Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
Agree - thanks for pointing this out. We'll work on making the TCs easier to understand. -- Nick On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: On 09/06/10 19:47, Nick Black wrote: Sorry you've hit problems with our TCs - its certainly not our intention to block your use. So long as you respect the terms of CC-by-SA and don't exceed the limits on the use of our Vector Stream Server, posted here: http://support.cloudmade.com/answers/specialist-tools - there will be no problems. Hi Nick, Thanks - that's good to know. Although you may want to consider revisiting the way you present your Ts and Cs, considering some of the more detailed comments I made on them elsewhere in this thread, to try and help people who _do_ care about the legality of their use to understand what your requirements are without having to digest six pagest of legalese. :-) Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
On 05/06/10 10:09, Gervase Markham wrote: My first effort involved an SVG export of the Mapnik image from the main website. This is pretty good; the only problem is that the roads are unnecessarily narrow and so the road names are small and hard to read. In the end, I went with this. I would have been willing to spare 30 minutes to get a tool working to improve this, but I've already spent a lot more than that. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions :-) Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
On 07/06/10 20:32, Colin Marquardt wrote: FWIW, these icons here are awesome: http://www.sjjb.co.uk/mapicons/ Those _are_ awesome. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
On 07/06/10 11:49, Gervase Markham wrote: It was me who said that, actually. Here are a few comments, mostly in relation to the Mapnik style: Oops. That is, in comparison to the Mapnik style. The comments are, of course, about Osmarender. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
Thanks Colin, I'll be able to enhance the map renderings, when i take the screenview of HikeBikeMap.de / Cyclemap / mapnik / (anymap) and just manually plop in those icons overtop of where they currently render (but just at a different zoom). Awesome, i'll also be able to create a custom style set for just the icons that are needed for my tourist maps :) I'd take the biggest version, and when you shrink it, you cant really tell the quality difference. And it's not that hard to combine the icon symbols to make different ones. Sweet! I was waiting to find this for some time now :-) On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Colin Marquardt cmarq...@googlemail.com wrote: 2010/6/7 Gary68 g...@gary68.de: regarding mapgen: - the icon issues could be solved quickly by the user (by drawing or using new ones) FWIW, these icons here are awesome: http://www.sjjb.co.uk/mapicons/ (they are the successor/evolution of the svg-twotone ones that OSM's Mapnik style uses, CC-0, authored by Brian Quinion). Cheers Colin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
On 8 June 2010 05:32, Colin Marquardt cmarq...@googlemail.com wrote: FWIW, these icons here are awesome: http://www.sjjb.co.uk/mapicons/ (they are the successor/evolution of the svg-twotone ones that OSM's Mapnik style uses, CC-0, authored by Brian Quinion). Does anyone know of any suitably licensed icons that could depict an office? I'd like to file a request for a generic office icon to be rendered for any office=* tags... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: On 05/06/10 10:09, Gervase Markham wrote: My first effort involved an SVG export of the Mapnik image from the main website. This is pretty good; the only problem is that the roads are unnecessarily narrow and so the road names are small and hard to read. In the end, I went with this. I would have been willing to spare 30 minutes to get a tool working to improve this, but I've already spent a lot more than that. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions :-) Gerv Gerv, The Mapnik project currently leverages Cairo to output this SVG. There are a variety of limitations to this SVG output that make post-processing difficult, as you've noticed. We have preliminary plans to write a custom SVG rendering backend for Mapnik in the future that will address things such as embedded fonts, selectable layers, etc. But things such as the road widths and font sizes are always going to be controlled by the styles used to render. User configurability of styles sent to Mapnik (by non-programmers) is something that a current Google Summer of Code project is looking into. See: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2010/AcceptedProjects/EasyPrintableMaps Dane ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
