Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Rory McCann]

On 17/01/18 09:28, Marco wrote:
2) I've always been using the "changesets w/comments" line of the HDYC 
page to double check suspicious mappers.


Have you considered filtering out changesets with comments and
`review_requested=yes`? IMO if someone requests a review, they *want* a
comment, even if it's "Yes I looked over this and it looke fine". They
are asking for another opinion. Those changesets have a comment, but are
not problematic.

Looking for changesets with review_requested=yes and *no* comments is a
good way to find things that should be investigated.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Lester Caine]

On 17/01/18 09:46, Frederik Ramm wrote:

It's like clapping
your hands to the supermarket cashier every time he/she prints you the
receipt.

I had to smile at that one.


Reminds me off the developers lists where there is more traffic of the 
'I like that' than actual constructive contributions.



I think users should either be able to opt out of automatically
generated changeset comments, or perhaps such changeset comments should
only ever be generated to users who have actively opted in (the "review
requested" could be interpreted as an opt-in even though it doesn't
exactly mean that).


Requesting the review of an edit should always be optional, but for new 
editors it should be a part of the process anyway. TAGGING a changeset 
for review should not simply be a comment. OSMCha should perhaps be 
pushing feedback to the contributor and ONLY to the database when there 
is a problem. Can we keep that hand clapping to a separate channel to 
the live data in the database please?



2) I've always been using the "changesets w/comments" line of the HDYC
page to double check suspicious mappers. Usually a mapper with a ton of
commented changesets was to consider suspicious, from now on this osmcha
feature is going to add a crazy amount of positive/useless comments

Could auto-generated changeset comments be marked as such, so that HDYC
could ignore them or at least treat them as less relevant?


We live in a world where much of the traffic on social media is 
automatically generated by a bot of some sort. Adding that 'feature' to 
OSM to improve quality should be part of the edit process so it informs 
a contributor at the time, not generating feedback later. And certainly 
as with any contribution, it should be tagged in a way that you KNOW 
just how it was generated, and can filter the 'social media' 
contributions from the 'constructive' ones.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 17.01.2018 09:28, Marco wrote:
> It's like clapping
> your hands to the supermarket cashier every time he/she prints you the
> receipt.

I had to smile at that one.

I think users should either be able to opt out of automatically
generated changeset comments, or perhaps such changeset comments should
only ever be generated to users who have actively opted in (the "review
requested" could be interpreted as an opt-in even though it doesn't
exactly mean that).

> 2) I've always been using the "changesets w/comments" line of the HDYC
> page to double check suspicious mappers. Usually a mapper with a ton of
> commented changesets was to consider suspicious, from now on this osmcha
> feature is going to add a crazy amount of positive/useless comments 

Could auto-generated changeset comments be marked as such, so that HDYC
could ignore them or at least treat them as less relevant?

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Marco]

Agree with you, I don't really like this feature, mainly for two reasons:

1) I see myself as a quite experienced mapper and I guess pretty much 
99% of my edits improved the map, I think it's nice to see that someone 
double checks some of my edits using osmcha or achavi, but I also think 
there's actually no need to add a comment saying that my edit "looks 
great". I reckon it might be useful when dealing with new mappers as 
adding a comment saying "you're doing a great job, keep it up" might 
improve the new mapper's motivation, but shelling my email address with 
emails from osm, saying that someone added a comment (automatic and 
useless) to one of my changeset does only annoy me. It's like clapping 
your hands to the supermarket cashier every time he/she prints you the 
receipt.


2) I've always been using the "changesets w/comments" line of the HDYC 
page to double check suspicious mappers. Usually a mapper with a ton of 
commented changesets was to consider suspicious, from now on this osmcha 
feature is going to add a crazy amount of positive/useless comments and 
then looking at the number of changesets with comments of a mapper is 
not going to be useful anymore. It also makes things more complex when 
trying to double check a mapper which already saved hundreds of changesets.


