Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Oliver (skobbler)
He shouldn't draw then into the database, as this mixes OSM data and his own data. Why not just use a layer on top of the OSM data? One of the big advantages of OSM is that you the drawing tools. An option would be to create a blank database on top of the OSM data by using the OSM tools.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Oliver (skobbler) wrote: He shouldn't draw then into the database, as this mixes OSM data and his own data. Why not just use a layer on top of the OSM data? One of the big advantages of OSM is that you the drawing tools. An option would be to create a blank database on top of the OSM

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote: Hello everybody, I am still concerned that some business users cannot make use of OpenStreetMap data because of the Share-Alike-rule as they don't want or cannot share proprietary data. Umm, if you want it so

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Rob Myers
On 06/24/2010 09:34 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Oliver (skobbler) Really, if people (businesses, charities, individuals or whoever) have data they wish to keep private, they can still use OSM data internally. If they want to Publicly Convey this Database, any

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Andy Allan gravityst...@... writes: No. That would be avoiding the whole point of the share-alike license. If they have geographic data that we don't have, and they mix it with OSM data, then the whole point is that we end up with access to their geographic data. It's called share-alike!

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Andy Allan writes: If they have geographic data that we don't have, and they mix it with OSM data, then the whole point is that we end up with access to their geographic data. [...] You are obviously reading section 4.5 in a different way that I do. [...] For me

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Rob Myers
On 06/24/2010 10:07 AM, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: For me it looks like business users can feel safe with their data if they do not make derivative databases, for example by enhancing their own data by taking tags from OSM database. If enhancing means incorporating the data into a single

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Richard Fairhurst rich...@... writes: Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Andy Allan writes: If they have geographic data that we don't have, and they mix it with OSM data, then the whole point is that we end up with access to their geographic data. [...] You are obviously reading section 4.5

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Oliver (skobbler)
What we're currently seeing is import mania, poeple trying to stuff every possible bit of information into OSM because that's the easiest way for them to use it in conjunction with OSM data. There is too much geodata in the world for this to be sustainable - OSM must stick to things that mappers

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Users must just take care that they do not edit cable lines according to what they see on the OSM map, otherwise all of the cable network data will be considered to be derived from OSM data and thus fall under odbl. Very very broadly yes, but actually at that point

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 24 June 2010 09:31, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Oliver (skobbler) wrote: He shouldn't draw then into the database, as this mixes OSM data and his own data. Why not just use a layer on top of the OSM data? One of the big advantages of OSM is that you the drawing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes: I think that OSM as a whole - and this is not a legal issue - needs to improve interoperability. What we're currently seeing is import mania, poeple trying to stuff every possible bit of information into OSM because that's the easiest way for them to use

[OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-23 Thread Oliver (skobbler)
Hello everybody, I am still concerned that some business users cannot make use of OpenStreetMap data because of the Share-Alike-rule as they don't want or cannot share proprietary data. Personally, I am a big fan of the Share-Alike-rule but I think there should be some exceptions. I have the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-23 Thread Manuel Reimer
Oliver (skobbler) wrote: Let's assume that a business user has a database of non-publicly accessible objects (e.g. a subsurface cable network for demonstration purposes). If the user installs its own instance of an OpenStreetMap server and draws the non-publicly accessible subsurface cable