Re: [OSM-talk] Many processes not defined | Re: Proposal for Software Dispute Resolution Panel

2020-08-04 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Mikel, I might be misunderstanding what you meant, but in my opinion conformity is required for this type of project, and I do hope iD/JOSM/... help us achieve that. To clarify: * features with the same meaning (type) should be mapped the same way, otherwise each consumer must understand all of

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

2020-03-19 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I second Jóhannes -- every dataset, including OSM itself (hehe) has errors. Consuming each additional dataset is a complex task -- each dataset has its own structure and conventions, thus the fewer datasets one has to work with, the better. The fundamental problem with 99.9% of the datasets

Re: [OSM-talk] Creation of "Data Items" by bot for undocumented tags

2020-02-18 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
It is very strange that we, on one hand, allow anyone to create any kind of tags (just type it in), and on the other we create so many hurdles to document it (we refuse to allow a wiki page about an item, but instead demand that each key page go through a proposals process, approve it, etc). I

Re: [OSM-talk] Testing torrents for the planet dump

2020-02-09 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Christian, I would like to add torrent support to the download-osm tool [1]. While I could try to scrape https://osm.cquest.org/torrents/ , I would obviously rather use the structured xml file (or if you could provide a JSON file, even better). Proposed logic: * get the catalog file (xml/json) *

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I am in favor of this or similar language. I think for a more vote-like discussion it might be better to use the wiki talk page (easier to add +1s and short comments). On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 2:59 PM stevea wrote: > I don't know if here or https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Talk:Good_practice is a >

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM/LondonOSM | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
something we need to document in OSM, but it highlights that language is not homogeneous with naming and just makes a fun story :) On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 6:22 AM Rory McCann wrote: > On 07.02.20 20:22, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > (e.g. two fairly large groups of people could refer to

Re: [OSM-talk] Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-07 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Thanks Stevea, I really liked your examples. And thank you Mikel - I agree. OSM already has substantial amount of non-physical but relevant information (e.g. many IDs pointing to external registries), and as Stevea points out - even naming for something local could be contradictory (e.g. two

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #497 2020-01-21-2020-01-27

2020-02-03 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Andy, I agree that being frugal with bandwidth is important. Yet, there is a significant operations cost involved here, that I suspect very few will actually be willing to spend, unless it is made trivial -- the cost of setting up an independent planet file update pipeline - i.e. a docker image

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #497 2020-01-21-2020-01-27

2020-02-02 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Andy, two major reasons: * Anyone working on an evolving project like OpenMapTiles would attest that the import schema constantly changes. Every time schema changes, one needs to download newest planet, import it based on the new schema, and run diffs from that point. * Automation / easy

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #497 2020-01-21-2020-01-27

2020-02-02 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
The news mentions that downloads from Planet OSM are currently rate limited to 400 kB/s and suggest to use mirrors, but does not mention the related announcement about the new tool to simplify such downloads. I think it will help anyone downloading, and it might be worth including in the next

[OSM-talk] New tool to download OSM data from all mirrors in parallel

2020-01-28 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
For those who download OSM data regularly, there is now a simple way to reduce the load on the primary OSM servers, while also making download much faster and ensure the data is correct. OpenMapTiles new tool downloads the planet from all mirrors in parallel. It usually takes just a few minutes,

Re: [OSM-talk] iD as default editor

2019-12-22 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
check your OSM settings. AFAIK, iD is the default editor. On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 2:10 AM Sören Reinecke via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Hello, > > so far I know currently Postlatch is the default editor on osm.org . > Since it needs Flash to run and most users do not have Flash

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki templates and DataItems

2019-11-22 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I would love to fully transition to data items, as it would make translation and cross-language tag consistency far easier. We now have a data item editor you can enable by going to preferences / gadgets, and enabling it. *

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-14 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Stevea, I think this discussion mixes two topics, as Martin pointed out: * I want to be credited for my work (i.e. you couldn't have done it without me, just say so) * I want to control what you do with the results of my work (i.e. you must not kill baby seals using the map I created) The first

