[Talk-in] osm workshop in Trivandrum - help needed
hi, I had addressed a couple of mails on this subject. I think it is time to be more elaborate, and we need help from this group to take things further. Icfoss is an autonomous institution set up by the government of Kerala to promote open source (http://icfoss.in/). I happened to meet the director at a conference and was surprised to find that he knew what he was talking about. He was raving about all the good work a friend of his was doing for google maps. I introduced him to osm, and he was enthusiastic about the concept and felt a workshop should be conducted in tvm to build up the community and to get the government interested. After some discussion he has offered to fund the venue, lunch and snacks and infrastructure for a one day workshop and he has duly booked a venue for the 18th. However he has 2 constraints: 1 he wanted the sanction of the OSM community to conduct the workshop - since we do not have a formal community here, I contacted Mikel who was good enough to send a formal letter of support in his capacity as a member of the OSMF council which solved that problems. 2. he needs one or more local volunteers to liase with icfoss and do the ground work like making sure the venue is ready, registering the delegates etc. Here I am stuck as all the people I knew in Kerala are now in Bangalore. The volunteers need not be OSM people - people interested in learning about it are enough. There are some more points I need to make, but I want this mail to go out today - I will follow up tomorrow. Opportunities like this do not come up very often - it would be good for the community if we can make best use of it. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Data loss due to license change
On Sun, 2012-07-22 at 10:49 +0530, Arun Ganesh wrote: I think the osm redaction bot has finished cleaning up India and removed all non-odbl data. and thankfully all my stuff remains. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction progress
On Sun, 2012-07-15 at 11:46 +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: The redaction bot has started on the 'Western Europe' area. Because continents are annoyingly not shaped like rectangles, this is not good - I think the OSMF should do something about this. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Icons
On Wed, 2012-06-27 at 18:06 -0400, john whelan wrote: Could someone or a group come up with a more standard set of icons please? lets appoint a committee ;-) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-in] osm workshop in trivandrum
hi, an organisation that does a lot of IT work with the Kerala government is interested in conducting a half or one day workshop on OSM. The focus is: The specific focus that we would be interested in, is mapping for social and e-governance applications where a copy of the data can be maintained locally. intended audience: The audience will be largely mapping enthusiasts, students and some government officials They will fund it, but would prefer the resource persons to be local - anyone from Kerala can take this up? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [OSM-talk] TomTom is thumping us
On Tue, 2012-05-29 at 20:37 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: http://www.tomtom.com/en_gb/licensing/newsletter/201205/didyouknow/ I think the most interesting part of this is actually direct criticism from our commercial competitors. You know the Gandhi thing: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Sounds like we're well and truly at stage 2. looks more like stage 3 to me -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] handheld gps unit
On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 15:31 +0900, Andrew Errington wrote: an NGO is constructing toilets over an area. They need to map the locations and state of construction/repair/beneficiaries etc. They will need several devices as 50,000 toilets are being done - so around 200 USD. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves What about a camera with built-in GPS? That way you can make photo documentation of the progress at each site with a timestamp and geostamp[1]. Many cameras also record audio, so you could have timestamped, geostamped audio too although I'm not sure how independent/integrated the GPS in such a camera is. as far as I know, the accuracy of camera and cellphone GPS units are not enough - we are talking of toilets in row houses in villages, a few meters apart. (I may be wrong here). -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] handheld gps unit
On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 16:52 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: What do you want to use it for? What's your budget? What features do you need? Any special requirements? an NGO is constructing toilets over an area. They need to map the locations and state of construction/repair/beneficiaries etc. They will need several devices as 50,000 toilets are being done - so around 200 USD. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] handheld gps unit
hi, what are recommendations for a handheld reasonably priced gps unit? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about Incentives to contribute to OSM
On Wed, 2012-03-14 at 14:03 -0500, Martijn van Exel wrote: Furthermore, I just took the survey and, even if the quality of the survey leaves something to be desired, no personal information is collected at all (which I define as any information that can be related to me as an individual). quality sucks bigtime - which means it is obviously framed by a legitimate university type ;-) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM software
On Fri, 2012-03-09 at 16:37 +0100, Stephane Goldstein wrote: Is there a way to do the same with the OSM software ? yes - set up your own tile server and download the extract for the country you want. Hundreds of people do it. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Map Co-ordinates for towns, etc in UK
On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 09:20 +, Lester Caine wrote: kenneth gonsalves wrote: Can some one advise me of the official policy for locating the centre of towns in the UK, i.e. the spot on the map for a point representing the town and used as the Zero Point for measuring distances to other towns. in India it is usually the head post office. In the UK nowadays you will be lucky to find a post office at all ... ;) our post offices have very little to do with letters nowadays. Although most of them have vanished, localities are still centered on where the post office was. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Map Co-ordinates for towns, etc in UK