Cheers

Marco


Il 12/01/2018 15:07, Michael Reichert ha scritto:

Hi,

OSMCha started posting comments to changesets a few days ago when a user
marks a changeset as good or bad.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/wille/diary/43101
I would like to ask the author(s) of OSMCha to disable this feature.

We expect to read all mappers incoming message (personal messages and
changeset comments). If third-party tools start to post comments to lots
of changesets automatically, this is some kind of spamming. If OSM sends
to much emails to a user, the user will probably ignore them or treat
them as spam.

I think that OSMCha should not post a comment automatically except if
the user has explicitly asked for feedback or there are quality issues
regarding the edit (mistakes, vandalism, guideline violations or
anything else which makes it necessary to talk to the user).

I post this email to this mailing list instead of filing a bug report a
Github [1] because I want to bring this problem to the wider audience
and initiate a general discussion on the acceptable usage of the
changeset comments API.

What are your thoughts and opinions on this issue?

Best regards

Michael


[1] Btw, which Github repository would be the correct one the file the
bug report at?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=osmcha+github=ffsb=web




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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[michael spreng]

Hi

> correctly then it is not automatic. It is posted from other tool/site
> but allowing this is a purpose of API.
> 
> Is there any evidence that these
> comments are spammy or used in de-facto automatic fashion? Os its it
> really automatic and I misunderstand situation.
> 

I just tried it myself on OSMCha:

-I needed to log in again, and OSMCha now requests the permission to
edit the map.
-after log in I am presented with a pop up on the bottom right, stating
that osmcha will now comment on changesets that I reviewed.

I marked a changeset of an experienced mapper as good, and after that,
the changeset comment appears on the changeset page, without further
interaction from my side.
I immediately felt obliged to apologize for the comment, because that
was an experienced mapper.

So I agree that the comments are too automatic.

The reviewer should be presented with the choice to comment (or not)
each time, and have the opportunity to change the message. Especially
because this is one of the rare cases that go directly to the users
email inbox! If this gets used a lot, mappers will be trained to ignore
messages from OpenStreetMap. This being viewed as spam is a concern for
me as well.

Michael

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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 12. Jan 2018, at 16:41, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> 
> Bryan, this is "being nice" in English. 


Andy, this might be nice for British natives, but it certainly bears a high 
risk of being perceived as offending by non-native speakers, even if it was in 
quotation marks and with a smiley at the end. (I’m “European” as well).

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Mike N]

On 1/13/2018 5:02 AM, joost schouppe wrote:


If we agree it's a problem that users get a message everytime someone 
reviews one of their changesets, then maybe we need a separate database 
for reviewing status. OSMcha has that, but we might integrate the 
reviewing status into OSM.org


There have been mentions of having a reviewed status on changesets. 
This could be shown as summary feedback in editors as "toast-style" 
status balloons the way waiting OSM messages is shown.   An addition to 
the OSM.org changeset would be the review status (good, bad, mixed) and 
who reviewed.  That would be a natural way to use OSMcha, with optional 
messages only when it would be helpful.Otherwise a flurry of 
messages for edits is unexpected, as in


https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/55390192

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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 12. Jan 2018, at 15:25, Michael Reichert  wrote:
> 
> Ideally, this comment should be localized. If a user uses the German
> locale of his editor, he should the receive the comment in German if the
> reviewer also uses a German locale (it is then very likely that they
> would use German for their normal conversation).


it depends on the context. From time to time I encounter changesets I want to 
comment on from (supposed) Germans which have edited around here (Italy). I’m 
usually writing the first comment in English, because I want my fellow Italian 
mappers to be able to follow.( Obviously, if the mapper doesn’t speak English, 
I’ll also communicate in German with them on the follow up). People mapping 
“abroad” is not a rare phenomenon in OSM.


Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Tobias Knerr]

On 13.01.2018 11:02, joost schouppe wrote:
> - a reviewer in OSMcha can adapt the message to his own personal message
> or an ad hoc message
[...]
> - a reviewer can choose to not send a message if they feel like they're
> spamming

Those would be steps in the right direction, but I wonder why it's
necessary to even pre-fill a default message at all? I'd suggest to
leave it blank and have people compose their own messages.