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-14 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
stevea, I would not be exactly the same person without OSM. Does it mean ODbL applies to me? A hammer was used to build a house, but the house does not have hammer's copyright. Just because some data was used in the process does not necessarily mean that whoever saw that data taints everything

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-14 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Let me get this straight: * I create a dataset from public data sources, e.g. a list of roads, and publish it under the Public Domain dedication (i.e. CC0). (I agree that MIT is weird here). * Afterwards, I make a subset of my original data by removing any roads I found elsewhere, e.g. in a

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-15 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I agree with Christoph -- every tag used in OSM data must be documented -- otherwise it has near-zero value.. Actually negative value because it confuses people -- some might want to delete it, but they don't know if it is useful, so they just leave it there almost indefinitely. In an ideal world

Re: [OSM-talk] Overpass API - Fetching countries, their capitals, and their borders

2019-08-14 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
You can use Sophox to pull this type of information, possibly just not all at once. Here's a query that will give you all first level country sub-divisions (Canada in this case), as well as each province's Captial, Flag image, and ISO codes. https://tinyurl.com/y6jowy8v (this query was modified

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

2019-07-29 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Also, fully accurate data is a myth, even if we only have 1% completeness. Once data is beyond a certain size, it is guaranteed to be wrong, simply because humans always make mistakes and things always become outdated. We can only discuss how close we are to the ideal "perfect accuracy", and what

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

2019-07-29 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 6:19 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > speaking about risks, having an incomplete network of verified, correct > roads is probably more useful and less troublesome than an "overcomplete" > one which also contains non-existent roads (e.g. waterways interpreted as > roads) or

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikibase items instead of usual templates for wiki pages?

2019-06-10 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 12:23 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Pull requests work and that is exactly scheme used now - by iD, JOSM, > Vespucci, StreetComplete etc. > Ahem, actually no, they do not -- as demonstrated by the recent scandal with iD presets. Community is disconnected from

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikibase items instead of usual templates for wiki pages?

2019-06-10 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 8:08 PM Mateusz Konieczny > Also, "edit on Wiki automatically and silently starts equivalent of PR" is > also not going to work. > Why a pull request won't work? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikibase items instead of usual templates for wiki pages?

2019-06-10 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 8:03 PM mmd wrote: > This idea was recently discussed on Slack US #id channel. To quote Bryan > on this: "We will never use the wikibase for our presets, sorry". mmd, this was recently discussed in the iD sync-up call, and Bryan was much more welcoming to the idea :)

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikibase items instead of usual templates for wiki pages?

2019-06-10 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
eal benefits. > Count on my support to go further with them. > > Le lun. 10 juin 2019 à 18:38, Yuri Astrakhan a > écrit : > >> (please fix them in the wiki pages in the corresponding languages, the >> bot will automatically update the data items) >> > > What if we

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikibase items instead of usual templates for wiki pages?

2019-06-10 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Another big advantage is that various tools can use this information directly from the wiki, without any 3rd party sites - i.e. iD editor gets new localized descriptions and images the moment they are updated in the wiki - and we could store other info like validation rules and even solve the

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikibase items instead of usual templates for wiki pages?

2019-06-10 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
> > I think we need to discuss if this is desired, before any more time is > spent on adding all of those data items. > Joseph, I agree that ideally we should not have duplicates anywhere. Currently we have thousands of mismatches between languages - e.g. in statuses and what key/tag should be

Re: [OSM-talk] iD invents nosquare=yes for buildings which should not be squared

2019-05-10 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 3:39 PM Yves wrote: > Some validation tools, like Osmose, make great efforts to maintain a > 'false positive' database. > If the same validation is done by multiple tools, they need to share the "false positive" data, otherwise only one tool would know not to change

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-22 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
If the whole issue is optimizing search results, lets just create an "Archive" namespace that is not included in search by default. Moving to archive is different from deleting because only admins can see deleted content. On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 4:11 AM Lester Caine wrote: > On 22/04/2019

