Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
May 27, 2020, 17:31 by etcomma...@gmail.com: >> I know I can use JOSM to copy data from OHM to OSM, but for a large >> geographic area I don't think that would not be practical. >> I would JOSM to download OHM and save it as an .osm file and process it further. I wanted to link OHM planet

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-27 Thread ET Commands
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 14:02:47 +1000 From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist? On 27/5/20 9:40 am, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: then why are there tags ? https://wiki.openstreetmap.or

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-26 Thread Warin
On 27/5/20 9:40 am, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: then why are there tags ? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Demolished_Railway and if the platform posts are still there ? Those tags are for things that are still there, if what remains is still identifiable as a

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
(1) sorry for an empty email send earlier (2) we have plenty of things that should not be added https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/mapper - single paid mapping group produced 800 000+ instances of an unwanted tag (they promised recently to fix it) (3) sometimes this tags are used to

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
May 27, 2020, 01:40 by talk@openstreetmap.org: > then why are there tags ? >   > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Demolished_Railway >   > and if the platform posts are still there ? >   > >> Tuesday, May 26, 2020 4:52 PM -05:00 from Jack Armstrong >> : >>   >> Thanks. I'll try that. >>  

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-26 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk
then why are there tags ?   https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Demolished_Railway   and if the platform posts are still there ?   >Tuesday, May 26, 2020 4:52 PM -05:00 from Jack Armstrong >: >  >Thanks. I'll try that. >  >>From: Warin < 61sundow...@gmail.com > >>  >>Advise them to enter the

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-26 Thread Jack Armstrong
Thanks. I'll try that.From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> Advise them to enter the historic railway into OHM ... or any historic object for that matter. This satisfies them that the object is mapped and frees OSM from it.

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-26 Thread Warin
On 25/5/20 2:37 pm, Jack Armstrong wrote: Greetings. Recently, a user mapped “razed” railways inside a construction zone (link below). These rails had been removed by our local mappers since they don’t exist anymore. Using the latest imagery (Maxar), you can see the rails have been

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk
i would delete what i did, expanding on someone else edit,  but what about something like a road   that was never built and was mapped 7 years ago, with an edit 1 year ago ?   >Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:39 PM -05:00 from Jack Armstrong >: >  >Greetings. >  >Recently, a user mapped “razed”

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread steve . barkto
On Mon, 25 May 2020 08:20:03 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Jack Armstrong wrote: >Why are railways given a special status? One possible view is that railways were an early OSM data consumer. In many cases, OSM became the best resource to know current and previous rail lines, and useful for cases to

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk
it was tagged ( proposed ), and asphalt.     >Monday, May 25, 2020 11:56 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via talk >: >  >I would say that anyone has right to remove such objects. >  >I am also unsure what would even be a correct tagging. never_existed:highway=*? >  >(sole reason for possible

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-25 18:52, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Even if "Nothing is "approved"" is true it does not mean that nothing is > forbidden. > Can you name one tag that is "forbidden"? Does that mean a standing > instruction to all mappers to remove it whenever it is found, or a license to > do a

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
I would say that anyone has right to remove such objects. I am also unsure what would even be a correct tagging. never_existed:highway=*? (sole reason for possible keeping would be danger of accidental mapping it, but given that it never existed it should not appear on any aerial images) May

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
May 25, 2020, 17:34 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: > > On 2020-05-25 17:08, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > > >> May 25, 2020, 16:48 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: >> >>> >>> On 2020-05-25 16:20, Jack Armstrong wrote: >>> >>> Why are railways given a special status? >>> Nobody gives

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-25 17:08, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > May 25, 2020, 16:48 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: > > On 2020-05-25 16:20, Jack Armstrong wrote: > > Why are railways given a special status? > > Nobody gives anything a status in OSM. Nothing is "approved" so nothing is > "forbidden"

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk
? should a highway never built in 2011, mapped, that goes through a farm still be there even if tagged    right, and if not who has a right to remove it ?   >Monday, May 25, 2020 10:10 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via talk >: >  >May 25, 2020, 16:48 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: >>On

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
May 25, 2020, 16:48 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: > > On 2020-05-25 16:20, Jack Armstrong wrote: > > >> Why are railways given a special status? >> > Nobody gives anything a status in OSM. Nothing is "approved" so nothing is > "forbidden" either. > It is not really accurate - there is plenty of

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-25 16:20, Jack Armstrong wrote: > Why are railways given a special status? Nobody gives anything a status in OSM. Nothing is "approved" so nothing is "forbidden" either. It is either used, or it is not used. It is not even "forbidden" to use tags that someone has declared

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Jack Armstrong
25 years ago, the Denver Stapleton Airport was closed and a new airport was built further from the city. Over 5,000 new homes were built, including schools, a library, a recreation center, over 150 shops, service businesses, restaurants and open spaces.The opinion of some users is that if nothing

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Jo
Here in Belgium many of these are repurposed as cycling highway infrastructure. I wouldn't mind having highway=cycleway, railway=razed on them. Polyglot On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:47 PM Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > May 25, 2020, 06:37 by

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
May 25, 2020, 06:37 by jacknst...@sprynet.com: > > Greetings. > > > > > > Recently, a user mapped “razed” railways inside a construction zone (link > below). These rails had been removed by our local mappers since they don’t > exist anymore. Using the latest imagery (Maxar), you can see the

[OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-24 Thread Jack Armstrong
Greetings.Recently, a user mapped “razed” railways inside a construction zone (link below). These rails had been removed by our local mappers since they don’t exist anymore. Using the latest imagery (Maxar), you can see the rails have been completely removed from “Project 70”, a $1.2 billion