On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 11:14 +1000, mick wrote: Can some one advise me of the official policy for locating the centre of towns in the UK, i.e. the spot on the map for a point representing the town and used as the Zero Point for measuring distances to other towns. in India it is usually the head post office. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Contact And Remap Campaign
On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 23:34 -0500, Mike N wrote: On 2/6/2012 11:02 PM, Toby Murray wrote: Just yesterday I managed to track down a phone number for the biggest remaining non-decider in Kansas. I gave him a call, had a pleasant conversation and then he logged in and agreed a few minutes after we hung up. I often wonder - do these guys never read their Email? Did he give any clue why he hadn't already logged in and made a decision? in the vast jungle that is OSM-talk it is small wonder that a few columns of ants get overlooked regardless of how industrious they are. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data
On Mon, 2012-01-16 at 13:03 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: In my perception legal-talk is not meant to be a ghetto but it is an attempt to sort things thematically to keep talk readable (i.e. reduce traffic) also for those that don't want to discuss continuously on legal issues. Please respect that these people exist (numerously), and discuss license issues in legal talk. I can confirm that at least one of us exists. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Harming the community
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 12:00 +0700, Jeffrey Johnson wrote: How do I +1 a mailing list post?? you just did -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 17:00 +0530, Parveen Arora wrote: But someone on this thread told me that OSM is a loose community so I wondered why its like that, Can't we come as a strong community or organisation. not possible given the size of the community and the wildly varying viewpoints of the members. Remember OSM has a very low threshold for membership - and the lower the threshold, the looser the community. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 17:26 +0530, Parveen Arora wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:08 PM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: not possible given the size of the community and the wildly varying viewpoints of the members. Remember OSM has a very low threshold for membership - and the lower the threshold, the looser the community. Then what should we do? or what can be the possibilities according to you. we can live with it - according to me it is a good situation as this is how open source works. (and works well). -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 16:21 +0530, Parveen Arora wrote: Hi Parveen, no there is no offical App as OSM is just a loose community, Is it really? I think there are number of developers so I wonder how it is a loose application. loose community -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Naming dispute over Jerusalem - OSM failure
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 08:38 +0200, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: What a childish approach of both sides… what exactly is childish in the approach of this side? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] satellite Imagery missing
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 02:15 -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: 90% of my mapping is in such areas - gps, josm and repeated visits to the area are needed. Camera and laser range finder are a plus. JOSM is absolutely not needed for GPS surveying - you can use it if you like, but I do pretty much all my mapping in Potlatch with GPS traces rather than Bing. no disclosure ;-) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] satellite Imagery missing
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 14:18 +0100, John Sturdy wrote: it is dead easy - just point it at the target and click - it gives the distance. So do you get the distance from two known points, and triangulate by distance, or do you use distance and bearing from one known point, or something else? we get the approximate dimensions and location with gps - the range finder gives the exact dimensions. And I'd be worried about being brought to the attention of the authorities for being seen pointing lasers at infrastructural things such as electricity pylons --- do people tend to complain about having their buildings etc visibly surveyed? (I'm a newbie at all this, my only experience of potential problems has been that I could see that people were wondering what I was doing when I was walking around writing down house numbers.) Or does a hi-vis jacket make it all alright ;-) ? this is country specific. Most people tend to think a range finder is a camera or binoculars. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] satellite Imagery missing
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 15:35 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/9/21 kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com: it is dead easy - just point it at the target and click - it gives the distance. At over 150 metres, a tripod helps, unless you have very steady hands. It is useful for getting the exact dimensions of buildings or golf greens. These can then be plotted in josm using the measurement tool. AFAIK the JOSM measurement tool does not provide very exact measurements but is a bearable approximation. Not sure if this matters to you, but I guess you shouldn't rely too much on the displayed values. See for instance: my gps is accurate to 1-5 yards depending on the conditions - the range finder is accurate to a yard. So I can live with the approximation of JOSM. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] satellite Imagery missing
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 10:49 +0200, Erik Johansson wrote: 90% of my mapping is in such areas - gps, josm and repeated visits to the area are needed. Camera and laser range finder are a plus. Do you actually use an laser range finder, isn't that a bit hard to use? I would really like to hear how you use it, if not an extensive exposé then a shor one. :-) it is dead easy - just point it at the target and click - it gives the distance. At over 150 metres, a tripod helps, unless you have very steady hands. It is useful for getting the exact dimensions of buildings or golf greens. These can then be plotted in josm using the measurement tool. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] satellite Imagery missing
