Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
On 27/07/09 14:09, Simone Cortesi wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:54, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: Did you mean impo...@osmfoundation.org perhaps? Which I've just realised is not yet set up. Have now done so. Actually it is. I just can't read the control panel properly ;-) You lost me... 1. there is a list, a mailman list devodet to imports, the info URL is: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports 2. i see no evidence of an impo...@osmfoundation.org email alias You've been defeated by time... When the original email was sent the mailing list did not exist and the impo...@osmfoundation.org alias was the address for the working group. That is still the address for the WG but following a request at SOTM there is now a mailing lists for general public discussion of imports as well. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 15:16, Tom Hughest...@compton.nu wrote: That is still the address for the WG but following a request at SOTM there is now a mailing lists for general public discussion of imports as well. Who is in the working group? And what are they doing? I could not find any information about this -- -S ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
Hi, Simone Cortesi wrote: Who is in the working group? And what are they doing? I could not find any information about this It is a new style of working group. OSM never had physical working groups (PWG); ours were always remote working groups (RWG) where people would ususally work by e-mail or telephone. We're now experimenting with the totally virtual working group (VWG, some people say the V stands for vapour but don't listen to them). These working groups are highly flexible and can be convened and dissolved quickly. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
I had an interesting experience related to my first mapping project. I was trying find convenient entry points into a new local fitness trail to check it out. Although there is an official Google map with a GPX trace, it's hard to find entry points, parking, etc because they're a bit hidden behind trees. The paper map is still preliminary and didn't help. So I set out to map the trail in detail. Then I wondered if anyone else locally would be interested in it also, so I searched for forums where people have historically talked about the trail. I found a good one, registered, and waited. Then the question came for which I had the answer: http://www.city-data.com/forum/greenville-spartanburg-area/714284-swamp-rabbit-trail-help.html Although my trail is nothing in terms of elegance and artwork, it worked perfectly for the answer. The few landmarks shown have special meaning because they are historically relevant or sponsors of the trail. I swear that neither the questioner or the last poster is a sock puppet account! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
--- On Sun, 26/7/09, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: I swear that neither the questioner or the last poster is a sock puppet account! Yes, some times the slightest of actions have the most effect :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
Tom Hughes wrote: Sent: 11 July 2009 9:01 AM To: Russ Nelson Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org; Hillsman,Edward Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM On 11/07/09 09:42, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Hillsman, Edward wrote: By the way, whom in the OSM network should I contact about getting help with the uploads this fall? A couple of months ago there was some discussion here about developing some sort of support team for uploading files, and I don't remember seeing what came of that. impo...@openstreetmap.org I don't think that address will go anywhere... Did you mean impo...@osmfoundation.org perhaps? Which I've just realised is not yet set up. Have now done so. Cheers Andy Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
gahhh, Did you mean impo...@osmfoundation.org perhaps? Which I've just realised is not yet set up. Have now done so. Actually it is. I just can't read the control panel properly ;-) Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
I have been working on an education project. Here is the wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Education I plan to add in more information over the next couple of weeks. Please add in more here, and get in touch with me directly to chat more about this. There is definitely huge potential for us and the educational community. On Jul 21, 2009, at 3:45 AM, John Smith wrote: --- On Thu, 9/7/09, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: I'm planning to send the emails about the time the faculty returns from summer vacations and prepares for the new school year in August. I will have the added incentive that a nearby university has gone viral and completely mapped out the campus and town in detail. In the mean time I've located a primary school teacher who's shown some interest in doing mapping with her class. The school is in the middle of no where and there is very little mapped so it'll be interesting to see how far they get. http://osm.org/go/s2QkW9f2-- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Sarah Manley Community Ambassdor sa...@cloudmade.com Cell: 415-254-3050 Skype: Sarah_cloudmade Twitter: SarahManley ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: I'm planning to send the emails about the time the faculty returns from summer vacations and prepares for the new school year in August. I will have the added incentive that a nearby university has gone viral and completely mapped out the campus and town in detail. In the mean time I've located a primary school teacher who's shown some interest in doing mapping with her class. The school is in the middle of no where and there is very little mapped so it'll be interesting to see how far they get. http://osm.org/go/s2QkW9f2-- ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: The school is in the middle of no where and there is very little mapped so it'll be interesting to see how far they get. 'remote' is agreed ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: 'remote' is agreed Ya know it's a remote place when small towns have 3 run ways :) Mind you the town is surrounded by open cut gold mines apparently so that might have something to do with it too :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Hillsman, Edward wrote: By the way, whom in the OSM network should I contact about getting help with the uploads this fall? A couple of months ago there was some discussion here about developing some sort of support team for uploading files, and I don’t remember seeing what came of that. impo...@openstreetmap.org -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
On 11/07/09 09:42, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Hillsman, Edward wrote: By the way, whom in the OSM network should I contact about getting help with the uploads this fall? A couple of months ago there was some discussion here about developing some sort of support team for uploading files, and I don’t remember seeing what came of that. impo...@openstreetmap.org I don't think that address will go anywhere... Did you mean impo...@osmfoundation.org perhaps? Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
On Jul 11, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 11/07/09 09:42, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Hillsman, Edward wrote: By the way, whom in the OSM network should I contact about getting help with the uploads this fall? A couple of months ago there was some discussion here about developing some sort of support team for uploading files, and I don’t remember seeing what came of that. impo...@openstreetmap.org I don't think that address will go anywhere... Did you mean impo...@osmfoundation.org perhaps? Ah, yes! Thank you, Tom. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