Hi Gerv, Sorry you've hit problems with our TCs - its certainly not our intention to block your use. So long as you respect the terms of CC-by-SA and don't exceed the limits on the use of our Vector Stream Server, posted here: http://support.cloudmade.com/answers/specialist-tools - there will be no problems. -- Nick On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: Hi, I'd like to render a map of about a square mile or so of the town of Bromley, in Kent, for the information sheet for my wedding in August (yay!). http://osm.org/go/0EEBWURG I want to make the map, then remove a few bits which I don't need and add stuff to it like bigger labels on some important POIs like the church and the nearest station. I want it to look professional. This is just the sort of thing OSM should be good for, or so I hope :-) My first effort involved an SVG export of the Mapnik image from the main website. This is pretty good; the only problem is that the roads are unnecessarily narrow and so the road names are small and hard to read. I'd like pretty much that map, except with wider roads and bigger text. It would take an age to change it all manually in the SVG. What are my options for a custom render? - Mapnik: requires an incredible amount of setup, according to the wiki page. - Osmarender: It's ugly. Sorry, but it is. - mapgen.pl: Same. - Kosmos: I'm on Linux, and it only really runs on Windows. - Cobra: development seems dead. - Cartagen: It does road labels square on, which I don't like. - Cloudmade: initially, this seemed really promising. They have a variety of styles, and I probably could make one with wider roads, but the Terms of Service are so long and complex, and say don't do anything with this data that isn't your own personal use about three times in different ways, so I assume I can't use it. Any ideas? Is there an online service to which one can submit a Mapnik style sheet and get back a rendering of a small area? Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
On 09/06/10 19:47, Nick Black wrote: Sorry you've hit problems with our TCs - its certainly not our intention to block your use. So long as you respect the terms of CC-by-SA and don't exceed the limits on the use of our Vector Stream Server, posted here: http://support.cloudmade.com/answers/specialist-tools - there will be no problems. Hi Nick, Thanks - that's good to know. Although you may want to consider revisiting the way you present your Ts and Cs, considering some of the more detailed comments I made on them elsewhere in this thread, to try and help people who _do_ care about the legality of their use to understand what your requirements are without having to digest six pagest of legalese. :-) Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
On 06/06/10 17:46, Gary68 wrote: could you please be a little bit more precise what you don't like at osmarender and especially mapgen.pl? It was me who said that, actually. Here are a few comments, mostly in relation to the Mapnik style: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.40961lon=0.01101zoom=16layers=0B00FTF * Bus stop icons are big and ugly * In fact, many icons have too few colours * Lots of text rendering has letters overlapping themselves * Text in different categories overlaps (e.g. road names/train station names/POI names) * Font is probably 1-2 px too big to fit nicely in the roads * Road names overlap one way arrows * Road ends are square * Choice of POIs to render seems not as good as Mapnik Example of lots of overlapping text: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.40711lon=0.01398zoom=17layers=0B00FTF Hope that's a useful start... My suspicion is that some of this stuff, like text rendering, cannot be fully fixed with the technology choices inherent in the way OSMARender works. But I'd love to be proved wrong. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
hi, thanks for the information. i thought that some issues were related to the style file but of course some are technology inherent - and might need heavy thinking and development before being solved. at least speaking for mapgen.pl regarding mapgen: - the icon issues could be solved quickly by the user (by drawing or using new ones) - it is true that way and poi labels might overlap. but not inside a group. that is a street label will not overlap another street label - font sizes can easily be adapted - oneway arrows share the space with way labels ;-) - road ends are not square :-) - choice of pois is done in style sheet cheers gerhard gary68 On Mon, 2010-06-07 at 11:49 +0100, Gervase Markham wrote: On 06/06/10 17:46, Gary68 wrote: could you please be a little bit more precise what you don't like at osmarender and especially mapgen.pl? It was me who said that, actually. Here are a few comments, mostly in relation to the Mapnik style: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.40961lon=0.01101zoom=16layers=0B00FTF * Bus stop icons are big and ugly * In fact, many icons have too few colours * Lots of text rendering has letters overlapping themselves * Text in different categories overlaps (e.g. road names/train station names/POI names) * Font is probably 1-2 px too big to fit nicely in the roads * Road names overlap one way arrows * Road ends are square * Choice of POIs to render seems not as good as Mapnik Example of lots of overlapping text: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.40711lon=0.01398zoom=17layers=0B00FTF Hope that's a useful start... My suspicion is that some of this stuff, like text rendering, cannot be fully fixed with the technology choices inherent in the way OSMARender works. But I'd love to be proved wrong. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
Gerv, Gervase Markham wrote: I'd like to render a map of about a square mile or so of the town of Bromley, in Kent, for the information sheet for my wedding in August (yay!). I guess by now you have an idea of the kind of trouble you're signing up to by getting married ;-) If you * are geek enough to think that you can fiddle with a Mapnik stylesheet * have a bit of money to spare but * are not willing to go through the whole Mapnik setup yourself you could set up an Amazon cloud thingie (billed by the hour, thus affordable) and install the stuff from tiledrawer.com which gets you a ready-made tile server. Then play around with the style sheet until you like it (simply preview in web browser), and finally make a screenshot or even better, run an SVG export. This still requires hacking the XML but you get the PostGIS and Mapnik setup delivered right to your Amazon machine. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