On Thu, 2011-09-15 at 05:05 -0700, Douglas Musaazi wrote: We were able to use the walking papers and the g.p.s unit that enabled us to have better accuracy, using potlatch without the satellite imagery was like working while blind folded and we managed to make the edits. We never used Merkaator or JOSM as it was a one day event, and it was an introductory to the 20 participants, so the quickest tools had to be used. I would like to know if there is any other means, or when the satellite image will be available to OSM for such areas. 90% of my mapping is in such areas - gps, josm and repeated visits to the area are needed. Camera and laser range finder are a plus. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] The thread Roundabouts and routing
On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 07:47 -0400, Anthony wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Is it just me or does the thread Roundabouts and routing (http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-September/060082.html) reflect a dysfunctional community? Is it just me or is this message not a typical troll ? I think it's just you. But do you care to explain? you are wrong - it is also me. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] The thread Roundabouts and routing
On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 08:01 -0400, Anthony wrote: Kenneth, can you elaborate on your post? What in my post is typical of a troll? everything -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 13:57 +0800, maning sambale wrote: In our patch in OSM, we have very few mappers. Sometimes, we do some initial road stubbing and then organize a trip to verify what was initially traced. During those trips we try as much as we can to talk to locals on how they can improve what was started. better to have no data than to have wrong data. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 18:34 +0800, maning sambale wrote: better to have no data than to have wrong data. Incomplete data is not necessarily wrong data. That's why we have tags for that (i.e. highway=road) AFAIK, we only have a few rules here: 1. Don't copy from other (possibly copyrighted) maps. 2. Respect the work of others. 3. Have fun! So please don't add more rules that overcomplicate things. I thought there was one more: Do not map what you have not seen. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 08:55 -0500, David Fawcett wrote: Come on, almost all of us have been to Haiti! Good thing that we were able to leverage that following the earthquake... every rule has exceptions. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 16:14 +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: If it is good to have such remote mapping or bad depends on how the people on the ground react. Adding a whole street including geometry is imho a lot more rewarding then just entering street names. Agreed. I seem to remember comments on this list previously saying that in at least some areas in India the Bing imagery is a bit out of date. I've no idea if that is the case for Jalandhar, but if I was going to map there remotely I'd probably try and ping a message to any local mappers via a local talk list first (which, of course, may already have happened). remote mapping by people who have not seen the ground is a big nuisance and should be discouraged. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] libprotobuf version = 2.3.0 needed
On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 12:00 +0530, bharath vissapragada wrote: The version you get in synaptic is 2.2 by default for 10.04 . Download it from http://code.google.com/p/protobuf/downloads/list and install the latest version. I did that - now scons crashes with this error (works perfectly in Fedora): gisuser@Serendipity1:~/osm/osrm$ scons scons: Reading SConscript files ... Using default C++ Compiler: g++ Checking for C header file omp.h... (cached) yes Checking for C++ library xml2... (cached) yes Checking for C++ library z... (cached) yes Checking for C++ header file stxxl.h... (cached) yes Checking for C++ header file google/sparse_hash_map... (cached) yes Checking for C++ header file boost/asio.hpp... (cached) yes Checking for C++ library bz2... (cached) yes Checking for C++ library boost_thread... (cached) yes Checking for C++ header file boost/thread.hpp... (cached) yes Checking for C++ library boost_system... (cached) yes Checking for C++ header file boost/bind.hpp... (cached) yes Checking for C++ header file boost/thread.hpp... (cached) yes Checking for C++ header file boost/noncopyable.hpp... (cached) yes Checking for C++ header file boost/shared_ptr.hpp... (cached) yes Checking for C++ library stxxl... (cached) yes Checking for C++ library protobuf... (cached) yes Checking for Boost version = 1.37... (cached) yes Checking for Protobuffer version = 2.3.0... (cached) yes scons: done reading SConscript files. scons: Building targets ... protoc -I=DataStructures/pbf-proto --cpp_out=DataStructures/pbf-proto DataStructures/pbf-proto/fileformat.proto protoc -I=DataStructures/pbf-proto --cpp_out=DataStructures/pbf-proto DataStructures/pbf-proto/osmformat.proto g++ -o routed -fopenmp -lboost_system DataStructures/pbf-proto/fileformat.pb.o DataStructures/pbf-proto/osmformat.pb.o routed.o -lxml2 -lz -lbz2 -lboost_thread -lboost_system -lstxxl -lprotobuf routed.o: In function `T.9675': routed.cpp:(.text+0x199d): undefined reference to `boost::system::system_category()' routed.cpp:(.text+0x19b4): undefined reference to `boost::system::system_category()' routed.cpp:(.text+0x19d9): undefined reference to `boost::system::system_category()' routed.cpp:(.text+0x19e8): undefined reference to `boost::system::system_category()' routed.cpp:(.text+0x1a20): undefined reference to `boost::system::system_category()' routed.o:routed.cpp:(.text+0x1a55): more undefined references to `boost::system::system_category()' follow routed.o: In function `global constructors keyed to _Z5y2latd': routed.cpp:(.text+0x5d3e): undefined reference to `boost::system::generic_category()' routed.cpp:(.text+0x5d4a): undefined reference to `boost::system::generic_category()' routed.cpp:(.text+0x5d56): undefined reference to `boost::system::system_category()' routed.cpp:(.text+0x5d62): undefined reference to `boost::system::system_category()' routed.o: In function `int boost::asio::detail::socket_ops::error_wrapperint(int, boost::system::error_code)': routed.cpp:(.text._ZN5boost4asio6detail10socket_ops13error_wrapperIiEET_S4_RNS_6system10error_codeE[int boost::asio::detail::socket_ops::error_wrapperint(int, boost::system::error_code)]+0xa): undefined reference to `boost::system::system_category()' routed.o: In function `boost::asio::detail::object_poolboost::asio::detail::epoll_reactor::descriptor_state::destroy_list(boost::asio::detail::epoll_reactor::descriptor_state*)': routed.cpp:(.text._ZN5boost4asio6detail11object_poolINS1_13epoll_reactor16descriptor_stateEE12destroy_listEPS4_[boost::asio::detail::object_poolboost::asio::detail::epoll_reactor::descriptor_state::destroy_list(boost::asio::detail::epoll_reactor::descriptor_state*)]+0x69): undefined reference to `boost::system::system_category()' routed.o: In function `boost::asio::detail::reactive_socket_send_op_baseboost::asio::detail::consuming_buffersboost::asio::const_buffer, std::vectorboost::asio::const_buffer, std::allocatorboost::asio::const_buffer ::do_perform(boost::asio::detail::reactor_op*)': routed.cpp:(.text._ZN5boost4asio6detail28reactive_socket_send_op_baseINS1_17consuming_buffersINS0_12const_bufferESt6vectorIS4_SaIS4_E10do_performEPNS1_10reactor_opE[boost::asio::detail::reactive_socket_send_op_baseboost::asio::detail::consuming_buffersboost::asio::const_buffer, std::vectorboost::asio::const_buffer, std::allocatorboost::asio::const_buffer ::do_perform(boost::asio::detail::reactor_op*)]+0x143): undefined reference to `boost::system::system_category()' routed.o:routed.cpp:(.text._ZN5boost4asio6detail28reactive_socket_send_op_baseINS1_17consuming_buffersINS0_12const_bufferESt6vectorIS4_SaIS4_E10do_performEPNS1_10reactor_opE[boost::asio::detail::reactive_socket_send_op_baseboost::asio::detail::consuming_buffersboost::asio::const_buffer, std::vectorboost::asio::const_buffer, std::allocatorboost::asio::const_buffer ::do_perform(boost::asio::detail::reactor_op*)]+0x15a): more undefined references to `boost::system::system_category()' follow collect2:
[OSM-talk] osm2pgsql - some tables missing
hi, on importing data with osm2pgsql, there is no error, but some tables are missing: gis=# \dt List of relations Schema |Name| Type | Owner ++---+- public | geometry_columns | table | gisuser public | planet_osm_line| table | gisuser public | planet_osm_point | table | gisuser public | planet_osm_polygon | table | gisuser public | planet_osm_roads | table | gisuser public | spatial_ref_sys| table | gisuser (6 rows) any idea as to what step I have missed? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] osm2pgsql - some tables missing
hi, on importing data with osm2pgsql, there is no error, but some tables are missing: gis=# \dt List of relations Schema |Name| Type | Owner ++---+- public | geometry_columns | table | gisuser public | planet_osm_line| table | gisuser public | planet_osm_point | table | gisuser public | planet_osm_polygon | table | gisuser public | planet_osm_roads | table | gisuser public | spatial_ref_sys| table | gisuser (6 rows) any idea as to what step I have missed? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm2pgsql - some tables missing
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 10:00 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: On 08/10/2011 09:54 AM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: on importing data with osm2pgsql, there is no error, but some tables are missing: This is the normal set of tables that you get when importing without --slim. It is fully sufficient for rendering. Only if you want to do incremental updates will you need the _nodes, _ways, and _rels tables. thanks - got my tables. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] libprotobuf version = 2.3.0 needed
hi, am trying to install osrm on Ubuntu 10.04, but it barfs: libprotobuf version = 2.3.0 needed I have installed libprotobuf5 and libprotobuf-dev. Has anyone come across this problem? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] all POIs within a specific radius
On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 07:34 +0100, Graham Jones wrote: These questions might get a better response on the Dev list as they are quite technical. but it is an end user question - I would not like to waste the time of the devs. I am not very good at postgis so I may be wrong, but you might be comparing two identical points (way and way). The postgis manual seems to do select. ... AS.. for each side of the comparison. You could check this by using the coordinates of bangalore explicitly rather than getting them from the database. actually as Frederik pointed out the error was that the measurement has to be in degrees and not metres as I had assumed. It works like a charm. I quite fancy starting a tips and tricks wiki page for this sort of thing if you would like to ass the solution when you find it. Here it is (I am quite proud of the fact that I could do it with my rudimentary knowledge of sql - it only took 4 days to write it): select p.name, f.lat*.001 as lat, f.lon*.001 as lon from planet_osm_point p, planet_osm_nodes f where (p.place != 'city') and ST_DWithin(p.way, (select way from planet_osm_point where name like '%Mysuru%' limit 1),.15) and p.osm_id = f.id order by p.name; This selects all places within .15 degrees of Mysuru. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] all POIs within a specific radius
On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 10:40 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: select name from planet_osm_point where place = 'locality' and ST_DWithin(way,(select way from planet_osm_point where name like 'Bangalore%' limit 1),300) order by name; Is it possible that your database is not in Mercator projection but in latitude/longitude (-l option on osm2pgsql)? In that case you would be selecting everything within 300 degrees of Bangalore, and you'd have to try a distance of about .0003 for something roughly like 300 metres. as usual you are right - thanks. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] all POIs within a specific radius
On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 14:26 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: On 08/02/11 14:13, kenneth gonsalves wrote: actually I am looking for an sql query. That would typically be done using the st_dwithin function. That function internally makes a bounding box comparison, thereby taking advantage of any geographic indexes you might have, and only then checks the actual distance. I manufactured this SQL, but it selects *every* locality on the map: select name from planet_osm_point where place = 'locality' and ST_DWithin(way,(select way from planet_osm_point where name like 'Bangalore%' limit 1),300) order by name; any pointers? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] syntax to query osrm routed
hi where can I get this? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Moving Map on Netbook?