Re: [OSM-talk] uselessness of brand:wikipedia and brand:wikidata tags (was Re: Bank of India (and other) Wikidata tags)

2019-04-17 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Interestingly enough, FOSS4G San Digeo where I was just attending has had several talks about wikidata IDs usfulness in OSM... Also, AFAIK, mapbox is using WD in brands to do their searches for POIs, as that is much easier to consume than names. OpenMapTiles have discussed wikidata ids at length,

Re: [OSM-talk] Bank of India (and other) Wikidata tags

2019-04-17 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Andy, you could also use one of the example queries in sophox.org to find all objects that are usually tagged with brand:wikidata=* (e.g. have more than 10 instances of that), and find all other objects that use that same value for wikidata tag. The query currently finds over 15,000 such objects,

Re: [OSM-talk] Software configuration | Re: iD influencing tagging

2019-04-11 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Thx Mark, makes sense. Data items are wiki pages too, and we can protect them the same way. Still, I think it's a moot point -- at least initially preset data will go via GitHub as regular pull requests. On Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 05:34 Mark Wagner wrote: > On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 03:17:27 -0400 >

Re: [OSM-talk] Software configuration | Re: iD influencing tagging

2019-04-11 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 2:10 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > * easy to edit by community > > I am dubious whatever "anybody can > edit any preset stored as wikidata > items" will be considered as benefit > One could also doubt that allowing direct OSM and Wikipedia edits by anyone would be

Re: [OSM-talk] Software configuration | Re: iD influencing tagging

2019-04-10 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 5:04 PM Rory McCann wrote: > In JOSM, people, or groups, can make their own tagging presets. AFAIK iD > unfortunately doesn't have this feature. If it did, the iD version on > openstreetmap.org could be configured to something special, people could > have their personal

Re: [OSM-talk] Dialects of English | Re: iD influencing tagging

2019-04-10 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
anto or Irish or something. > > If you want real fun, just talk about "tabling an agenda item"  > > On 08/04/2019 18:32, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > Martin, thanks for explanation, but my point still stands -- in tags, we > > treat words not at their own meaning, b

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-08 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
at 3:50 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 7. Apr 2019, at 22:23, Yuri Astrakhan > wrote: > > > > A good example is "denomination=evangelical" -- German speakers should > not use it for "evangelisch" which sta

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 1:48 PM john whelan wrote: > Tagging is not always easy, highways in Africa are an example. See a dirt > track in Europe and its probably a highway=track. In Africa it probably > isn't. > A "road is a highway" is confusing because the word "highway" has a different

Re: [OSM-talk] Bot edits on the OSM wiki

2019-02-24 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Tobias, thank you for clarification. The lang parameter was very often incorrect because people copy/pasted it without changing. I did a minor clean up with a manual inspection of every edit - similar to many of my previous edits (by "yurik" account), but with the bot+minor flag to avoid exactly

Re: [OSM-talk] Help - how to get rid of wrong image in wiki?

2018-12-20 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Tag:oneway=reversible was using image Baustellenampel.jpg because English page had no image, and the Polish translation used it, so it got copied form PL to the Item:Q5736 and became the default for all languages. If that image is incorrect, it should probably be removed from the Polish

[OSM-talk] Sophox is back to life

2018-11-28 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Thanks to a kind donation by Elastic (of Elasticsearch fame), we now have a much cleaner and more stable Sophox service. Sophox is an RDF database that contains: * All of OSM data without geometries * All of OSM Metadata (keys, well known tags, etc) as defined in OSM Wiki items (with all

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF makes a political decision where should be a technical solution?

2018-11-23 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
ve averted this whole thing. On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 2:24 AM Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 23.11.2018 01:42, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > One idea (perhaps this should go into a separete thread): > > There already is a separate thread over on the tagging list started just >

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF makes a political decision where should be a technical solution?

