Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-12 Thread Rory McCann
Joseph Gentle wrote: You can see my beautiful city. http://maps.google.com.au/?ie=UTF8ll=-33.911633,151.24054spn=0.03298,0.065918z=15layer=ccbll=-33.9172,151.226114panoid=SF1CU5fcTX8XqlKyXRxwogcbp=1,123.60785767574839,,0,6.094238783200709 Good for filling in all the missing street names. OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-12 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Rory McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joseph Gentle wrote: You can see my beautiful city.

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-08 Thread Michael Stilmant
Hi, Oups. Sorry for my Engilsh then I think I use wrongly the words here. I shouldn't comment legal issues then :-) I don't think a service can be copyrighted. When I was talking about google's services, I was saying Google offer the service to put a name on a given street via the Google Map if

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread Stefan Holst
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 11:58 +1000, Joseph Gentle wrote: You can see my beautiful city. http://maps.google.com.au/?ie=UTF8ll=-33.911633,151.24054spn=0.03298,0.065918z=15layer=ccbll=-33.9172,151.226114panoid=SF1CU5fcTX8XqlKyXRxwogcbp=1,123.60785767574839,,0,6.094238783200709 Good for filling in

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread Simon Hewison
wer-ist-roger wrote: Hello Stefan, Interesting question. Are we allowed to use street view images for mapping (filling in street names, amenities, house numbers) or do we need explicit permission like for aerial images? If your not sure about the legal aspect DON'T use it! And from my

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Stephen, Stephen Gower wrote: That argument surely applies to aerial images also, and yet consensus is that getting facts from them would create a derived work incompatible with our licence. Just for the record: The issue is highly contended and it would be wrong to speak of consensus. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread Stefan Holst
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 10:36 +0200, Erik Johansson wrote: First of all I have never been able to see the name of a street in my 20 minutes of watching google streetview. But you shoudl be able to get these things from them: It is no problem at all to spot street names and even house numbers for

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread Erik Johansson
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Stefan Holst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 11:58 +1000, Joseph Gentle wrote: You can see my beautiful city.

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread wer-ist-roger
Hello Stefan, Interesting question. Are we allowed to use street view images for mapping (filling in street names, amenities, house numbers) or do we need explicit permission like for aerial images? If your not sure about the legal aspect DON'T use it! And from my point of few it is not

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread Erik Johansson
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Stefan Holst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And since they are facts and not *indexed* in a database so it should be ok. So, its couch-potato-mapping until Google blurrs street names and house numbers, too? Google do index the names an publish that database over the

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread Laurence Penney
How would we avoid looking at - or prove that we avoid looking at - all the street names on Google Maps, with which Street View is inextricably integrated? - L ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread Matthias Julius
Stephen Gower [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 10:36:14AM +0200, Erik Johansson wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Stefan Holst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 11:58 +1000, Joseph Gentle wrote: Good for filling in all the missing street names.

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread Anselm Hook
And using contacts or glasses is a derived work too... the vendor could have twisted the photons to inject 'lye' street into your vision. a On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Stephen Gower [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 10:36:14AM

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Martes, 5 de Agosto de 2008, Matthias Julius escribió: Well, if reading a road sign from a picture is creating a derived work of that picture than looking up a word in a dictionary also creates a derived work of that dictionary. Not really. The issue here is that the road sign is not

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread Igor Brejc
Frederik Ramm wrote: Just for the record: The issue is highly contended and it would be wrong to speak of consensus. If there's any consensus then it is that when in doubt we prefer to be careful and so we don't copy from aerial images - even though many of us believe that it would be

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread Laurence Penney
On 5 Aug 2008, at 14:28, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: dont avoid looking at them. But add names according to your own knowledge. Let's say I know reasonably well in my own mind most of the streets in the centre of the town where I live. Let's also say there's a particular street I want to

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Laurence Penney wrote: [stuff about contaminated state of mind prohibiting data entry to OSM] It is conceivable that someone moves into a new town, gets everywhere by legally using Google maps, never really looking at a street sign (at least not before knowing exactly what will be on there

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Igor Brejc wrote: Do we have any lawyers in the OSM community to help clear this? It is not an issue that can be cleared by lawyers since they have wildly different opinions themselves. For example, one court in Germany has said that the person operating the shutter on an aerial imagery

Re: [OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-05 Thread Laurence Penney
Ok, let's add that the lifespan of the contamination is that of short term memory. - L On 5 Aug 2008, at 19:14, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Laurence Penney wrote: [stuff about contaminated state of mind prohibiting data entry to OSM] It is conceivable that someone moves into a new town,

[OSM-talk] Australia has Google Street View!

2008-08-04 Thread Joseph Gentle
You can see my beautiful city. http://maps.google.com.au/?ie=UTF8ll=-33.911633,151.24054spn=0.03298,0.065918z=15layer=ccbll=-33.9172,151.226114panoid=SF1CU5fcTX8XqlKyXRxwogcbp=1,123.60785767574839,,0,6.094238783200709 Good for filling in all the missing street names. -J