Re: [OSM-talk] Building Equals Yes
Hi all, [I made buildingsequalyes.spum.org] First, thanks to everyone for their kind words about the project! It's been a couple of weeks since it was pushed out the door and I've mostly been letting it bake to see if anything breaks and to solicit comments and suggestions. The =yes part will be corrected in the next version/release. I was not aware that there were people tagging buildings with more specific values so the next dump will filter on building=* although the project name will stay the same since buildingequalssplat doesn't have quite the same ring. Second, I've seen a few people express concern over a comment I made on the site's about page to the effect that I wanted to import all the WOE IDs [1] (for neighbourhoods, localities, etc.) that I had associated with each of the building way as new tags. For example: # k=woe:locality v=3534 # k=woe:region v=2344924 # k=woe:country v=23424775 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/woeid/3534/ So, I'd like to toss the idea out there and ask: Will this make people upset and if so why? It's obviously something I think would be interesting but it's also not something I want to pick a fight with people over. I know there have been some very bad experiences in the past with any kind of bulk import but, on that level, this seems different. Specifically it's only adding new (and easy identifiable by the woe: prefix) tags to existing ways and not touching any other data. Personally, I've long wanted to have a way to query OSM by place rather than geography and this is one way to do that. I was reading the wiki page for XAPI, this morning, and seeing the proposed search by region extension seems like much the same thing so maybe I'm not alone? There's nothing inherently special about WOE identifiers over others except that a) I am familiar with them (I used to work at Flickr) b) it's an open dataset which means whatever thrashing around Y! does going forward won't have any effect on them c) the ~200M geotagged photos at Flickr all of which have WOE IDs. [2] The WOE IDs themselves were derived by using Flickr's reverse geocoder [3] which I can guarantee you makes some weird/just plain wrong suggestions. I know this because I wrote the reverse geocoder but it also means I have more confidence in it than the results that come back from other services. To the extent that there are errors in the buildingsequalsyes collection most of the results are correct and one benefit of getting them in to OSM would be to have the WOE IDs vetted by the many eyes of the community. And if we can do that then there is also the opportunity to start to create shapes for those places, using all of OSM, in the same way that Flickr generated their shapefiles using geotagged photos. [4] This is not something I want to do if it's going to upset or freak people out. If they need to those mappings between WOE IDs and OSM way IDs can always live outside OSM but I think it would be useful if they were part of the larger whole. Crazy talk? -- [1] http://developer.yahoo.com/geo/geoplanet/guide/concepts.html [2] For example: http://www.flickr.com/places/3534/ [3] http://www.flickr.com/services/api/flickr.places.findByLatLon.html [4] http://code.flickr.com/blog/2008/10/30/the-shape-of-alpha/ On 5/23/11 2:50 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: On 17 May 2011 17:29, Michal Migurskim...@stamen.com wrote: By my colleague Aaron Cope: building=yes is a searchable and linkable index of every singleway tagged building=yes in OpenStreetMap (OSM). A web page for every building in OpenStreetMap! i love it. excellent, and very imaginative. great title too ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Building Equals Yes
Hi, Based on a sampling of WOEIDs your reverse geocoder has assigned to buildings in my metropolitan area, I can say that the only consistently correctly assigned woe: tag is the country tag. And basing on the Key Concepts link you provided, the WOEIDs seems to be centrally managed and not crowd-sourced. It seems that the only avenue for correction is the GeoPlanet forums and I think it would be a headache to try to get the WOEIDs corrected for my region since the problem is massive. (I've also checked the hierarchy of places in my region and they are very wrong.) So, no, I am not in favor of importing the woe:* tags at least in my region since it would be tantamount to importing bad data. Eugene On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:24 PM, straup str...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, [I made buildingsequalyes.spum.org] First, thanks to everyone for their kind words about the project! It's been a couple of weeks since it was pushed out the door and I've mostly been letting it bake to see if anything breaks and to solicit comments and suggestions. The =yes part will be corrected in the next version/release. I was not aware that there were people tagging buildings with more specific values so the next dump will filter on building=* although the project name will stay the same since buildingequalssplat doesn't have quite the same ring. Second, I've seen a few people express concern over a comment I made on the site's about page to the effect that I wanted to import all the WOE IDs [1] (for neighbourhoods, localities, etc.) that I had associated with each of the building way as new tags. For example: # k=woe:locality v=3534 # k=woe:region v=2344924 # k=woe:country v=23424775 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/woeid/3534/ So, I'd like to toss the idea out there and ask: Will this make people upset and if so why? It's obviously something I think would be interesting but it's also not something I want to pick a fight with people over. I know there have been some very bad experiences in the past with any kind of bulk import but, on that level, this seems different. Specifically it's only adding new (and easy identifiable by the woe: prefix) tags to existing ways and not touching any other data. Personally, I've long wanted to have a way to query OSM by place rather than geography and this is one way to do that. I was reading the wiki page for XAPI, this morning, and seeing the proposed search by region extension seems like much the same thing so maybe I'm not alone? There's nothing inherently special about WOE identifiers over others except that a) I am familiar with them (I used to work at Flickr) b) it's an open dataset which means whatever thrashing around Y! does going forward won't have any effect on them c) the ~200M geotagged photos at Flickr all of which have WOE IDs. [2] The WOE IDs themselves were derived by using Flickr's reverse geocoder [3] which I can guarantee you makes some weird/just plain wrong suggestions. I know this because I wrote the reverse geocoder but it also means I have more confidence in it than the results that come back from other services. To the extent that there are errors in the buildingsequalsyes collection most of the results are correct and one benefit of getting them in to OSM would be to have the WOE IDs vetted by the many eyes of the community. And if we can do that then there is also the opportunity to start to create shapes for those places, using all of OSM, in the same way that Flickr generated their shapefiles using geotagged photos. [4] This is not something I want to do if it's going to upset or freak people out. If they need to those mappings between WOE IDs and OSM way IDs can always live outside OSM but I think it would be useful if they were part of the larger whole. Crazy talk? -- [1] http://developer.yahoo.com/geo/geoplanet/guide/concepts.html [2] For example: http://www.flickr.com/places/3534/ [3] http://www.flickr.com/services/api/flickr.places.findByLatLon.html [4] http://code.flickr.com/blog/2008/10/30/the-shape-of-alpha/ On 5/23/11 2:50 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: On 17 May 2011 17:29, Michal Migurskim...@stamen.com wrote: By my colleague Aaron Cope: building=yes is a searchable and linkable index of every singleway tagged building=yes in OpenStreetMap (OSM). A web page for every building in OpenStreetMap! i love it. excellent, and very imaginative. great title too ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Building Equals Yes
