Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-04 Thread Simon Poole
Am 04.05.2015 um 00:50 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo: ... I can't help but draw a parallell between OSM and PostgreSQL, which has the same actual product is only owned by a community, but lots of companies offer commercial support structure. Nearly all other big databases are backed by a

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 05/04/2015 09:30 AM, Simon Poole wrote: I'm not sure what utility such an organisation would have (not even touching on the obvious back lash it would provoke), the OSMF and the community already point to the consulting and services

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-03 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 01/05/2015, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Am 01.05.2015 um 02:29 schrieb Nicholas G Lawrence: Exactly why this is necessary is a mystery to me. If business wants to make use of OSM data, they can download the planet file just like anyone else. If business wants to contribute data, or

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-03 Thread Simon Poole
See https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/963 for the PR. Simon Am 01.05.2015 um 11:26 schrieb Simon Poole: I was actually going to suggest something along such lines given that both the Help and About pages are not particularly well used. But didn't want to get in to

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-01 Thread Simon Poole
Am 01.05.2015 um 02:29 schrieb Nicholas G Lawrence: Exactly why this is necessary is a mystery to me. If business wants to make use of OSM data, they can download the planet file just like anyone else. If business wants to contribute data, or donate equipment or sponsor events,

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-01 Thread Colin Smale
I wonder how a marketing department would react if their (potential) customers complained they couldn't find the store. On 2015-05-01 08:47, Simon Poole wrote: Am 01.05.2015 um 02:29 schrieb Nicholas G Lawrence: Exactly why this is necessary is a mystery to me. If business wants

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-01 Thread Simon Poole
Am 01.05.2015 um 08:56 schrieb Colin Smale: I wonder how a marketing department would react if their (potential) customers complained they couldn't find the store. Gary knows very very very well who and how to contact if he actually had a question. Just as the handful of others in the

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-01 Thread Simon Poole
I'm fairly sure that it has been discussed before (for a while pre-redesign we had such a link at least on the German version which we really should still have for legal reasons). I suspects the designers issue is using screen real estate for stuff that is not that often used. It is simply the

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-01 Thread Colin Smale
How about a new page on www.openstreetmap.org behind a new item Contact in the top row menu (which has Help and About)? I am thinking of a page which forwards users according to their scenario: If you would like to contribute to the map as an individual, click here If you would like to

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-01 Thread Tom Hughes
On 01/05/15 09:25, Simon Poole wrote: I'm fairly sure that it has been discussed before (for a while pre-redesign we had such a link at least on the German version which we really should still have for legal reasons). I suspects the designers issue is using screen real estate for stuff that is

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-01 Thread pmailkeey .
I feel OSM has many flaws and one of them is that it's failing to address the flaws adequately. I think the fault lies with the OSM marketing department - what do you mean, we haven't got one ? Another fer instance: ex-mappers should be a swear-word around here. On 1 May 2015 at 10:12, Simon

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-01 Thread Simon Poole
Am 01.05.2015 um 10:48 schrieb Christoph Hormann: ... rant Of course big head at company A usually knows how to quickly get in contact with big head at company B, what really bugs them with OSM is that they are supposed to use the same channels as John Doe. /rant Well less that,

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-01 Thread Johannes Kröger
Just a quick comment that GeoHipster is just a (fun) blog with some tongue-in-cheek atmosphere. There are eg interviews on it and guest posts with very different opinions. Gary's post is his own views. I am not affiliated with GeoHipster, just wanted to clear this up. Cheers, Hannes Anybody

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: It should be pointed out that during 2012 and 2014 and continuing with at least the LWG till today, dozens of companies and organisations (outside of the geo-industry) with questions have had no problems contacting the OSMF and

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-01 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Friday 01 May 2015, Simon Poole wrote: Gary knows very very very well who and how to contact if he actually had a question. Just as the handful of others in the geo-industry moaning, it is simply a meme for you don't conform to our industry norm for a number of things and we think you

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-01 Thread Simon Poole
I was actually going to suggest something along such lines given that both the Help and About pages are not particularly well used. But didn't want to get in to the bike shedding trap, so if I get around to it I'll submit a couple of PRs. Simon Am 01.05.2015 um 10:52 schrieb Tom Hughes: On

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-01 Thread Tom MacWright
Perhaps TeleNav or Bing's lawyers are brave enough to say ODbL is not a problem, or they guess that those entities could absorb the lawsuit. They are the only lawyers who take this stance, and they haven't tested it - neither company provides permanent OSM-derived geocoding. Everywhere else,

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-05-01 Thread Steve Coast
On May 1, 2015, at 7:09 AM, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote: Perhaps TeleNav or Bing's lawyers are brave enough to say ODbL is not a problem, or they guess that those entities could absorb the lawsuit. They are the only lawyers who take this stance, and they haven't tested it -

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

2015-04-30 Thread Steve Coast
I love Gary - I think it’s great that OSM is getting to the point that people will write 100 page critiques of it. We must be doing something right. :-) I actually tried on the single point of contact issue, I think it’d be a great idea for OSM to have a 1-800 (or similar) number. Even manned