2018-11-22 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Victor, thank you for a very thorough and accurate analysis. I especially appreciate 4.2 -- the fact that this decision is very bad for the data users -- I would not be able to use this data at all, simply because most of the time one needs to render the map from the perspective of the specific

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikimedia Community Wishlist 2019

2018-10-30 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Stefano, thanks! One important aspect - it seems a single generic request with guidance gets done much better than multiple smaller items. I highly recommend uniting behind the general "improve maps" request to get WMF to commit to maps full time, rather than "throwing us a bone" (creating a

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 8:22 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I think a country relation should describe how the specific country think > of its borders. So if two countries claim the same territory, those two > relations will overlap. > > That is absurd and conflict with OSM rule to map what

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-21 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I think a country relation should describe how the specific country think of its borders. So if two countries claim the same territory, those two relations will overlap. While not ideal, this is preferable for many data consumers - when generating a map, one always has to consider whom it is

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-28 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Michael, thanks for your comments! The original searchbox functionality has been restored, sorry for the delay. See also some related requests to make it even more useful. [1] I have made some changes to the OpenStreetMap:Wikibase wiki page - could you take a look? I would love your help in

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-28 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:50 AM Mateusz Konieczny < matkoni...@tutanota.com > wrote: > Main point of separate presets is that creator of an editor has control > over it. > Mateusz, who should control an app's behavior - the developer or the community? Can app make certain editing choices

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-26 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Mateusz, I think we have a chance of success this time because unlike other rulesets that are stored in the specific project's GIT repos, this project is * wiki based and centralized, just like the tag documentation, and accessible to a much wider community. In the last week, we had 18 users

Re: [Talk-us] More-complex wiki pages are spitting up Lua errors

2018-09-24 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Yep, that's probably because Tom has merged the settings change :) Thanks for reporting it! On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 1:06 PM OSM Volunteer stevea < stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote: > Well, I'm no longer seeing the Lua errors I saw, so "caches cleared" (all > the way down) and the problem seems

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-23 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 6:34 PM Christoph Hormann wrote: > > The content stored in Wikibase is editable by wiki users using a > > regular wiki account, same as with other wiki pages. > > This i have no doubts about - but this is not the question. The > question is who is de facto in control of

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-23 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 14:58 Christoph Hormann wrote: > > For clarification: The main purpose of the OSM wiki is to allow mappers > to document tags they use and allow them to coordinate and communicate > about this use of tags with other mappers. Agree If you have some data > collecting

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-23 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 2:36 PM Richard wrote: > > Key:bridge:movable:https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q104 > > Tag:bridge:movable=bascule: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q888 > > how do I get at other language's versions, and how do I get easily at the > original source

Re: [Talk-us] More-complex wiki pages are spitting up Lua errors

2018-09-21 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I think the Lua crashing is related to this discussion: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Extension_talk:Scribunto/Lua_error:_Internal_error:_The_interpreter_has_terminated_with_signal_%2224%22 . > You set $wgScribuntoEngineConf['luastandalone']['cpuLimit'] too low. Either raise it or unset

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-20 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Everyone, please ignore the "don't edit or translate the label" restriction. There is now a dedicated ID P16 property. We can change label to be more useful to the new editors, e.g. "name in English" instead of "name:en" Thanks! On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 18:01 Shu Higashi wrote: > Hi Yuri,

[OSM-talk] OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Osmaritans, as of today, OSM Wiki can store structured tag metadata similar to Wikidata. In every possible language, cross-linked, with images, validation rules, or anything else the community decides to store there. See examples: Key:bridge:movable:

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

2018-08-09 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I'm a big fan of plus codes, and even have a pending implementation of it in the Elasticsearch (as an aggregation hashing function). I doubt there are any legal restrictions on using this - the code is licensed under Apache 2, and Google states "Plus codes are free. There are no licensing fees or

Re: [OSM-talk] Lua modules are here: Improving OSM wiki templates

2018-07-29 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
> It generates an Overpass Query showing all the objects related to the > Wikipedia entry via wikidata tags in the OSM data. > > Polyglot > > Op zo 29 jul. 2018 om 15:01 schreef Yuri Astrakhan < > yuriastrak...@gmail.com>: > >> Hi everyone. Thanks to Tom Hughes, we now ha

