Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)

2014-11-02 Thread Russ Nelson
Paweł Marynowski writes: When you make import, people are starting make notes about imprecise data. I would note that, for decades, the best way to get correct information on the Internet has been to post incorrect information. I don't think that has changed, so yeah, let's import data even

Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)

2014-11-02 Thread marekskleciak
No one does imports without audit of random samples. We do it as well. The percentage of errors checked in tested area corresponds to the average content errors created by OpenStreetMap mappers. Of course, this must be checked each time, if we import data. We should never believe in the quality

Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)

2014-10-24 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi, On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 01:32:19PM +0200, Marc Gemis wrote: So don't you expect pressure from companies using OSM for navigation and geocoding to add more addresses ? Or do you expect them to use many different datasources ? I dont get this? pressure? On what basis? You get the OSM data

Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)

2014-10-24 Thread Paweł Paprota
OSM is not a melting pot for the world's open data and while there is a place for imports, every import will have to be carefully thought about and evaluated. Streamlining that process is not necessarily in the best interest of OpenStreetMap. What do you mean? Clearly it *is* in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)

2014-10-24 Thread Marc Gemis
For me it is not unthinkable that once a company starts using OSM data for a commercial offering, they might start demanding to add that data. Of course they cannot demand anything from the community, but they can import the data, or some people might feel a need to import data, or... It's hard

Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)

2014-10-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-24 13:17 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: For me it is not unthinkable that once a company starts using OSM data for a commercial offering, they might start demanding to add that data. indeed, could happen from time to time ;-) Of course they cannot demand anything from

Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)

2014-10-24 Thread Marc Gemis
? We'd still need to survey in order to do the maintenance work and correct errors. That's the main reason why imports are often seen as problematic: they will not create a comunity, rather there are indications that the growth of the comunity will slow down when everything looks completed,

Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)

2014-10-24 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:05 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: We'd still need to survey in order to do the maintenance work and correct errors. That's the main reason why imports are often seen as problematic: they will not create a comunity, rather there are indications

Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)

2014-10-24 Thread Paweł Marynowski
2014-10-24 14:14 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: I totally agree with you, But, I have the impression that people that do the imports don't do them to create a community. they do it to have the data in OSM. Don't you think that more data = more people eager to add notes about

Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)

2014-10-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/23/2014 08:57 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: Wouldn't it be great that we would have import tools that can be used by many groups ? As far as addresses are concerned, there's OpenAddresses (the US version, not the older Swiss project) that collects openly licensed address data and to my

Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)

2014-10-23 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Frankly, I don't get all the brouhaha about addresses. Yes, geocoding is commercially interesting, but is it interesting for us as a project? Are So don't you expect pressure from companies using OSM for navigation and

Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)

2014-10-23 Thread Nick Whitelegg
I'd go along with this to some extent; I certainly don't think OSM should be primarily about addressing as Steve's email appears to indicate. It should be about whatever we as mappers want it to be. If addressing's your thing, then fine, do it, but if it isn't, that's fine also. I don't think