Now ideally, those would be tailored to each changeset and mention
something that demonstrates you actually looked at the new user's work
(and in a perfect world, demonstrates local knowledge to show that
you're from the area).

But even if the reviewer writes a message only once and re-uses it for
subsequent changesets (which OSMCha could even make easier by
remembering your previous messages), that message will still be
infinitely better than the current default, as it's likely to be in the
local language, follow local communication styles, and have an
individual touch from the human mapper who wrote it.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[joost schouppe]

I don't think "a comment generated by" is the correct description. It is a
comment generated -through- OSMcha. A human decided the changeset was good,
that's nice to know for mappers. I guess it would be better if the reviewer
can decide not to send this message, or have the option to chose which kind
of message.

It's a little silly to get fifty of these messages if they all get
reviewed. But there is a second use case to these messages: it is the only
way that another changeset reviewer using another tool can know that
someone already looked at it. I would propose:

- a reviewer in OSMcha can adapt the message to his own personal message or
an ad hoc message
- the "personal sounding text" is sent at most once to every single mapper.
Every following message is as short and to the point as Stefan's proposal
- a reviewer can choose to not send a message if they feel like they're
spamming

If we agree it's a problem that users get a message everytime someone
reviews one of their changesets, then maybe we need a separate database for
reviewing status. OSMcha has that, but we might integrate the reviewing
status into OSM.org? That would of course also imply that third party tools
can also write to the OSMcha database. So maybe a centralized solution
would be better. I think reviewing is impartant enough to consider this.

2018-01-12 22:49 GMT+01:00 Clifford Snow :

>
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Stefan Keller  wrote:
>
>> I would even go further by refering to policies about automated reply
>> mails and/or chat bots. I can't find an authoritative source but I
>> think there's at least a netiquette saying that communications to
>> humans generated from machines should start by declaring it's a
>> message from a machine.
>>
>> In this case my reaction also was that "I reviewed..." is misleading.
>> I would propose s'thing like the following:
>> ...
>> Hello!
>> This is a comment generated by #OSMCha:
>> #REVIEWED_GOOD
>> Thank you for your contributions to OpenStreetMap.
>>
>
> Another option would be to allow each of us to create our own "canned"
> response.
>
> A quick count shows something like 300,000+ edits by new mappers in 2017.
> That would also include import accounts created in 2017 which inflates the
> number. But it's still a large number. Ideally we would review more edits
> by new mappers to help them get up to speed and offer words of
> encouragement. Having tools like OSMCha really help. I've started employing
> OSMCha late last year and find it helpful, especially being able to see
> what was deleted.
>
> Stefan - Thank you for offering a suggestion on how OSMCha can be
> improved.
>
> Best,
> Clifford
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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Clifford Snow]

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Stefan Keller  wrote:

> I would even go further by refering to policies about automated reply
> mails and/or chat bots. I can't find an authoritative source but I
> think there's at least a netiquette saying that communications to
> humans generated from machines should start by declaring it's a
> message from a machine.
>
> In this case my reaction also was that "I reviewed..." is misleading.
> I would propose s'thing like the following:
> ...
> Hello!
> This is a comment generated by #OSMCha:
> #REVIEWED_GOOD
> Thank you for your contributions to OpenStreetMap.
>

Another option would be to allow each of us to create our own "canned"
response.

A quick count shows something like 300,000+ edits by new mappers in 2017.
That would also include import accounts created in 2017 which inflates the
number. But it's still a large number. Ideally we would review more edits
by new mappers to help them get up to speed and offer words of
encouragement. Having tools like OSMCha really help. I've started employing
OSMCha late last year and find it helpful, especially being able to see
what was deleted.

Stefan - Thank you for offering a suggestion on how OSMCha can be improved.