2010/6/7 Gary68 g...@gary68.de: regarding mapgen: - the icon issues could be solved quickly by the user (by drawing or using new ones) FWIW, these icons here are awesome: http://www.sjjb.co.uk/mapicons/ (they are the successor/evolution of the svg-twotone ones that OSM's Mapnik style uses, CC-0, authored by Brian Quinion). Cheers Colin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
Yes, Maperitive would be ideal. Although the SVG export is not yet done, quality (ie large) bitmaps can be done with a scale command to smooth out pixellation. http://maperitive.net/ Join the Google group and we'll help you out! :-) You might also like to have a look at Maposmatic http://www.maposmatic.org/ as it has SVG export. Steve From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Igor Brejc Sent: 06 June 2010 06:06 To: Gervase Markham Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map - Maperitive: it runs on Linux too, and in a few weeks I hope I'll be able to finish the SVG export functionality. Regards, Igor On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: Hi, I'd like to render a map of about a square mile or so of the town of Bromley, in Kent, for the information sheet for my wedding in August (yay!). http://osm.org/go/0EEBWURG I want to make the map, then remove a few bits which I don't need and add stuff to it like bigger labels on some important POIs like the church and the nearest station. I want it to look professional. This is just the sort of thing OSM should be good for, or so I hope :-) My first effort involved an SVG export of the Mapnik image from the main website. This is pretty good; the only problem is that the roads are unnecessarily narrow and so the road names are small and hard to read. I'd like pretty much that map, except with wider roads and bigger text. It would take an age to change it all manually in the SVG. What are my options for a custom render? - Mapnik: requires an incredible amount of setup, according to the wiki page. - Osmarender: It's ugly. Sorry, but it is. - mapgen.pl: Same. - Kosmos: I'm on Linux, and it only really runs on Windows. - Cobra: development seems dead. - Cartagen: It does road labels square on, which I don't like. - Cloudmade: initially, this seemed really promising. They have a variety of styles, and I probably could make one with wider roads, but the Terms of Service are so long and complex, and say don't do anything with this data that isn't your own personal use about three times in different ways, so I assume I can't use it. Any ideas? Is there an online service to which one can submit a Mapnik style sheet and get back a rendering of a small area? Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- ___ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
On 06/06/10 13:52, Seventy 7 wrote: Yes, Maperitive would be ideal. Although the SVG export is not yet done, quality (ie large) bitmaps can be done with a scale command to smooth out pixellation. I got as far as getting it running (it needs System.Window.Forms; on Ubuntu, run sudo apt-get install libmono-winforms* ) and managed, through typing zoom-out and zoom-in about 50 times each, to get to the right area of the map, and downloaded the OSM data. But, not wanting to knock the hard work of you or others, even before I looked at making style changes, it seemed fairly clear that the text rendering wasn't nearly as nice as Mapnik's. I'm developing a whole new appreciation of how hard it is to write a map renderer which produces beautiful maps! You might also like to have a look at Maposmatic http://www.maposmatic.org/ as it has SVG export. That seems just to produce SVG of the default Mapnik style, which I can already get from http://www.openstreetmap.org/. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
You actually get a lot of control but it isn't user friendly out of the box. I've done a write up here on how to run it from a .bat file and you can edit the rules off line with this method. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Maperitive#How_to Cheerio John On 6 June 2010 10:44, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: On 06/06/10 13:52, Seventy 7 wrote: Yes, Maperitive would be ideal. Although the SVG export is not yet done, quality (ie large) bitmaps can be done with a scale command to smooth out pixellation. I got as far as getting it running (it needs System.Window.Forms; on Ubuntu, run sudo apt-get install libmono-winforms* ) and managed, through typing zoom-out and zoom-in about 50 times each, to get to the right area of the map, and downloaded the OSM data. But, not wanting to knock the hard work of you or others, even before I looked at making style changes, it seemed fairly clear that the text rendering wasn't nearly as nice as Mapnik's. I'm developing a whole new appreciation of how hard it is to write a map renderer which produces beautiful maps! You might also like to have a look at Maposmatic http://www.maposmatic.org/ as it has SVG export. That seems just to produce SVG of the default Mapnik style, which I can already get from http://www.openstreetmap.org/. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