Re: [OSM-talk] Lua modules are here: Improving OSM wiki templates

2018-07-29 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > Hi everyone. Thanks to Tom Hughes, we now have Scribunto extension set up > on OSM wiki, which allows Lua language in addition to the very slow and > unreadable wiki template language. > > Documentation: > * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/E

[OSM-talk] Lua modules are here: Improving OSM wiki templates

2018-07-29 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Hi everyone. Thanks to Tom Hughes, we now have Scribunto extension set up on OSM wiki, which allows Lua language in addition to the very slow and unreadable wiki template language. Documentation: * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual *

Re: [OSM-talk] WMF: "Interactive maps, now in your language"

2018-06-29 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
* The BIG part of the announcement is that OSM data is now being used to create truly multilingual map with a very large exposure. I hope some people here are not saying that such project should not have been built? If you want to help, see at the end. * I do not think names should be simply

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

2018-05-10 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Marc, Oleksiy, thanks for your insights! And Marc, I agree that it should always be up to the local community to decide. The only thing I ask is to please keep in mind that the "default_language" is simply a reflection of what local OSM editors have already used for the name tag in the majority

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

2018-05-09 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
t; to compare with on those objects. > > Jo > > 2018-05-10 1:10 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >> > On 10. May 2018, at 00:47, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >&g

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

2018-05-09 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
languages are not very helpful for the truly multilingual maps. On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 2:10 AM Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 10. May 2018, at 00:47, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com> > wrote: > &

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

2018-05-09 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
countries the regions are not so clearly > defined. > > Jo > > 2018-05-09 2:37 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com>: > >> Polyglot, thanks! I just ran the list of names for Belgium - >> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/yEj (takes a few minutes and 20MB download

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

2018-05-09 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
@gmail.com> wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > On 9. May 2018, at 02:37, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com> wrote: > > or to two languages that match "Bruxelles - Brussel" ("fr - nl" ?). > > > > The hyphen/dash is no

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

2018-05-08 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
ench only and >> multi-lingual ones: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/yE5 (thx trigpoint & >> FredrikLindseth on IRC!) Do you want to change it, or should I? >> >> Also, there are still about 60 countries without a tag: >> http://tinyurl.com/y9382ewv >> >

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

2018-05-08 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Also, there are still about 60 countries without a tag: http://tinyurl.com/y9382ewv On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 10:59 PM Daniel Koć <daniel@koć.pl> wrote: > W dniu 08.05.2018 o 21:31, Yuri Astrakhan pisze: > > > This query shows a list of regions that have the new default_language > > t

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

2018-05-08 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
page at the bottom. P.S. same query, but with the last editing user included: http://tinyurl.com/yatfd9sr On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 12:02 AM Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, most countries now have a default_language [1] tag, specifying the > most likely language of th

[OSM-talk] Local language help

2018-05-07 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Hi, most countries now have a default_language [1] tag, specifying the most likely language of the "name" tag in that region. Here's a list of 60+ countries that have multiple official languages. If you have local knowledge, or can research it, could you add the proper default_language tag to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

2018-05-05 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
at kind of data is provided). > > 4. May 2018 10:14 by yuriastrak...@gmail.com: > > Btw, this is already possible - Wikipedia servers let you access both > images and raw vector tiles, so if someone wants to do the client part, it > shouldn't be too hard. > > On Fri, May 4, 2018, 1

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

2018-05-04 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
. On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 2:25 AM Janko Mihelić <jan...@gmail.com> wrote: > sub, 5. svi 2018. u 00:18 Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com> > napisao je: > >> >> Tag description: >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:default_language >> > > I

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

2018-05-04 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
wiki/Key:default_language P.S. Janko, please take a look at the single vs multiple languages per region in that wiki page. Does that make sense? On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 1:01 PM Janko Mihelić <jan...@gmail.com> wrote: > pon, 30. tra 2018. u 08:28 Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.c