Best,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Stefan Keller]

2018-01-12 17:01 GMT+01:00 Tobias Knerr :
> I agree. Right now, messages and comments sent via OSM channels tend to
> be written by humans for a specific individual recipient, which gives
> them a very good signal-to-noise ratio.

Interesting discussion to me because I'm working on a tool that
enhances onosm.org and generates OSM notes and messages to inbox when
an OSM object has been modified. I think it should be allowed to send
auto-generated messages to OSM channels as long as it's fair use or if
one can opt-out (in case of "personal" comments).

> Subjectively, I also tend to find it a bit off-putting when canned
> messages try to imitate human writing. Compared to obviously automated

I would even go further by refering to policies about automated reply
mails and/or chat bots. I can't find an authoritative source but I
think there's at least a netiquette saying that communications to
humans generated from machines should start by declaring it's a
message from a machine.

In this case my reaction also was that "I reviewed..." is misleading.
I would propose s'thing like the following:
...
Hello!
This is a comment generated by #OSMCha:
#REVIEWED_GOOD
Thank you for your contributions to OpenStreetMap.
...

If the reviewer can edit the text before it's being send by OSMCha
(under the name of the user), then it's a kind of mixed "authorship"
and yet another case.

:Stefan

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2018-01-12 17:01 GMT+01:00 Tobias Knerr :
> On 12.01.2018 15:39, Andy Townsend wrote:
>> More seriously, any automatic use of OSM messages is problematical
>> because it devalues the messages that we want people to actually read -
>> the ones that are composed by and sent be a human, and have actual
>> useful information in them
>
> I agree. Right now, messages and comments sent via OSM channels tend to
> be written by humans for a specific individual recipient, which gives
> them a very good signal-to-noise ratio. I enjoy that a lot and would
> like to keep things that way.
>
> Subjectively, I also tend to find it a bit off-putting when canned
> messages try to imitate human writing. Compared to obviously automated
> messages ("your changeset was reviewed by user X"), they can feel
> somewhat dishonest. I accept that people will feel differently about
> this, though.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Michael Reichert]

Hi,

Am 2018-01-12 um 17:01 schrieb Tobias Knerr:
> On 12.01.2018 15:39, Andy Townsend wrote:
>> More seriously, any automatic use of OSM messages is problematical
>> because it devalues the messages that we want people to actually read -
>> the ones that are composed by and sent be a human, and have actual
>> useful information in them
> 
> I agree. Right now, messages and comments sent via OSM channels tend to
> be written by humans for a specific individual recipient, which gives
> them a very good signal-to-noise ratio. I enjoy that a lot and would
> like to keep things that way.

We could introduce a special kind of changeset discussion comment which
does trigger email notification. Any comment which is automatically
generated should be such a "silent comment".

Best regards

Michael


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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Tobias Knerr]

On 12.01.2018 15:39, Andy Townsend wrote:
> More seriously, any automatic use of OSM messages is problematical
> because it devalues the messages that we want people to actually read -
> the ones that are composed by and sent be a human, and have actual
> useful information in them

I agree. Right now, messages and comments sent via OSM channels tend to
be written by humans for a specific individual recipient, which gives
them a very good signal-to-noise ratio. I enjoy that a lot and would
like to keep things that way.

Subjectively, I also tend to find it a bit off-putting when canned
messages try to imitate human writing. Compared to obviously automated
messages ("your changeset was reviewed by user X"), they can feel
somewhat dishonest. I accept that people will feel differently about
this, though.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Andy Townsend]

On 12/01/2018 14:52, Bryan Housel wrote:

- “To European eyes the comments look like they were written by a six-year-old”


Be nice everyone!


Bryan, this is "being nice" in English.  It's a reply that incorporates 
a certain amount of humour (quotes around sarcasm, link to 
not-entirely-serious article containing an example where "Punctuation 
saves lives", smiley at the end).  It's an attempt to say that yes, 
there really is a problem here to be fixed, but doing it in a way that 
attempts to get that message across in a humorous way to distract from 
the necessarily negative message.