dear ian, could you please be a little bit more precise what you don't like at osmarender and especially mapgen.pl? of course a lot of appearance is defined in the style file and the symbols being used - i didn't spend much time there! (i was challenged by the render engine). it (mapgen) is not aimed to be a fully blown renderer - however if it's possible i might implement some improvements. cheers gerhard gary68 On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 07:53 -0500, Ian Dees wrote: n Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: Hi, I'd like to render a map of about a square mile or so of the town of Bromley, in Kent, for the information sheet for my wedding in August (yay!). http://osm.org/go/0EEBWURG I want to make the map, then remove a few bits which I don't need and add stuff to it like bigger labels on some important POIs like the church and the nearest station. I want it to look professional. This is just the sort of thing OSM should be good for, or so I hope :-) My first effort involved an SVG export of the Mapnik image from the main website. This is pretty good; the only problem is that the roads are unnecessarily narrow and so the road names are small and hard to read. I'd like pretty much that map, except with wider roads and bigger text. It would take an age to change it all manually in the SVG. What are my options for a custom render? - Mapnik: requires an incredible amount of setup, according to the wiki page. - Osmarender: It's ugly. Sorry, but it is. - mapgen.pl: Same. - Kosmos: I'm on Linux, and it only really runs on Windows. - Cobra: development seems dead. - Cartagen: It does road labels square on, which I don't like. - Cloudmade: initially, this seemed really promising. They have a variety of styles, and I probably could make one with wider roads, but the Terms of Service are so long and complex, and say don't do anything with this data that isn't your own personal use about three times in different ways, so I assume I can't use it. Any ideas? Is there an online service to which one can submit a Mapnik style sheet and get back a rendering of a small area? I'm interested in this, too, because I want to draw OSM data in my car computer as a sort of GPS satnav/realtime editor. Dane (of Mapnik fame) suggested I use Mapnik with the OSM data plugin. That cuts out the majority of the setup time due to PostGIS install and import of OSM data. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
I got as far as getting it running and managed, through typing zoom-out and zoom-in about 50 times each, to get to the right area of the map, and downloaded the OSM data. I wouldn't know about Linux, but on Windows you just click on the map, drag it around and zoom in and out using the mousewheel. But, not wanting to knock the hard work of you or others, even before I looked at making style changes, it seemed fairly clear that the text rendering wasn't nearly as nice as Mapnik's. I wouldn't disagree but it depends what you mean. You are looking at the default rules, don't forget, and they sometimes lag behind the features available (like offsetting the text from an icon, for instance). I'm developing a whole new appreciation of how hard it is to write a map renderer which produces beautiful maps! Quite! :-) It's still very much a work in progress. I think if you were to join the Google group we could take the conversation offline. Igor has prioritised his development work in the past when people have had specific requirements - he's a helpful guy and wants to make it a success! Regards, Steve -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Gervase Markham Sent: 06 June 2010 15:45 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map On 06/06/10 13:52, Seventy 7 wrote: Yes, Maperitive would be ideal. Although the SVG export is not yet done, quality (ie large) bitmaps can be done with a scale command to smooth out pixellation. I got as far as getting it running (it needs System.Window.Forms; on Ubuntu, run sudo apt-get install libmono-winforms* ) and managed, through typing zoom-out and zoom-in about 50 times each, to get to the right area of the map, and downloaded the OSM data. But, not wanting to knock the hard work of you or others, even before I looked at making style changes, it seemed fairly clear that the text rendering wasn't nearly as nice as Mapnik's. I'm developing a whole new appreciation of how hard it is to write a map renderer which produces beautiful maps! You might also like to have a look at Maposmatic http://www.maposmatic.org/ as it has SVG export. That seems just to produce SVG of the default Mapnik style, which I can already get from http://www.openstreetmap.org/. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- ___ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