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

2018-05-04 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Btw, this is already possible - Wikipedia servers let you access both images and raw vector tiles, so if someone wants to do the client part, it shouldn't be too hard. On Fri, May 4, 2018, 11:11 Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com> wrote: > In reality, it is not impossible, or even

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

2018-05-04 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
In reality, it is not impossible, or even that hard. If the vector tile is sent to the client, than the client can decide which language to render based on user preference. The exact same code (it's all in JavaScript) can be used to decide the labeling. Caching would only improve, because instead

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

2018-05-04 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
slightly slower generation and rendering, and bigger cache fragmentation. See various Kartotherian repos in github for more information. -- Yuri / @nyuriks On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:14 AM Daniel Koć <daniel@koć.pl> wrote: > W dniu 04.05.2018 o 02:30, Yuri Astrakhan pisze: > > Daniel, t

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

2018-05-03 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Daniel, the only real difference between serving every available language and serving just one is cache fragmentation, and that's may be different in your case. The vector tiles get pre-generated the same way, and they simply contain all languages instead of one. Disk space wise, the difference

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

2018-05-03 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I cannot speak for WMF, only about the actual Kartotherian stack behind it, and the way they are currently using it: On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 12:52 AM Daniel Koć wrote: > > 1. The localized maps lack fallback rules (I'm speaking of Polish > language at least). I would ask for

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

2018-05-03 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
cters in Japanese will be transliterated as Chinese Pinyin. I couldn't find a better way to distinguish Chinese Hanzi and Japanese Kanji. So if you would like to romanize Japanese Kanji, please consider kuroshiro." [1]: https://www.npmjs.com/package/transliteration#caveats On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 12:

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

2018-05-03 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Christoph, I agree that this would be an awesome improvement, yet I think there is a problem to implement it. Most languages have their own transliteration rules, so transliterating "name" tag without the knowledge of its language will produce a lot of incorrect names. I have posted in another

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

2018-04-30 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Multiple semicolon-separated values do not solve the main problem - figuring out the language of the "name" tag. If a region uses one value in the name tag, "default_language" should be set to just one language. If the whole region uses "xx - yy" convention in the name tag, default_language could

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

2018-04-24 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Adding a language=xx to each feature seems excessive, and will be forgotten most of the time, unless there is some extensive tool support for it. Adding it to admin regions seems like a better approach. Some utility could then calculate a clean translation map, using admin_level number as the

Re: [OSM-talk] 3D models in OSM?! 3D Model Repository has just launched!

2018-03-21 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Pedro, thanks for all your efforts! I heard that Wikipedia just launched its own 3D file storage, functioning in the similar fashion as their other files (community curated images/sounds/videos, proper license and attribution, and file version control). Do you see your site being in a direct

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM tagging validation lib

2017-12-24 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
for the OSM community. How do we get to such a consensus about tagging > patterns, that we can actually say "this is correct" and "this is wrong > enough to warrant correction" without upsetting a large number of people? > As soon as a discussion is about right vs wro

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM tagging validation lib

2017-12-24 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Declarative rules are usually not very good. Every tool must understand every type of rule, and must be updated when new rule types are introduced. Plus declarative grammar is either too limiting, or eventually starts looking like a scripting language itself, and we end up building an execution

[OSM-talk] Permanent IDs RFC (was part_of:wikidata)

2017-11-29 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Permanent IDs has been brought up several times, especially as part of the Wikidata ID discussion. I started a wiki page to outline the requirements and goals, but it might be incomplete, feel free to add / correct / comment. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Permanent_ID Once we reach the

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #382 2017-11-07-2017-11-13

2017-11-22 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Christoph, unregenerate implies I should apologize for doing a wrong thing. In the discussion, the only thing I **actually did** was I wrote a new tool and posted about it. Was I wrong to write a tool? Was I wrong to discuss it with the community? I patiently sifted through all the negative

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #382 2017-11-07-2017-11-13

2017-11-22 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Richard, in both languages, the main issue is the same. It says that the discussion has restarted with the negative commentary, but skips the main point - that the tool has been substantially reworked based on community feedback. It's like saying some people got rich without mentioning the bank