2009/7/9 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: Tracing rivers and such on OSM gave me an idea for a possible way to promote OSM, geography students. I mean what better way to teach kids about geography than doing a little cartography :) Back when I was at School, If I could have done a GCSE or A-Level in Cartography I would have done. Its a much under taught subject. It either needs to be taught as a Subject in its own right or as Part of Technical Drawing, Its not that it can't be included as part of Geography its just there is more than enough material for a separate subject and its much ignored. Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
I was thinking this also - I was going to send an email to the local faculty who are responsible for the GIS curriculum at each local school, and also offer to speak or help get students started (first edit sessions can be frustrating). It's important to keep the mail as low key and let the faculty decide if it's worth a mention in class or as an extra credit project. -- From: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com Tracing rivers and such on OSM gave me an idea for a possible way to promote OSM, geography students. I mean what better way to teach kids about geography than doing a little cartography :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: I was thinking this also - I was going to send an email to the local faculty who are responsible for the GIS curriculum at each local school, and also offer to speak or help get students started (first edit sessions can be frustrating). It's important to keep the mail as low key and let the faculty decide if it's worth a mention in class or as an extra credit project. I'd appreciate copies, or better yet would you be able to commit content to the wiki for this? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Jack Stringer jack.ix...@googlemail.com wrote: There are different target groups, primary school, secondary, college/uni so we need targeted plans for each. I was mostly thinking secondary, I didn't think primary would be that interested or able to produce useful data, but I'm happy to be proven wrong :) If we get colleges involved then we may breed new osm editors. At Uni/college level that's a whole other ball game, since you start getting into surveying and architecture students which start to specalise into this area, rather than general subjects that would touch on it. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
For the UK its GCSE and A-Level Geography students are the ones to look at I guess. Though I know we might not be able to use information from 11yr old kids it still does not mean we can not help provide education information to them. I know its not what OSM is about but educating the youth in the wonder of maps should be a nice starting ground. Because OSM are free it means teachers can freely print copies and let the student learn about orienteering even if its only on school grounds. You never know the teacher may put the information for the school into OSM so that they could use it themselves. On the wiki it would be useful to put all the information under Teaching Resources and go from there. *Sorry I keep doing this (forgetting to cc the list)* What John was commentating on. Make a teaching pack that would give them ideas on how they can teach students about map making. One idea is that they can map the school. Using walking maps they can upload the hand drawn map and trace that. If suitable permission could be found they could map their neighbourhood or street. When I was at school I loved maps as we have a collection of os maps at home. After taking geography as a gcse subject I was disappointed we never did much with maps. None of the students could read an os map. There are different target groups, primary school, secondary, college/uni so we need targeted plans for each. If we get colleges involved then we may breed new osm editors. Jack Stringer ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
2009/7/9 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: Tracing rivers and such on OSM gave me an idea for a possible way to promote OSM, geography students. I mean what better way to teach kids about geography than doing a little cartography :) By coincidence, I gave a short invited presentation about OSM last evening to a geography GPS class. The professor will require some sort of project from each student, and I'm hoping that some of them will use OSM as part of their work. The professor is aware of open-source GIS software but has not been familiar with OSM beyond a general awareness of it. We are encouraging students NOT to do the obvious things of mapping certain features on campus, because we plan to work with a GIS class this fall to upload files of campus features, local bus stops/routes, and the like. But I encouraged the off-road cyclists to map local trails, and a golfer to map the university golf course. An older student is interested in mapping services of interest to senior citizens in his home town some 40 miles from campus. One student was involved a few years ago in creating something like the GNIS file that someone has uploaded, and he may do some work to correct the location errors in it in the local area. I also encouraged those with access to any of the many gated communities in this area to map those, because the Yahoo imagery indicates a lot of construction but no final streets and structures. I am interested to see what comes of all of this. The students seemed to be intrigued that students have been big contributors to the OSM endeavor. By the way, whom in the OSM network should I contact about getting help with the uploads this fall? A couple of months ago there was some discussion here about developing some sort of support team for uploading files, and I don't remember seeing what came of that. Ed Hillsman Edward L. Hillsman, Ph.D. Senior Research Associate Center for Urban Transportation Research University of South Florida 4202 Fowler Ave., CUT100 Tampa, FL 33620-5375 813-974-2977 (tel) 813-974-5168 (fax) hills...@cutr.usf.edu mailto:pol...@cutr.usf.edu http://www.cutr.usf.edu blocked::http://www.cutr.usf.edu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote: Back when I was at School, If I could have done a GCSE or A-Level in Cartography I would have done. Its a much under taught subject. It either needs to be taught as a Subject in its own right or as Part of Technical Drawing, Its not that it can't be included as part of Geography its just there is more than enough material for a separate subject and its much ignored. I was thinking about refining rivers and marking out local area stuff that normally doesn't appear on most maps, there virtually would be a lot of stuff that could be done in this area. Then you come to your suggestion, technical drawing, and I was walking through a shopping centre today and that side of things came to mind where you normally can't get GPS signal but they could measure out the shop fronts using another method and extrapolating from known positions outside where you can get a good gps signal. There is almost endless amounts of refinement and mapping that could be done, and would cross disciplines from geography to architecture to history even, since you can get copies of old maps and see how towns grew over time. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Jack Stringer jack.ix...@googlemail.com wrote: Though I know we might not be able to use information from 11yr old kids it still does not mean we can not help provide education This would fall into the category of PR more than anything I assume, does anything like this already exist? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Jack Stringer jack.ix...@googlemail.com wrote: Though I know we might not be able to use information from 11yr old kids it still does not mean we can not help provide education This would fall into the category of PR more than anything I assume, does anything like this already exist? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM
Tracing rivers and such on OSM gave me an idea for a possible way to promote OSM, geography students. I mean what better way to teach kids about geography than doing a little cartography :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