Hi everyone, FYI WikiTravel offers instructions on how to create a 'WikiTravel Style' Map (using OSM data) http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:How_to_create_a_map (the instructions require super-human powers, that i dont have yet, but others might be able to translate it to WikiMap for Dummies :-) And thank you Gervase for pointing out that you can export a SVG from OSM. And using Inkscape to play. You can also SaveAs an OpenOffice file, then play with it a bit more in OpenOffice Draw and add in map keys other map stuff. (changing colour of the polygons line types etc.) breaking apart grouping the areas etc. I use Marble Desktop as it has a nice Mapnik Legend that is easy to copy move it round the page (using 'PrtScr' button on the keyboard with Windows paint (or Equivenent Linux program) and paste it there and just select what you like paste it in the OpenOffice Draw document to work with. Hope that helps, Cheers, Sam On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Gary68 g...@gary68.de wrote: dear ian, could you please be a little bit more precise what you don't like at osmarender and especially mapgen.pl? of course a lot of appearance is defined in the style file and the symbols being used - i didn't spend much time there! (i was challenged by the render engine). it (mapgen) is not aimed to be a fully blown renderer - however if it's possible i might implement some improvements. cheers gerhard gary68 On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 07:53 -0500, Ian Dees wrote: n Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: Hi, I'd like to render a map of about a square mile or so of the town of Bromley, in Kent, for the information sheet for my wedding in August (yay!). http://osm.org/go/0EEBWURG I want to make the map, then remove a few bits which I don't need and add stuff to it like bigger labels on some important POIs like the church and the nearest station. I want it to look professional. This is just the sort of thing OSM should be good for, or so I hope :-) My first effort involved an SVG export of the Mapnik image from the main website. This is pretty good; the only problem is that the roads are unnecessarily narrow and so the road names are small and hard to read. I'd like pretty much that map, except with wider roads and bigger text. It would take an age to change it all manually in the SVG. What are my options for a custom render? - Mapnik: requires an incredible amount of setup, according to the wiki page. - Osmarender: It's ugly. Sorry, but it is. - mapgen.pl: Same. - Kosmos: I'm on Linux, and it only really runs on Windows. - Cobra: development seems dead. - Cartagen: It does road labels square on, which I don't like. - Cloudmade: initially, this seemed really promising. They have a variety of styles, and I probably could make one with wider roads, but the Terms of Service are so long and complex, and say don't do anything with this data that isn't your own personal use about three times in different ways, so I assume I can't use it. Any ideas? Is there an online service to which one can submit a Mapnik style sheet and get back a rendering of a small area? I'm interested in this, too, because I want to draw OSM data in my car computer as a sort of GPS satnav/realtime editor. Dane (of Mapnik fame) suggested I use Mapnik with the OSM data plugin. That cuts out the majority of the setup time due to PostGIS install and import of OSM data. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: But, not wanting to knock the hard work of you or others, even before I looked at making style changes, it seemed fairly clear that the text rendering wasn't nearly as nice as Mapnik's. I know about text rendering problems on Linux. This is a problem with Mono's implementation of .NET drawing engine. I'll try to improve things in the future. Anyway, once the SVG export is done, this will no longer be relevant, since you'll have a vector image which doesn't depend on any Mono or other stuff (and also you'll be able to fix any rendering problems manually). And don't let the command-line tex tbox confuse you, you can still use a mouse ;) Igor ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
Hi, I'd like to render a map of about a square mile or so of the town of Bromley, in Kent, for the information sheet for my wedding in August (yay!). http://osm.org/go/0EEBWURG I want to make the map, then remove a few bits which I don't need and add stuff to it like bigger labels on some important POIs like the church and the nearest station. I want it to look professional. This is just the sort of thing OSM should be good for, or so I hope :-) My first effort involved an SVG export of the Mapnik image from the main website. This is pretty good; the only problem is that the roads are unnecessarily narrow and so the road names are small and hard to read. I'd like pretty much that map, except with wider roads and bigger text. It would take an age to change it all manually in the SVG. What are my options for a custom render? - Mapnik: requires an incredible amount of setup, according to the wiki page. - Osmarender: It's ugly. Sorry, but it is. - mapgen.pl: Same. - Kosmos: I'm on Linux, and it only really runs on Windows. - Cobra: development seems dead. - Cartagen: It does road labels square on, which I don't like. - Cloudmade: initially, this seemed really promising. They have a variety of styles, and I probably could make one with wider roads, but the Terms of Service are so long and complex, and say don't do anything with this data that isn't your own personal use about three times in different ways, so I assume I can't use it. Any ideas? Is there an online service to which one can submit a Mapnik style sheet and get back a rendering of a small area? Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 10:09:15AM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote: - Cloudmade: initially, this seemed really promising. They have a variety of styles, and I probably could make one with wider roads, but the Terms of Service are so long and complex, and say don't do anything with this data that isn't your own personal use about three times in different ways, so I assume I can't use it. Cloudmade uses OSM like everybody else under CC-BY-SA. They can't change that license, they can't restrict what you can do with it. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