On Fri, 2011-08-05 at 10:01 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: On 08/05/11 04:29, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: Please keep in mind that development of tangoGPS stopped a while ago, and forked into FoxtrotGPS (which works pretty nicely as I recall) It seems the tango thing does what I need but I'll check out the other one nonetheless. After years of OSM, I'm slightly averse to anything with foxtrot in its name though. what's with foxtrot? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] all POIs within a specific radius
hi, how would I get all POIs within a specific radius (in metres) from a specific point by querying the osm db? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] all POIs within a specific radius
On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 07:49 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 8/2/2011 7:05 AM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: hi, how would I get all POIs within a specific radius (in metres) from a specific point by querying the osm db? If a square rather than a circle is fine, try XAPI: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Xapi . actually I am looking for an sql query. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] all POIs within a specific radius
On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 14:05 +0200, Paul Hartmann wrote: On 08/02/2011 01:05 PM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: hi, how would I get all POIs within a specific radius (in metres) from a specific point by querying the osm db? Any kind of POI or a certain list of tags? Have you tried the Overpass API? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API#Around looks good - the exact query I want is to get all the localities within a radius of 30 kms from a particular point. I will explore this. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] routing and distance calculation
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 01:21 +0530, bharath vissapragada wrote: If cpp is fine with you .. I would suggest osrm ( http://project-osrm.org/ ). Its an excellent tool for route computation and can return various standard formats (KML,JSON,GPX ). It also provides a web service for querying and you can parse the json u get after querying from your python code. thanks - it's good. Btw, how does one get json? I only see kml. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] querying the postgis db
hi, I know that this sounds a bit of a dumb question: I have installed osm data in a postgis db, and would like to get a list of all localities within a particular city - can anyone give a hint on the sql required for this? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] lat and lon in the db
hi, on querying the db, I get the lat and lon of a particular place as: lat 145921624 lon 864071554 but the map shows the correct figures: lat 12.9954832 lon 77.6208684 can anyone explain this? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] lat and lon in the db
hi, on querying the db, I get the lat and lon of a particular place as: lat 145921624 lon 864071554 but the map shows the correct figures: lat 12.9954832 lon 77.6208684 can anyone explain this? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] lat and lon in the db
On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 11:04 +0100, Jorge Gustavo wrote:
As Tom already said, you probably used osm2pgsql and those
coordinates
are in the SRID EPSG:900913. You can/should confirm it by quering the
geometry_columns table. osm2pgsql fills the table automatically.
that's right
...
In PostGIS, you can change coordinates doing st_transform.
Example:
Select astext(ST_transform(st_geometryfromtext('POINT(864071554
145921624)',900913),4326));
I would prefer to reload in ESPG 4326, but on doing:
./osm2pgsql -S ./default.style -E EPSG:4326 ./bang.osm
I get this error:
Projection code failed to initialise
any clues?
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Re: [OSM-talk] lat and lon in the db
On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 13:11 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: On 07/27/11 13:04, kenneth gonsalves wrote: I would prefer to reload in ESPG 4326, but on doing: ./osm2pgsql -S ./default.style -E EPSG:4326 ./bang.osm I get this error: Projection code failed to initialise Use -l (ell) instead of -E EPSG:4326. same error - maybe I need to install something. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] lat and lon in the db
On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 16:58 +0530, kenneth gonsalves wrote: Use -l (ell) instead of -E EPSG:4326. same error - maybe I need to install something. done - yum install proj-epsg. Thanks everyone. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names
On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 13:51 +0100, Steve Doerr wrote: On 27/07/2011 11:01, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Pronunciation in English only ever serves to mislead. [...] every native English speaker would pronunce St in that context as 'saint'. Actually, St and saint are pronounced rather differently (sn̩t and seɪnt, respectively). a round at snandrews? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] querying the postgis db
hi, I know that this sounds a bit of a dumb question: I have installed osm data in a postgis db, and would like to get a list of all localities within a particular city - can anyone give a hint on the sql required for this? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] querying the postgis db
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 10:20 +0400, Alexandr Zeinalov wrote: I have installed osm data in a postgis db, and would like to get a list of all localities within a particular city - can anyone give a hint on the sql required for this? Something like: SELECT a.osm_id,a.name,ST_X(a.way),ST_Y(a.way) FROM planet_osm_point a,planet_osm_polygon b WHERE a.place='locality' AND b.osm_id='id of boundary of particular city' AND a.way b.way cool - thanks, that should get me started. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] error running osm2pgsql ERROR: prepared statement get_node_list does not exist
hi, am trying to import osm data with osm2pgsql and am getting this error: ERROR: prepared statement get_node_list does not exist any pointers? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] error running osm2pgsql ERROR: prepared statement get_node_list does not exist
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 12:53 +0530, kenneth gonsalves wrote: am trying to import osm data with osm2pgsql and am getting this error: ERROR: prepared statement get_node_list does not exist any pointers? solved PostgreSQL intarray contrib module not installed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] routing and distance calculation
hi, I need a command line tool to get the distance between two points by the shortest route - preferably in python. Recommendations? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] routing and distance calculation
hi, I need a command line tool to get the distance between two points by the shortest route - preferably in python. Recommendations? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] routing and distance calculation