On 17 May 2011 17:29, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: By my colleague Aaron Cope: building=yes is a searchable and linkable index of every singleway tagged building=yes in OpenStreetMap (OSM). A web page for every building in OpenStreetMap! i love it. excellent, and very imaginative. great title too -- robin http://bumblepuppy.org/blog/?p=237 - government bill to remove basic human rights in NZ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Building Equals Yes
That is so cool it made me fall off my chair. Great work, Aaron. Martijn On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: By my colleague Aaron Cope: building=yes is a searchable and linkable index of every singleway tagged building=yes in OpenStreetMap (OSM). A web page for every building in OpenStreetMap! You can link to buildings using their 64-bit building=yes identifier or their OSM way ID. Each building has been tagged with one or more Where On Earth (WOE) IDs so you can also search for buildings by place. Examples: http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147483882 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147486984 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147484753 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147773744 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147555753 More: http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/ And: http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/search/ -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Martijn van Exel http://about.me/mvexel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Building Equals Yes
That's awesome. I always appreciate the usage of Null Island as well:) http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/28715636/ How often is this going to be updated? Apparently I'm in a building that was not tagged building=yes;) -Kate P.S. Emailing from the building next to this one: http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/way/28715636/ On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: By my colleague Aaron Cope: building=yes is a searchable and linkable index of every singleway tagged building=yes in OpenStreetMap (OSM). A web page for every building in OpenStreetMap! You can link to buildings using their 64-bit building=yes identifier or their OSM way ID. Each building has been tagged with one or more Where On Earth (WOE) IDs so you can also search for buildings by place. Examples: http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147483882 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147486984 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147484753 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147773744 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147555753 More: http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/ And: http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/search/ -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Building Equals Yes
Nice site. But when I read the following at http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/about/: Where did all the Where On Earth IDs come from? Flickr! Shortly, I hope to import them all back in to OpenStreetMap so that each building (specifically, each way tagged building=yes) will have one or more woe:PLACETYPE=WOEID tags associated with it. I think it is a bad idea to import Flickr woeid back into OSM when you can retrieve the ID yourself with the Yahoo API at any time. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Building Equals Yes
By my colleague Aaron Cope: building=yes is a searchable and linkable index of every singleway tagged building=yes in OpenStreetMap (OSM). A web page for every building in OpenStreetMap! Hardly. :-) Lots of buildings are tagged building=something_descriptive_other_than_yes. Other than that: more of this! Nice to see wacky little ideas come to live and be more than a plain text listing of objects. :) -- Lennard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Building Equals Yes
Looks wonderful! Love the halftone/moiré tiles. A couple of points: * Has the WOEID namespace hereby been officially extended? * Shouldn't you be using building=anything but no as the test? There are 238229 building=house in OSM, such as my own. - L On 17 May 2011, at 06:29, Michal Migurski wrote: By my colleague Aaron Cope: building=yes is a searchable and linkable index of every singleway tagged building=yes in OpenStreetMap (OSM). A web page for every building in OpenStreetMap! You can link to buildings using their 64-bit building=yes identifier or their OSM way ID. Each building has been tagged with one or more Where On Earth (WOE) IDs so you can also search for buildings by place. Examples: http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147483882 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147486984 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147484753 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147773744 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147555753 More: http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/ And: http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/search/ -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Building Equals Yes
On 17/05/2011 11:50, Pieren wrote: Nice site. But when I read the following at http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/about/: Where did all the Where On Earth IDs come from? Flickr! Shortly, I hope to import them all back in to OpenStreetMap so that each building (specifically, each way tagged building=yes) will have one or more woe:PLACETYPE=WOEID tags associated with it. I think it is a bad idea to import Flickr woeid back into OSM when you can retrieve the ID yourself with the Yahoo API at any time. Yes, I agree. Also many of the WOEID placenames seem to be of dubious accuracy. I've checked a few places near me, several of the towns are just a few houses, and in the wrong locations. It looks like they are originally from GNS or similar? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Building Equals Yes
By my colleague Aaron Cope: building=yes is a searchable and linkable index of every singleway tagged building=yes in OpenStreetMap (OSM). A web page for every building in OpenStreetMap! You can link to buildings using their 64-bit building=yes identifier or their OSM way ID. Each building has been tagged with one or more Where On Earth (WOE) IDs so you can also search for buildings by place. Examples: http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147483882 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147486984 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147484753 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147773744 http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/id/2147555753 More: http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/ And: http://buildingequalsyes.spum.org/search/ -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Building Equals Yes
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:29 AM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: By my colleague Aaron Cope: A web page for every building in OpenStreetMap! That's pretty neat. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