On 05/06/10 12:12, Jochen Topf wrote: Cloudmade uses OSM like everybody else under CC-BY-SA. They can't change that license, they can't restrict what you can do with it. But if I use their stylesheets and their site to generate maps, they can restrict what I can do with the resulting renderings, right? http://cloudmade.com/terms_conditions : CloudMade grants you permission to use the CloudMade Site as set forth in these Terms, provided that and for so long as (i) you use the CloudMade Site solely for your personal use; (ii) except as expressly permitted or indicated in these Terms, you do not download, reproduce, redistribute, retransmit, publish, resell, distribute, publicly display or otherwise exploit any portion of the CloudMade Site in any medium without CloudMade's prior written authorization;... (b) Any use by you of any of the CloudMade Materials and CloudMade Site other than for your personal use is strictly prohibited. You agree not to reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, trade, resell, distribute, or exploit any portion of the CloudMade Site, use of the CloudMade Site, access to the CloudMade Site, or Non-CloudMade Content obtained through the CloudMade Site, for any purpose other than for your personal use. Also, I object to any company which has terms which say you must agree to break the web: (k) You agree not to deep-link to the CloudMade Site and will promptly remove any links that CloudMade finds objectionable in its sole discretion. That page is utterly user-unfriendly. If it said at the top Stuff You Can Do and Stuff You Can't Do (Without Asking Us), and had a couple of short lists with common things, that would be much better. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
On 5 June 2010 22:10, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: On 05/06/10 12:12, Jochen Topf wrote: Cloudmade uses OSM like everybody else under CC-BY-SA. They can't change that license, they can't restrict what you can do with it. But if I use their stylesheets and their site to generate maps, they can restrict what I can do with the resulting renderings, right? Because the underlying data is CC-by-SA some people think this extends to map tiles as well, and that the copyright on the data exceeds any TC, I'm not a lawyer etc etc etc, nor am I expressing an opinion. It has also been stated that the ODBL clarifies this issue and the license is specific to the data only, and doesn't extend to derivative products from the data. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
Hi! But if I use their stylesheets and their site to generate maps, they can restrict what I can do with the resulting renderings, right? No. Its a derived work from OSM and as such falls under the CC-BY-SA and only the CC-BY-SA. They can restrict the use of their site, but not of the map. So they can say: Only Person X can download a map from our site. Thats ok. But once the map is downloaded they can't restrict what Person X is doing with the map. Its the whole point of the CC-BY-SA that it grants you those freedoms and they can never get taken away. Note that with the new license (ODbL) this would be ok. Maybe the lawayers writing this thought it would come sooner. :-) http://cloudmade.com/terms_conditions : CloudMade grants you permission to use the CloudMade Site as set forth in these Terms, provided that and for so long as (i) you use the CloudMade Site solely for your personal use; (ii) except as expressly permitted or indicated in these Terms, you do not download, reproduce, redistribute, retransmit, publish, resell, distribute, publicly display or otherwise exploit any portion of the CloudMade Site in any medium without CloudMade's prior written authorization;... Thats the site not the maps, as I see it. So thats ok. (b) Any use by you of any of the CloudMade Materials and CloudMade Site other than for your personal use is strictly prohibited. You agree not to reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, trade, resell, distribute, or exploit any portion of the CloudMade Site, use of the CloudMade Site, access to the CloudMade Site, or Non-CloudMade Content obtained through the CloudMade Site, for any purpose other than for your personal use. Everything in there is ok, because they can have any restrictions they like on their own content, but Non-CloudMade Content obtained through the CloudMade Site is not ok. Because that would include OSM stuff, which they clearly have on their site. If they try to put those restriction on it they are in violation of the license. Also, I object to any company which has terms which say you must agree to break the web: (k) You agree not to deep-link to the CloudMade Site and will promptly remove any links that CloudMade finds objectionable in its sole discretion. I don't like these kinds of terms either. They are probably unenforcable anyway. At least in Germany this clause is not valid. That page is utterly user-unfriendly. If it said at the top Stuff You Can Do and Stuff You Can't Do (Without Asking Us), and had a couple of short lists with common things, that would be much better. Terms Conditions tend to be that way... :-( Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
n Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: Hi, I'd like to render a map of about a square mile or so of the town of Bromley, in Kent, for the information sheet for my wedding in August (yay!). http://osm.org/go/0EEBWURG I want to make the map, then remove a few bits which I don't need and add stuff to it like bigger labels on some important POIs like the church and the nearest station. I want it to look professional. This is just the sort of thing OSM should be good for, or so I hope :-) My first effort involved an SVG export of the Mapnik image from the main website. This is pretty good; the only problem is that the roads are unnecessarily narrow and so the road names are small and hard to read. I'd like pretty much that map, except with wider roads and bigger text. It would take an age to change it all manually in the SVG. What are my options for a custom render? - Mapnik: requires an incredible amount of setup, according to the wiki page. - Osmarender: It's ugly. Sorry, but it is. - mapgen.pl: Same. - Kosmos: I'm on Linux, and it only really runs on Windows. - Cobra: development seems dead. - Cartagen: It does road labels square on, which I don't like. - Cloudmade: initially, this seemed really promising. They have a variety of styles, and I probably could make one with wider roads, but the Terms of Service are so long and complex, and say don't do anything with this data that isn't your own personal use about three times in different ways, so I assume I can't use it. Any ideas? Is there an online service to which one can submit a Mapnik style sheet and get back a rendering of a small area? I'm interested in this, too, because I want to draw OSM data in my car computer as a sort of GPS satnav/realtime editor. Dane (of Mapnik fame) suggested I use Mapnik with the OSM data plugin. That cuts out the majority of the setup time due to PostGIS install and import of OSM data. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
Hello! I'm interested in this, too, because I want to draw OSM data in my car computer as a sort of GPS satnav/realtime editor. See libosmscout.sf.net. It is designed as a library for offline map drawing (however not editing) in mobile devices. It is a renderer (and router) optimized for minimum data size and speed. Dane (of Mapnik fame) suggested I use Mapnik with the OSM data plugin. That cuts out the majority of the setup time due to PostGIS install and import of OSM data. Since libosmsocut uses cairo internally and cairo has SVG export this would should work with it, too. But I assume it needs some more time to get the required drawing quality to be usable for generating printable maps (but it is already worth a try :-)). -- Gruß... Tim ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
On 5-6-2010 14:53, Ian Dees wrote: Dane (of Mapnik fame) suggested I use Mapnik with the OSM data plugin. That cuts out the majority of the setup time due to PostGIS install and import of OSM data. However, the time you save by not having to set up PostGIS will be spent on creating your own stylesheet to use with the OSM input plugin. The standard osm.xml stylesheet is tuned for postgis and will not work with the OSM plugin. -- Lennard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
Gervase Markham wrote: It would take an age to change it all manually in the SVG. What are my options for a custom render? FWIW: Halcyon, the Flash rendering engine used in Potlatch 2, uses a simple CSS-like style language called MapCSS and would be an easy way right now to produce a bitmap for screen display. There is, however, as yet no vector export. PDF export is planned for the medium term. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Custom-rendering-of-a-small-map-tp5142386p5144171.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
- Maperitive: it runs on Linux too, and in a few weeks I hope I'll be able to finish the SVG export functionality. Regards, Igor On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.netwrote: Hi, I'd like to render a map of about a square mile or so of the town of Bromley, in Kent, for the information sheet for my wedding in August (yay!). http://osm.org/go/0EEBWURG I want to make the map, then remove a few bits which I don't need and add stuff to it like bigger labels on some important POIs like the church and the nearest station. I want it to look professional. This is just the sort of thing OSM should be good for, or so I hope :-) My first effort involved an SVG export of the Mapnik image from the main website. This is pretty good; the only problem is that the roads are unnecessarily narrow and so the road names are small and hard to read. I'd like pretty much that map, except with wider roads and bigger text. It would take an age to change it all manually in the SVG. What are my options for a custom render? - Mapnik: requires an incredible amount of setup, according to the wiki page. - Osmarender: It's ugly. Sorry, but it is. - mapgen.pl: Same. - Kosmos: I'm on Linux, and it only really runs on Windows. - Cobra: development seems dead. - Cartagen: It does road labels square on, which I don't like. - Cloudmade: initially, this seemed really promising. They have a variety of styles, and I probably could make one with wider roads, but the Terms of Service are so long and complex, and say don't do anything with this data that isn't your own personal use about three times in different ways, so I assume I can't use it. Any ideas? Is there an online service to which one can submit a Mapnik style sheet and get back a rendering of a small area? Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
