Re: [OSM-talk] Cleanup of Wiki Page "Contact_channels"

[Komяpa]

Hello,

I've started to pull together the comprehensive machine-readable list of
the means of contact used through the community.

Let's map the internal communications :)

https://github.com/Komzpa/osm-contacts/blob/master/contacts.json

How you can help:
 - if you speak javascript, make a viewer/stats on it (d3 graphs anyone?);
 - help marking countries and languages there;
 - make records for forum.openstreetmap.org subforum;
 - update user counts on each chat;
 - if you thought of another chat, forum, list or whatever - just add it
there.

вт, 13 дек. 2016 г. в 0:38, Simon Poole :

>
> We are all reluctant to delete stuff in the wiki, but every page creates a
> maintenance burden that we simply, realistically, can't carry (not even
> starting ranting about translations). How likely is that anybody ever uses
> the page? Unluckily I believe we don't have  any page stats so we don't
> really have any data on what we can throw away. That doesn't mean that I
> want to reduce the tag documentation, quite the contrary, but at least that
> is self limiting in that we don't have endless variants of the same
> contents, all out of date and rarely viewed by anybody.
> Simon
>
>
> Am 12.12.2016 um 22:03 schrieb Michael Reichert:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> Am 12.12.2016 um 21:47 schrieb Simon Poole:
>
> Like so many wiki pages there is really only one good action: send it to
> the circular folder.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/help already lists all OSMF operated
> services, and at SOTM we discussed that we might add in one way of the
> other a pointer to the preferred national comms channel. Lets simply
> keep that up-to-date.
>
>
> This means that I should tidy up this wiki page by deleting almost
> everything, writing a few new words and adding thick, big link 
> tohttps://www.openstreetmap.org/help? Before I do that, I will write a
> pull request to the website to add the missing information at osm.org/help:
> - link to bugtrackers (I will write it like "to report software bugs of
> the website and other software)
> - notes (to name a method to inform us about map errors)
> - changeset discussion (to discuss a single map change somebody did)
>
> Best regards
>
> Michael
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Cleanup of Wiki Page "Contact_channels"

[Simon Poole]

We are all reluctant to delete stuff in the wiki, but every page creates
a maintenance burden that we simply, realistically, can't carry (not
even starting ranting about translations). How likely is that anybody
ever uses the page? Unluckily I believe we don't have  any page stats so
we don't really have any data on what we can throw away. That doesn't
mean that I want to reduce the tag documentation, quite the contrary,
but at least that is self limiting in that we don't have endless
variants of the same contents, all out of date and rarely viewed by anybody.

Simon

Am 12.12.2016 um 22:03 schrieb Michael Reichert:
> Hi Simon,
>
> Am 12.12.2016 um 21:47 schrieb Simon Poole:
>> Like so many wiki pages there is really only one good action: send it to
>> the circular folder.
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/help already lists all OSMF operated
>> services, and at SOTM we discussed that we might add in one way of the
>> other a pointer to the preferred national comms channel. Lets simply
>> keep that up-to-date.
> This means that I should tidy up this wiki page by deleting almost
> everything, writing a few new words and adding thick, big link to
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/help? Before I do that, I will write a
> pull request to the website to add the missing information at osm.org/help:
> - link to bugtrackers (I will write it like "to report software bugs of
> the website and other software)
> - notes (to name a method to inform us about map errors)
> - changeset discussion (to discuss a single map change somebody did)
>
> Best regards
>
> Michael
>
>
>
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> talk@openstreetmap.org
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Re: [OSM-talk] Cleanup of Wiki Page "Contact_channels"

[Michael Reichert]

Hi Simon,

Am 12.12.2016 um 21:47 schrieb Simon Poole:
> Like so many wiki pages there is really only one good action: send it to
> the circular folder.
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/help already lists all OSMF operated
> services, and at SOTM we discussed that we might add in one way of the
> other a pointer to the preferred national comms channel. Lets simply
> keep that up-to-date.

This means that I should tidy up this wiki page by deleting almost
everything, writing a few new words and adding thick, big link to
https://www.openstreetmap.org/help? Before I do that, I will write a
pull request to the website to add the missing information at osm.org/help:
- link to bugtrackers (I will write it like "to report software bugs of
the website and other software)
- notes (to name a method to inform us about map errors)
- changeset discussion (to discuss a single map change somebody did)

Best regards

Michael

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Re: [OSM-talk] Cleanup of Wiki Page "Contact_channels"

[Simon Poole]

Like so many wiki pages there is really only one good action: send it to
the circular folder.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/help already lists all OSMF operated
services, and at SOTM we discussed that we might add in one way of the
other a pointer to the preferred national comms channel. Lets simply
keep that up-to-date.

Simon

Am 12.12.2016 um 20:38 schrieb Michael Reichert:
> Hi,
>
> I just wanted to paste the link to
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contact_channels into a message to a
> newbie and checked if the content of page is up-to-date. By checking the
> page some questions arised:
>
> The page lists three XMPP channels. I checked if the English and the
> Austrian are still in use. The English channel is out of use. The last
> message is from 2016-11-22. There is currently about *one* message per
> month. When I joined today, one other user was online. (#osm at
> irc.oftc.net has 250 users and is active based on my own observations)
>
> I was unable to check Austrian channel. My account at jabber.ccc.de is
> not able to join, I get an error 403.
>
> I did not check the Slovakian channel.
>
> Are there any objections against moving the English channel into a
> section called "formerly used communication channels"?
>
> The page also lists a Teamspeak server. Because I avoid to install
> proprietary software on my computer, I cannot test if it is in use. Are
> there any objections against moving it to the section "formerly used
> communication channels"? I have never heard of the use of Teamspeak for
> communication inside the OpenStreetMap project.
>
> I will drop a note on the Talk page of that wiki page for those people
> who are interested in that page but do not read this mailing list.
>
> Best regards
>
> Michael
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Cleanup of Wiki Page "Contact_channels"

[Andy Townsend]

On 12/12/2016 19:38, Michael Reichert wrote:

The page lists three XMPP channels.

...

Are there any objections against moving the English channel into a
section called "formerly used communication channels"?
I'd actually delete it - the history of the page will be in the wiki 
history.


Cheers,

Andy


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[OSM-talk] Cleanup of Wiki Page "Contact_channels"

[Michael Reichert]

Hi,

I just wanted to paste the link to
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contact_channels into a message to a
newbie and checked if the content of page is up-to-date. By checking the
page some questions arised:

The page lists three XMPP channels. I checked if the English and the
Austrian are still in use. The English channel is out of use. The last
message is from 2016-11-22. There is currently about *one* message per
month. When I joined today, one other user was online. (#osm at
irc.oftc.net has 250 users and is active based on my own observations)

I was unable to check Austrian channel. My account at jabber.ccc.de is
not able to join, I get an error 403.

I did not check the Slovakian channel.

Are there any objections against moving the English channel into a
section called "formerly used communication channels"?

The page also lists a Teamspeak server. Because I avoid to install
proprietary software on my computer, I cannot test if it is in use. Are
there any objections against moving it to the section "formerly used
communication channels"? I have never heard of the use of Teamspeak for
communication inside the OpenStreetMap project.

I will drop a note on the Talk page of that wiki page for those people
who are interested in that page but do not read this mailing list.

Best regards

Michael


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