On Mon, 2011-07-25 at 10:28 +0200, yve...@gmail.com wrote: Pyroute tried it - but get this error: [lawgon@xlquest pyroute]$ python gui.py [poi_base.poiGroup instance at 0x952cfcc, poi_base.poiGroup instance at 0x952cf6c] Loading POIs from /home/lawgon/pyroute/Setup/poi.txt Error while parsing file No GPSD detected, position information will not be available No such tracklog data/sketches/latest.gpx No such tracklog data/track.gpx Loading OSM data from data/routing.osm No such data file data/routing.osm Downloading tah_9_254_169 Traceback (most recent call last): File gui.py, line 336, in do_expose_event return self._expose_cairo(event, cr) File gui.py, line 332, in _expose_cairo self.draw(cr) File gui.py, line 257, in draw self.modules['tiles'].draw(cr) File /home/lawgon/pyroute/tiles.py, line 156, in draw self.loadImage(x,y,z,layer) File /home/lawgon/pyroute/tiles.py, line 107, in loadImage downloadTile(x,y,z,layer,filename) File /home/lawgon/pyroute/tiles.py, line 41, in downloadTile urllib.urlretrieve(url, filename) File /usr/lib/python2.7/urllib.py, line 91, in urlretrieve return _urlopener.retrieve(url, filename, reporthook, data) File /usr/lib/python2.7/urllib.py, line 237, in retrieve fp = self.open(url, data) File /usr/lib/python2.7/urllib.py, line 205, in open return getattr(self, name)(url) File /usr/lib/python2.7/urllib.py, line 342, in open_http h.endheaders(data) File /usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py, line 937, in endheaders self._send_output(message_body) File /usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py, line 797, in _send_output self.send(msg) File /usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py, line 759, in send self.connect() File /usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py, line 740, in connect self.timeout, self.source_address) File /usr/lib/python2.7/socket.py, line 553, in create_connection for res in getaddrinfo(host, port, 0, SOCK_STREAM): IOError: [Errno socket error] [Errno -2] Name or service not known Handling last few checks before we close ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap 7th Birthday Party
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 15:45 +0530, Parveen Arora wrote: Why birthdays of OSM are not being celebrated on same day, Can't we declare one particular day as OSM's Birthday? that will create a huge thread of hundreds of messages debating this mission critical point. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hitting reset on talk-au
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 08:33 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Seriously Richard, I hope you burn in hell for the destruction youve caused and continue to cause to the OSM project. I must congratulate David on his decision. Let us all remember that this is a hobby project (for most of us at least), an interesting and usually productive pastime which should make the participating individual happy. If any of you, at any time, feel that they seriously wish someone else in the project to burn in hell; if you can't sleep because someone was wrong on the mailing list; if you're thinking of ways to take revenge on the guy who reverted your wiki edit - if any of that happens, then the project has clearly failed to deliver the fun it promised, and it is time to move on. Life is just too short! as always, very sensible. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Blue color in part of MAP by MAPNIK
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 02:15 -0700, Saphy Mo wrote: I produced a MAP by Mapnik in Boarder of France and Germany directly from Database FRANCE of france.osm.bz2. But part of maps are colored blue, as you see in attachment. Only new boarder but inside the country it is blue. is this at all resolutions? Someone just pointed out the same thing in India. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License graph
On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 22:14 +1000, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: Perhaps if you explain just how your support was bought this is not acceptable on an open mailing list - or on *any* mailing list. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License graph
On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 12:51 -0700, SteveC wrote: You know I don't have a private jet, right? But if I did, Fred could pilot it. even if he said no? -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 20:02 +1000, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:40:45 +0200 Fabio Alessandro Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: In all the countries I know of ticking a checkbox is comparable to sign a printed contract, so I thin is pointless to have a written contract or a CopyPast thing ;) add Australia to your list of places where ticking a checkbox is NOT comparable to signing a printed contract. Quotation from an Australian Copyright Council Information sheet G102v01 Elements of a contract The following elements must be present before you have a contract (a legally binding agreement): • an offer; • acceptance; • benefit to all parties (“consideration”). Sometimes, a party does not want to accept the terms initially offered and makes a “counter-offer”, which may then be further negotiated. A contract is not binding until an offer is accepted without further conditions. Terms and conditions are generally set at the time of acceptance and cannot later be changed or revoked without all parties agreeing to the new terms. where does this say that ticking a checkbox is not an acceptance of an offer? And there is nothing unique about this - derived from English common law and the same terms are there in *all* jurisdictions that derive from common law. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Geofabrik Download Server Update
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 11:17 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Before, the .pbf and .bz2 and .shp files were all created on a machine in the Geofabrik office and uploaded to the download server for distribution, and with the office only having 10 MBit upstream connectivity, there was a limit to how much could be transferred every night. I'm now slowly changing to a setup where the .bz2 and perhaps eventually even the .shp files will be created directly on the download server, giving me more room to create additional extracts (think US states) and upload them in the time we've saved. congratulations, thanks and may you live long -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 10:10 +, Ed Avis wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon at thenilgiris.com writes: well I was very active, but there is nothing left to do except when I go to a new area, Out of interest where do you live? I see you are based in India but where? I know that Germany, for example, has 'nothing left to do' in many places but I didn't know India was also reaching the same level. India is not (many of the major cities are pretty well done, but we are slightly bigger than Germany) - but there is a lot of confusion as how to do detailed mapping. There are so many shops and houses cheek-to-jowl with each other - and the shops tags are not enough - we need a lot of special cases relevant to India only. I had a server for India specific data, that is no longer available to me and am pausing until I can get another set up. As to where I am: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=11.414703lon=76.692275zoom=18layers=M you will note that there is no bing or yahoo. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)
On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 18:51 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/4/11 Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com: OSM is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If OSM is to survive at all it will be among bearded hippies too behind the times to have discovered Waze. OSM continues to decay. Nothing short of a cockeyed miracle could save OSM from its fate at this point in time. For all practical purposes, OSM is dead. While I guess this was meant to be satirical there is indeed a problem with active contributors not growing any more since 17/08/2009 well I was very active, but there is nothing left to do except when I go to a new area, and most of my travel is to the same old places where some other guy has already done the work. I find even new places are no longer a challenge - I am not the first, and I HATE that. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 00:10 -0400, Peter Budny wrote: well I was very active, but there is nothing left to do Really? Nothing left to do? I ran some quick checks on a local copy of about 4 US states and found that 74% of it HAD NEVER BEEN EDITED after the initial Tiger import. there *are* countries other than the US. I happen to be in one of them. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 17:25 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: But in JOSM you have to explicitly download data, manipulate it, then explicitly upload it again. (And, if my memory serves, you get slapped on the wrist for trying to download too much.) yes - precisely why I use josm -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)