Re: [OSM-talk] Directed Editing Policy

2017-11-22 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Thanks Frederik. This is a good explanation. Can some of it perhaps be added to the document to make it clearer? On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 6:22 AM, Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> wrote: > Hi, > > On 22.11.2017 04:16, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > Pierre, I suspect the num

Re: [OSM-talk] Directed Editing Policy

2017-11-21 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
ets would facilitate the follow-up. > > Actually, not all instances of the Tasking Manager add an hashtag to > document the host and project no. For QA tools, specific projects / > missions are not documented either. > > > Pierre > > > Le mardi 21 novembre 2017 21:21:55 HNE

Re: [OSM-talk] Directed Editing Policy

2017-11-21 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
While this might not have been the intention, the > b) directed by a third party exactly what and how to contribute to OpenStreetMap can be applied to any "challenge style" sites such as the MapRoulette or Osmose. I think there should either be a clarification about this, an additional

Re: [OSM-talk] What would make MapRoulette better?

2017-11-20 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Martijn, I think this is very similar to what Osmose does in its DB view (and I think several other tools do in the map view) - they offer a choice of a "world view" (unfiltered) or a "region views" - where users may choose what region they are interested in (e.g. a dropdown). I think it would be

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #382 2017-11-07-2017-11-13

2017-11-18 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
erio John > > On 18 November 2017 at 13:26, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> John, not trusting a brand name and being unreasonable about new project >> are two different things. One is a healthy caution. The other is a >> baseless witch hunt

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #382 2017-11-07-2017-11-13

2017-11-18 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
r tools. > > How does that break "unwritten rules"? > > It relates to trust and politics with a small p. Your brand name is > untrusted. > > Cheerio John > > On 18 November 2017 at 13:11, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #382 2017-11-07-2017-11-13

2017-11-18 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
James, this is not about hurt feelings. This is about misrepresentation. Last week I re-wrote Sophox tool based on the community feedback. The new tool uses the same approaches as existing tools. Yet, somehow I violated some unwritten rule by creating a new tool? This is bogus. There were many

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #382 2017-11-07-2017-11-13

2017-11-17 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Whataboutism at its best? John Oliver: https://youtu.be/1ZAPwfrtAFY?t=6m2s On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 17/11/2017 22:52, Clifford Snow wrote: > > > Frederik, > I think we are all thankful for the newsletter. And believe they are free > to

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #382 2017-11-07-2017-11-13

2017-11-17 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
One important aspect was missing in the announcement. The tool's new name is a tiny part of a much bigger set of community suggested and requested changes. Fully ignoring functionality changes that many community members suggested is biased. Mechanical edit claim was also never justified --

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-11-14 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
edia as I know > there's a whole world of people there doing their own thing. It doesn't > have to go both ways. > > In short, I have looked at your tool and don't think it is currently > beneficial to the OSM ecosystem. The discussions ongoing here suggest it > won't ever be. >

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-11-13 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
@mmd, I have noticed that the proposed fixes were not marked with vote=1. I fixed them. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Quick_fixes#Proposed_fixes I'm not sure if vote=1 is needed for the multiple-choice challenges. They were originally copied from the officially deprecated tags, so

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-11-13 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Michael Reichert <osm...@michreichert.de> wrote: > Hi Yuri, > > Am 13.11.2017 um 22:58 schrieb Yuri Astrakhan: > > Andy, I can only assume you agree with the rest of my argument. As for > this > > case -- this is not a mechanical

Re: [OSM-talk] Dropping out, was: New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-11-13 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
[3] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2017-October/079172.html [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sophox On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> wrote: > Hi, > > On 11/13/2017 10:58 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > Andy, I can only assume you agr

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Quick-Fix service

2017-11-13 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
While it is easy to throw tons of accusations and be less civil, I will try maintain my level of decency. I have forwarded you a snippet of one of the emails I received (without the sender name). Also, you are welcome to organize some independent person you trust in NYC to stop by and examine it

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