed just in the mind of a planner. Yes - this absolutely epitomises the main problem of most imports. Here we have 19,000 bits of data that are almost certainly completely irrelevant since for almost all of them there is nothing there in the real world. Thus the data is voluminous but poor quality and detracts from the accuracy and usefulness of the map. What we should do (IMHO) is grab the data (if its licence is compatable with OSM) then use it to go check out (survey) actual areas of Australia and put in any of it that we can verify as real and accurate. If we do this then we greatly improve the map but just importing the entire low quality data would be disastrous. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] brisbane mapping party
Hi all, I'm going to be at the Gold Coast for the week of November 3-10 for the Pan Pacific Masters Games. Although I'm registered in 3 different sports, I intend to spend at least one day (and some bits and pieces) reading as many Gold Coast street signs as possible. I'll be starting around the main beach area and work southwards. Although, with Melbourne cup on, I may well be more into indoor activities. :-) Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] China's maps to be closely monitored for more accuracy
Does this mean tha the openstreetmap website/database will not be accessable in China. If so then we can get no more edits from there. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[talk-au] (no subject)
John wrote I've been giving you a bit of a hand there, but mainly outside Canberra Thanks John, all help very much appreciated. Once I finish Canberra I will start helping out to clear keep right errors in Sydney. Keep right is the best method, in m,y view, since it gives immediate feedback on what errors still need to be fixed and also an indication of how much good work you've just done - both important things, I believe. I hope it was not mne that left those disconnections in Cootamundra, I'm always very careful about that even if I'm no so fussy that the road corners are untra smooth and pretty or conversely that I use the absolute mimimum number of nodes and end up with really ugly ways. Cootra was half mapped before I got there and I don't recall cleaning it up with keep right so maybe the disconnections were not me (hopefully). PS Candelo also needs remapping (along with Cobago) Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] The OSM ladder
Ben wrote Also, thank you for fixing those track sections at St Marys. Do you know what happened there? Given there was a derailment there 2 months ago, I find this a spooky co-incidence... Co-incidently I was in Sydney for the day, on that day, for a work meeting and as I was heading back to the XPT I saw the signs about the derailment. As to the mis-edit, probably just and overmapped helper from overseas who should have given up an hour before and gone to bed. Making lots of boring edits all at once is a recipe for lots of mistakes. Thanks for the links - it seems that the area around Pictgon is very problematic - this is not looking good :-( . Also flying it to Australia could be difficult since the world record for the longest cargo is 42 metres (in an Antinov 225 aircraft). Still, I don't have a problem with trying to set a world record. If this doesn't work then we would need to ship it to Australia or maybe just build it/them here, but how boring would that be. This could be all about making huge headlines around the country which would be a win for everyone ionvolved. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] The OSM ladder
I wish to transport a long thinnish somewhat fragile wooden object from Sydney to Canberra behind steam locomotive 1210. Given that there some tunnels along the way, is the mapping in OSM accurate enough in terms of bendiness to calculate (given a known width of tunnel) whether the wooden object will survive the trip. I guess it's a bit like the ladder around the corner problem except that the corner is not 90 degree and it's not actually a ladder. I suspect the object may be in the vicinity of 50 metres long. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] The OSM ladder
Alex wrote or a question about loading gauges that the ARTC might better answer? Yes it would be better for ARTC to answer but before I bother them I would like to know if it is at all feasable. Specifically, I am concerned that one of the tunnels between Queanbeyan and Bungendore may well be too sharp and since I'm sure it was not mapped by proper survey but just by connecting the two ends with some sort or curve, I may well have to get the object offloaded at Bungendore and trucked in from there. I'd imagine the curves should be ok for a 50 metre object but I'm not at all sure. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] The OSM ladder
Actually, I've just had a go with a 50 metre stick insect in JOSM and it is REALLY touch and go (or is that touch and stay). Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] The OSM ladder
Russell wrote you could at least work out a minimum radius of curvature OK - what I will do is find out the tunnel width. Then I'll assume that we offload the objecty just before the tunnel and walk it through with the object rotated 90 degrees through the long axis. I'll do as you suggest and assume a minimum (or should that be maximum) raduis of curvature and see what a best case scenario is). The only other problem I see is the tunnel near colo vale, looks like a close fit. Checking OSM I came out of Sydney the wrong way but when I was well and truly derailed at St Marys, I headed back inthe right direction. Unfortunately someone has connected two railway tracks with a residential road. It's hard to see how the bing imagery supports this view but I'll fix all those edits I can find in a hour or so since the history makes it quite unambiguous how the tagging should be. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] The OSM ladder
Ok - my initial drawings, using JOSM and a tunnel width of 3 metres show that this could end up being a matter of inches. I really have to find out exact dimensions of the object and whether there is any flexability in it so that we could bend it around the tunnel. Also, if two tunnels are such a problem then are there any other object close enought to the tracks (trees, signal posts, platforms) that could be an issue. I don't think we need special rolling stock, two or three flat beds with the object mounted on a swivel may suffice. A more practical (though less fun and flashy) alternative is to just have the object flown directly to Canberra rather than Sydney but this would also mean organising Customs to be present in Canberra. I can just see the conversation now. Do you have any wooden objects in your luggage to declare... Yes officer, just the one :-) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Routing islands
Hi ben http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/debug.html?view=routing_non_eulon=150.82846lat=-33.7503zoom=15opacity=0.98 gets the routing outside europe ( I had the same problem and went looking for this url) . http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?schema=50error=38081608 paints an even gloomier picture. I am well on the way to fixing Canberra but the number of errors was/is amazing. I'm just about to do the floating Islands (orange in keep right). Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New Australian caching server. Feedback?