On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 18:24 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: It looks like a fantastically powerful tool, and I wish all those who use it the very best. But I'm probably one of those few people who actually moved from JOSM *to* Potlatch. it *is* a fantastic tool - with the connectivity I usually have potlatch is too slow, and the possibilities of messing up are much higher. (my 2 paise) -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 19:30 +, Steve Doerr wrote: Nothing official, but it would be very unusual for anybody to call something that wasn't surfaced a road. Unless they were expatriates in a third-world country? please refrain from such remarks - I suppose you think we map by snake charming while riding on elephant back? -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-in] Bing imagery
On Sat, 2010-12-25 at 18:56 +0530, Arun Ganesh wrote: To use the imagery, correct the offset by aligning it to the downloaded gps traces. In josm, right click the imagery layer in the layers panel and select the offset function. I do not see an imagery layer -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Bing imagery
On Mon, 2010-12-27 at 12:32 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Sat, 2010-12-25 at 18:56 +0530, Arun Ganesh wrote: To use the imagery, correct the offset by aligning it to the downloaded gps traces. In josm, right click the imagery layer in the layers panel and select the offset function. I do not see an imagery layer got it now - it is in josm-latest. Fixed the offset, checked against my traces, book marked it and now all ready to trace! -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Bing imagery
On Mon, 2010-12-27 at 13:00 +0530, Arun Ganesh wrote: got it now - it is in josm-latest. Fixed the offset, checked against my traces, book marked it and now all ready to trace! the new josm is really great with the integrated imagery support. makes it so much more faster to work on. different parts of coimbatore have different offsets in bing. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Bing imagery
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 10:37 +0530, Tecoholic Maps wrote: Hello OSMers, All of you would have been aware of the fact that microsoft has allowed us to use its aerial imagery for tracing. But there is no data about the high resolution coverage in India. I think no one has taken any active step to list the coverage areas or that it has not been updated at the Bing/Coverage wiki page. Any pointers about that information is welcome. kollam is covered - but I do not know about the accuracy. For most other places, bing seems to have purchased their imagery from the same shop as yahoo. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Bing imagery
On Sat, 2010-12-25 at 18:25 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: I checked it against tracks made by my metre accurate GPS instrument. chennai seems accurate - but it is the same map as yahoo - but has one more zoom level. Mangalore is b0rked, but not as bad as Coimbatore. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Bing imagery
On Sat, 2010-12-25 at 18:59 +0530, Arun Ganesh wrote: On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.orgwrote: On Sat, 2010-12-25 at 18:25 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: I checked it against tracks made by my metre accurate GPS instrument. Kenneth, how did you measure the gps accuracy? by repeatedly taking tracks, also by checking out tracks with known accuracy. I once put two instruments on my car, one on the left and one on the right - and got two parallel tracks approximately the width of the car in distance from each other. I also checked it against the measurements of the 7lakh rupee instrument that the forest department uses. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports
On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 09:53 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Complete lack of discussion is reason enough for a revert in my opinion. I'd suggest contacting the importer and asking him where/how he has heard the community about his plans and whether he intends to fix the problems. and also what is his source -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-in] how much does one charge for surveying
hi, a person wants me to survey his estate - 20 acres. He has no objection to it being put up on OSM. It will be a detailed survey with all roads, types of crops, buildings, trees etc. Any idea how much I can charge. (I would do it free, but he does not know that) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] how much does one charge for surveying
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 16:45 +0530, Shajeer M wrote: I guess you can ask for a free holiday every year at his estate!. Guess you will be using your one meter resolution GPS. Normally the regular surveyors (chain survey) have a fixed charge per acre, done normally before you buy the property. I think around 1000Rs. ah good idea - will check with the surveyers -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Mumbai Map Cleanup
On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 10:10 +0530, Shekhar Krishnan wrote: Is anyone based in Mumbai interested in meeting up some evening over the next few weeks to discuss strategies for developing OpenStreetMap in Mumbai? Please contact me and we can fix a date and venue. why not discuss it on this list? As far as I know, the yahoo imagery is accurate. And the skew in the AND data is not uniform, so the rectifying has to be done manually. Which means people with knowledge of their areas can do this using the imagery. Of course the imagery is a few years old, so new features would need to use GPS for positioning. I have done some bits in Juhu, Versova and Bandra. I frankly do not think there is any need for a meeting for this. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 23:34 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: Excellent. Finally a rational argument against tracing in certain situations. We could even begin to formulate policy: Tracing imagery in areas where there are active local mappers using ground survey methods can kill enthusiasm and stunt the final quality of the map. Consider asking on the appropriate mailing list before doing it, particularly in densely populated areas. OTOH, I have to say that almost everywhere is going to end up mapped at the first level (what can be easily seen from the air), and it will be an interesting challenge to motivate people to fill in those secondary and tertiary layers of detail. actually I find myself doing it the other way around - first map on the ground and then use the air view (if any) to fill in things. [...] To be honest, this conflict never even occurred to me before. I don't know whether it's particularly relevant to me though - Australia has an enormous land/mapper ratio. And I can't imagine getting any grief from some poor sod who was just desperate to get out on his bike and locally survey yet another bloody new outer Melbourne housing development. maybe in Australia yahoo updates it's imagery more often than once in 2-3 years. So you would see a marsh and map it as such - and maybe the said poor local sod may not even get on his bike to go there as who wants to map a marsh? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 22:01 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: You should not map from the Bing imagery area you know nothing more about. Why do people such make bold, absolutist statements like this with no policy to back them up? There is no policy that says anything of the sort. The above sentence is one author's opinion. It would be a very good thing for the OSM project if we moved on from the primitive state of simply contradicting each other all the time, and worked together to build policies that had consensus support. you should not map from any imagery area you know nothing more about. Period. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 12:10 +0100, Raphaël Pinson wrote: you should not map from any imagery area you know nothing more about. Period. So, just to make that clear: when aerial imagery of, say, Pakistan, is made available to help mapping, I should not trace anything unless I've actually visited the region to be mapped? yes - I am from India and have enough trouble with enthusiastic people mapping aquaducts as highways (for example) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 22:37 +1100, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:35:31 +0530 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: you should not map from any imagery area you know nothing more about. Period. So how about Haiti? Colombia? exceptional circumstances sometimes need to break rules. But in normal course of events, it is not polite to irritate local mappers. Say in most of India, satellite imagery can be upto 3 years old - and in the past three years there has been a huge construction boom -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 12:53 +, Joseph Reeves wrote: local mappers and even if I did trace a load of crap into the database, anyone else can come along and, providing they've got a better data source than I, fix it. please keep off India -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 03:16 +0100, Ulf Lamping wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=13.03175lon=77.56565zoom=17layers=M before the conference I did a rough sketch from satellite imagery. On arrival at the spot I found that the ground reality was totally at variance with the satellite imagery - and I got lost! Seems the imagery got outdated. it did not 'get' outdated - imagery for most of India is 2-3 years old. If someone had perfectly mapped that area a few years ago and it got completely outdated in the meantime - you would get into the exact same problem. Taking your opinion further would mean we shouldn't map anything at all because the map data might get outdated. how do you come to that conclusion? if you are local, you will map the changes - if you are using a satellite, you only *see* the changes once in 2-3 years What your example really tells us is that you shouldn't repair existing OSM data from (probably outdated) imagery without local knowledge. repair or map what I object to is mapping a place one has no intention of visiting Fine, seems you don't like the wiki principle ... never heard of the wiki principle - if this implies that since everyone has edit writes, anyone can write rubbish - then I don't like it. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-in] bing imagery
On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 19:32 +0530, Subhodip Biswas wrote: So if I use the Bing Image service and contribute a map to OSM and at the same time I use that map for a Fleet management system of mine. WIill I be at stake? osm license allows you to use osm data for the fleet management. You cant use M$ interface for that. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
[OSM-talk] bing error in josm
hi, I have downloaded the josm-tested and josm-latest. In bing wms I get this error: 'bing:bing' for this WMS layer does neither end in a '' nor with a '?'. If I choose 'fetch images' I get an exception. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-in] [Fwd: Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM]
here is what frederik has to say. His endorsement is good enough for me Forwarded Message From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org To: Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org Cc: t...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 08:52:53 +0100 Kenneth, On 12/02/2010 04:22 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 13:40 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: On 12/01/10 13:14, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: this is not an OSM site - where is the OSM viewpoint on this? Whose viewpoint would you like? your endorsement would be good enough for me I'll start tracing some houses on the weekend. I don't foresee any problems. Bye Frederik -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 12:26 +0100, Sebastian Klein wrote: thanks to fast development by Ian Dees, Bing imagery can now be used in JOSM. and it is legal to use it? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 13:07 +0100, Sebastian Klein wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 12:26 +0100, Sebastian Klein wrote: thanks to fast development by Ian Dees, Bing imagery can now be used in JOSM. and it is legal to use it? Yes, see http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details. Richard Fairhurst, seems to be in closer contact with the people from MS and there may be minor revisions, but these are basically the terms we have. this is not an OSM site - where is the OSM viewpoint on this? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 14:26 +0200, Nic Roets wrote: this is not an OSM site - where is the OSM viewpoint on this? It was posted by Steve Coast, Chairman of OSMF and a Microsoft employee. So the chances of Microsoft suing us for taking that info at face value is zero. well the statement of an employee of a company cannot bind the company - I am not taking risks unless I get an official statement with reasons from OSMF. And anyone who trusts microsoft ... -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 13:40 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: On 12/01/10 13:14, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: this is not an OSM site - where is the OSM viewpoint on this? Whose viewpoint would you like? your endorsement would be good enough for me -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 08:52 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Kenneth, On 12/02/2010 04:22 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 13:40 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: On 12/01/10 13:14, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: this is not an OSM site - where is the OSM viewpoint on this? Whose viewpoint would you like? your endorsement would be good enough for me I'll start tracing some houses on the weekend. I don't foresee any problems. that is good enough for me -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-in] bing imagery
hi, as you know the founder of OSM SteveC has joined microsoft in their mapping division and there are claims that microsoft is giving their imagery free for OSM. Microsoft's license is here: http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details frankly I cannot make head or tail of it - and given microsoft's record in matters like this am quite dubious about the whole thing. Comments? -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [OSM-talk] BingMaps arrive
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 22:05 +0100, Pierre-Alain Dorange wrote: Ca y est c'est parti BingMap va débarquer dans OSM : http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details பிரியவில்லை -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 12:06 -0500, Richard Weait wrote: http://opengeodata.org/openstreetmap-founder-steve-coast-joins-bing http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima I am a little confused - who is SteveC? or are there two of them? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 13:53 +1100, David Murn wrote: On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 08:13 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 12:06 -0500, Richard Weait wrote: http://opengeodata.org/openstreetmap-founder-steve-coast-joins-bing http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima I am a little confused - who is SteveC? or are there two of them? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Steve then who is the older bearded guy? Or is he a fake? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