 Best Regards,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Bryan Housel]

Yes, I agree the feature could be improved.

Helpful:
- "I think it should be more clear that clicking the button will add a 
changeset comment”
- “I think localization could be improved and I’d love to help with this”
- “I would like the opportunity to customize the message or see it before it is 
posted”

Unhelpful:
- “This feature is spam equivalent to “Bitcoin Millions" ”
- “I am posting this to the talk list instead of directly working with the 
developer to improve it”
- “I have not even bothered to figure out which GitHub repo to open an issue in"
- “To European eyes the comments look like they were written by a six-year-old”


Be nice everyone!



> On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Mike N  wrote:
> 
> On 1/12/2018 9:13 AM, Bryan Housel wrote:
>> I love this feature, and I hope Wille keeps it in.
>> The message is very well written, and it’s not spam if the user asks for 
>> their changeset to be reviewed and then somebody actually does it.
> 
>  I haven't used this yet because I wanted to add my own detail to the 
> message.   A quick sampling of these shows that most are in response to 
> review_requested.   I did run across 2 that did not have review requested 
> however - the message is occasionally being used instead of a dedicated 
> thumbs up/down flag on changesets.
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Andy Townsend]

On 12/01/2018 14:07, Michael Reichert wrote:

Hi,

OSMCha started posting comments to changesets a few days ago when a user
marks a changeset as good or bad.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/wille/diary/43101
I would like to ask the author(s) of OSMCha to disable this feature.


The example given at 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/wille/diary/43101 is certainly 
"insufficiently localised" to European eyes (alternatively, "written by 
a six-year-old") - every sentence ends with an exclamation mark*.


More seriously, any automatic use of OSM messages is problematical 
because it devalues the messages that we want people to actually read - 
the ones that are composed by and sent be a human, and have actual 
useful information in them (and I'm glad to see that Mike N said "I 
haven't used this yet because I wanted to add my own detail to the 
message" - that's exactly what should be happening).


Best Regards,
Andy

* apparently, according to 
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170301-what-overusing-exclamation-marks-says-about-you 
, this is a matter of life and death :)



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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:07:11 +0100
Michael Reichert  wrote:

>  If third-party tools start to post comments to lots
> of changesets automatically

In that case that would be clearly wrong.

But if I understand 

> From now on, when we review a changeset in OSMCha, a comment will be
> posted in the OSM changeset page.

correctly then it is not automatic. It is posted from other tool/site
but allowing this is a purpose of API.

Is there any evidence that these
comments are spammy or used in de-facto automatic fashion? Os its it
really automatic and I misunderstand situation.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Maarten Deen]

On 2018-01-12 15:07, Michael Reichert wrote:

Hi,

OSMCha started posting comments to changesets a few days ago when a 
user

marks a changeset as good or bad.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/wille/diary/43101
I would like to ask the author(s) of OSMCha to disable this feature.

We expect to read all mappers incoming message (personal messages and
changeset comments). If third-party tools start to post comments to 
lots
of changesets automatically, this is some kind of spamming. If OSM 
sends

to much emails to a user, the user will probably ignore them or treat
them as spam.

I think that OSMCha should not post a comment automatically except if
the user has explicitly asked for feedback or there are quality issues
regarding the edit (mistakes, vandalism, guideline violations or
anything else which makes it necessary to talk to the user).

I post this email to this mailing list instead of filing a bug report a
Github [1] because I want to bring this problem to the wider audience
and initiate a general discussion on the acceptable usage of the
changeset comments API.

What are your thoughts and opinions on this issue?


I agree. I would see a comment like that as very condescending.
Mind you: I have not used OSMcha and when I tried to use it 
(osmcha.mapbox.com ?) I can't seem to log in. I get a few error messages 
and the sign in box does nothing.

So I can't really check what kinds of edits would be affected by this.