Ben wrote 'Classic. You know you've got an OSM addiction problem when... ' What!! - I've only got 28 GPS units, at last count :-) Actually, with so many unit on me when I ride the bike (3 or 4) I thought I'd try to see if they interfered with each other. I believe this is why some airlines (or Captains) disallow GPS usage on a flight. (They think that GPS units act as some sort of secondary re-transmitter of the GPS signal. Anyway I dont believe that the units (in the 3 back pockets of my bike top) caused each other any problems. Having said that though, when the Qstarz 10hz unit was in one of the pockets, it was about 30 metres off for the first 20 laps then jumped a further 20 meters away for the next 20. I think that this unit just requires a better look at the sky than other units since the next day I had it strapped to the top of my helmet and it was bang on. (It did cause my head to overheat probably from breaking up the airflow). Last weekend the Qstarz 10hz performed poorly in the car so I need to do a lot more tests on it. Im going to have to buy one more logger. The Holux GPSport 260pro is as good ad the 260 but also will talk to ANT+ heartrate and cadence monitors. This is importand for me because it is not easy to read my Garmin gps watch while I am riding flat out and the Holux is easiy handlebar mounted. PS - I just saw that Cobago suffered a mapslide in the redaction process. I won't be able to get down there for a couple of months so if anyone is driving past, I t would only take half an hour to basic road map it! CHeers Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New Australian caching server. Feedback?
Grant wrote Have you noticed faster tiles this week? Certainly have.Many thanks Kris Ive just spent 5 hours editing in my mapping travels from today so the faster tile server really helped out. It is really fast. Ive also been fixing hundreds of keep right errors in Canberra, so Fast tiles are a must at the moment. Today I had 8 gps units in the car and 5 were logging . A sixth, my favourite, a Garmin 310xt forerunner was not logging because I forgot to turn it on:-( The Holux GPSSport 260 works really well, and has a good visualizer and will plot waypoints as well as tracks - really nice to use. The Qstarz 10 points per second logger is good for track work on the bike but does tend to drift out of position now and again. It also runs out of log space after a few hours. The Iphone/5 mytracks app is excellent and along with the voice memos make detailed mapping from a car quite possible. However I must look for a better audio app that will geotag my recordings so that I don't have to describe my position all the time and take waypoints with one of the loggers and then try to match them up. It works but is a pain. The io-data/holux-m-241 logger worked well and was the best for taking waypoints (the qstarz is also very handy for waypoints). So with faster tiles and better survey equipment I managed to reclaim lots of data today and get lots of new info as well. It's fun to be mapping again even if it is tearing hell out of my car. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-us] Remap-a-tron level 2 complete! Suggestions for level 3?
I think the most necessary cleanup to the USA OSM data is to clean up all the crazy unedited original Tiger roads. These can easily be identified simply as those ways that have a name but are still the original Tiger data and have not been edited. (except for the balrog-kun bot). You could just identify spots not closer together than (say) 1 mile and that would allow the editor to have a nice piece of real estate to clean up each time. It is quite fun doing this since (with the help of TIGER 2012) overlay and Bing imagery, it is usually possible to determine which road goes where and you see an enormous improvement in the map for relatively small efforts. If the remap-a-tron identifies an area where all the original; TIGER data was correct, then no problems, we just flag it as good and move on, but at least that area has now been eyeballed by a real person who probably will be able to add in a few new TIGER 2012 roads if they have the overlay active. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Remap-a-tron level 2 complete! Suggestions for level 3?
oldtopos wrote I will also point out that the connectivity errors I mentioned earlier are, in fact, largely a result of unedited TIGER data I'd be happy to go along with a flavour of a connect-a-tron. It's very hard not to clean up an entire neighbourhood/s when crazy TIGER roads are spotted so this would target a lot of those as well. Also if we all always activate TIGER 2012 imagery then it's also very hard to ignore new TIGER 2012 roads that need adding. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Remap-a-tron level 2 complete! Suggestions for level 3?
Level 3 Tiger 2012 roads, that are named, that don't have a corresponding OSM way with similar naming and similar geometry. This would pick up new 2012 Tiger roads, and unedited original Tiger named roads which were of poor quality. Level 4 Tiger unedited roads that are highway residential and have no name. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Schedule for State Of The Map US is live
Hi all, I've just oredered a ticket for this. I live in Australia but I hope it's ok if I attend a local chapter event like this. I do have some US credentials. I've driven and mapped extensively in California, and Colarado and Nevada and armchairmapped in a few other states as well. I believe that SOTM Tokyo was the most important SOTM ever and likewise I am sure this SOTM-US will be the most important one ever since we do stand at so many crossroads right now and I don't want to miss out on any of it. PS - I have a mapping party planned in Australia in two years time, and I would really like to talk to someone from NASA about their cool remote controlled vehicle that we saw in Tokyo!!! PPS - I Haven't applied for leave yet but I hope that won't be a problem! Cheers Nick ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