Maarten

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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Mike N]

On 1/12/2018 9:13 AM, Bryan Housel wrote:

I love this feature, and I hope Wille keeps it in.
The message is very well written, and it’s not spam if the user asks for their 
changeset to be reviewed and then somebody actually does it.


  I haven't used this yet because I wanted to add my own detail to the 
message.   A quick sampling of these shows that most are in response to 
review_requested.   I did run across 2 that did not have review 
requested however - the message is occasionally being used instead of a 
dedicated thumbs up/down flag on changesets.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Michael Reichert]

Hi,

Am 2018-01-12 um 15:13 schrieb Bryan Housel:
> I love this feature, and I hope Wille keeps it in.
> The message is very well written, and it’s not spam if the user asks for 
> their changeset to be reviewed and then somebody actually does it.

It should be optional to post a changeset comment. If someone marks all
changesets in his home area as good, all changesets get a comment. If I
get a comment on all my changesets, I will write a filter on my personal
mail server to drop all these unsolicited emails (all comments with the
OSMCha default text). I can write filters on my own but I am sure that
many of our users are not able to do (or don't want to do and might
reduce their OSM activity).

Ideally, this comment should be localized. If a user uses the German
locale of his editor, he should the receive the comment in German if the
reviewer also uses a German locale (it is then very likely that they
would use German for their normal conversation). Receiving lots of
similar foreign-language comments is not far away from receiving ten
emails whose subject is "Bitcoin Millions".

That's why I consider it as some kind of spam (half of all recent
comments are just automatically generated):
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussions?c=Germany#6/51.727/9.338

All in all, the usage of the changeset discussions by OSMCha just points
out that a feature is missing on osm.org. This cannot be fully replaced
by a third-party application.

Best regards

Michael

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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Bryan Housel]

I love this feature, and I hope Wille keeps it in.
The message is very well written, and it’s not spam if the user asks for their 
changeset to be reviewed and then somebody actually does it.

Thanks Bryan


> On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:07 AM, Michael Reichert  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> OSMCha started posting comments to changesets a few days ago when a user
> marks a changeset as good or bad.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/wille/diary/43101
> I would like to ask the author(s) of OSMCha to disable this feature.
> 
> We expect to read all mappers incoming message (personal messages and
> changeset comments). If third-party tools start to post comments to lots
> of changesets automatically, this is some kind of spamming. If OSM sends
> to much emails to a user, the user will probably ignore them or treat
> them as spam.
> 
> I think that OSMCha should not post a comment automatically except if
> the user has explicitly asked for feedback or there are quality issues
> regarding the edit (mistakes, vandalism, guideline violations or
> anything else which makes it necessary to talk to the user).
> 
> I post this email to this mailing list instead of filing a bug report a
> Github [1] because I want to bring this problem to the wider audience
> and initiate a general discussion on the acceptable usage of the
> changeset comments API.
> 
> What are your thoughts and opinions on this issue?
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> [1] Btw, which Github repository would be the correct one the file the
> bug report at?
> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=osmcha+github=ffsb=web
> 
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[OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Michael Reichert]

Hi,

OSMCha started posting comments to changesets a few days ago when a user
marks a changeset as good or bad.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/wille/diary/43101
I would like to ask the author(s) of OSMCha to disable this feature.

We expect to read all mappers incoming message (personal messages and
changeset comments). If third-party tools start to post comments to lots
of changesets automatically, this is some kind of spamming. If OSM sends
to much emails to a user, the user will probably ignore them or treat
them as spam.

I think that OSMCha should not post a comment automatically except if
the user has explicitly asked for feedback or there are quality issues
regarding the edit (mistakes, vandalism, guideline violations or
anything else which makes it necessary to talk to the user).

I post this email to this mailing list instead of filing a bug report a
Github [1] because I want to bring this problem to the wider audience
and initiate a general discussion on the acceptable usage of the
changeset comments API.

What are your thoughts and opinions on this issue?

Best regards

Michael


[1] Btw, which Github repository would be the correct one the file the
bug report at?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=osmcha+github=ffsb=web


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