[OSM-talk] Hack the Map An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Parveen Arora
Hello Everyone,
I am organising event to do online mapping, to increase the enrichment
of OSM maps, also we have set up a lab to train the students and to
make them able to work on OSM on that day.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hack_the_Map

So My point is that, just like mapping parties include both field work
and computer work.
Hack the Map is the idea to do only computer work, in which
organisers will also set up a lap to do all the mapping at one place
and also to teach others about how to do that and to aware people,
and people interested all over the world can also join them to make
the maps. In this context people joining online can do mapping the
area of slot allotted to them or of there own area, and the people
joining them around the world will be appreciated and there name will
be also included in the page of the event.
This is just and Idea and motive is the Enrichment of OSM Maps.

Please give your valuable suggestions to make it better, also add the
points that you wants to take care about during this kind of online
event event.
Thank You.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Hack the Map An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Martijn van Exel
Parveen,

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Parveen Arora m...@parveenarora.in wrote:
 Hello Everyone,
 I am organising event to do online mapping, to increase the enrichment
 of OSM maps, also we have set up a lab to train the students and to
 make them able to work on OSM on that day.
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hack_the_Map

 So My point is that, just like mapping parties include both field work
 and computer work.
 Hack the Map is the idea to do only computer work, in which
 organisers will also set up a lap to do all the mapping at one place
 and also to teach others about how to do that and to aware people,
 and people interested all over the world can also join them to make
 the maps. In this context people joining online can do mapping the
 area of slot allotted to them or of there own area, and the people
 joining them around the world will be appreciated and there name will
 be also included in the page of the event.
 This is just and Idea and motive is the Enrichment of OSM Maps.

 Please give your valuable suggestions to make it better, also add the
 points that you wants to take care about during this kind of online
 event event.
 Thank You.

 --
 Parveen Arora
 www.parveenarora.in
 E-Mail: o...@parveenarora.in

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Re: [OSM-talk] Hack the Map An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Mike N

On 6/15/2011 4:53 AM, Parveen Arora wrote:

Please give your valuable suggestions to make it better, also add the
points that you wants to take care about during this kind of online
event event.


  Just a note for the local venue - in many recent cases, the student 
edit activities will result in an automatic block on that IP address. 
The automatic block is necessary to block those downloading large areas 
via the API.


   It would be handy to be able to change the external IP address to 
recover from that.




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Re: [OSM-talk] Hack the Map An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Parveen Arora
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:

  Just a note for the local venue - in many recent cases, the student edit
 activities will result in an automatic block on that IP address. The
 automatic block is necessary to block those downloading large areas via the
 API.
You mean to block of IP from where editing is being done?

   It would be handy to be able to change the external IP address to recover
 from that.
But what If I am not allowed to change my external IP address as we
are in college network.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Hack the Map An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:
 On 6/15/2011 4:53 AM, Parveen Arora wrote:

 Please give your valuable suggestions to make it better, also add the
 points that you wants to take care about during this kind of online
 event event.

  Just a note for the local venue - in many recent cases, the student edit
 activities will result in an automatic block on that IP address. The
 automatic block is necessary to block those downloading large areas via the
 API.

   It would be handy to be able to change the external IP address to recover
 from that.

... And to emphasize the importance of zooming in to the smallest
practical area before editing to try to avoid it in the first place.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Hack the Map An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Parveen Arora m...@parveenarora.in wrote:
 Hello Everyone,
 I am organising event to do online mapping, to increase the enrichment
 of OSM maps, also we have set up a lab to train the students and to
 make them able to work on OSM on that day.
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hack_the_Map
[ ... ]
 Please give your valuable suggestions to make it better, also add the
 points that you wants to take care about during this kind of online
 event event.

I'm sure there have been similar events before.  I apologize for being
critical of your event.  It seems to me that training new mappers
about OSM only with armchair mapping techniques misses an important
opportunity.  To be sure, aerial imagery can be a helpful resource
when mapping.  But aerial imagery is only one resource, and it is one
that is often a years-old reference.  Even aerial imagery that is
current offers only a limited perspective.

Please include real field work as part of your event.  It is that real
field work that provides the very best, most current, data to a
mapper.

Best regards,
Richard

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Re: [OSM-talk] Hack the Map An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Mike N

On 6/15/2011 7:00 AM, Parveen Arora wrote:

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Mike Nnice...@att.net  wrote:


  Just a note for the local venue - in many recent cases, the student edit
activities will result in an automatic block on that IP address. The
automatic block is necessary to block those downloading large areas via the
API.

You mean to block of IP from where editing is being done?


  Yes, that is correct.


   It would be handy to be able to change the external IP address to recover
from that.

But what If I am not allowed to change my external IP address as we
are in college network.


  As already noted - go to the highest zoom on the map before switching 
to edit mode for Potlatch.  Minimize browsing in edit mode with Potlatch 
(this is tempting because it works so well).


  For JOSM, obtain likely areas of interest in advance and have it 
available to load from a file.   Note that it will be out of date as 
soon as there is an edit, but students will want to work with the real 
map and see their changes as soon as possible.


  If anyone has a cellphone with tethering capabilities or a MiFi- type 
of device, that could serve as a backup in case the auto API limit takes 
effect.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Hack the Map An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Parveen Arora
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:

First of all, thanks for your valuable response.

 I'm sure there have been similar events before.
Yes, I also thinks that there are many.
 I apologize for being
 critical of your event.  It seems to me that training new mappers
 about OSM only with armchair mapping techniques misses an important
 opportunity.  To be sure, aerial imagery can be a helpful resource
 when mapping.  But aerial imagery is only one resource, and it is one
 that is often a years-old reference.  Even aerial imagery that is
 current offers only a limited perspective.
 Please include real field work as part of your event.  It is that real
 field work that provides the very best, most current, data to a
 mapper.

We are organising mapping parties from last few years at continuous intervals,
and we have also collected the data of large areas and data collected
is also of very rich quality.
But the problem is that we are not finding any satisfactory results.
By analysing and observing all the facts we concluded that most of the
people does not have the exact knowledge of how to edit make correctly
and effectively, some time they also uses  to give wrong tags to nodes
and way-points, which is not a good thing for OSM maps.

So In result we have collected the large amount of data in last
mapping parties which is still pending to upload or not edited
correctly.
So we decided to train the students to edit maps, teaching them field
work to collect data is easy but I think we should  have more
concentrate teach people how to edit maps effectively and correctly.
As most of the people does not prefer to get or read all the pages
available on wiki for there help.
Please correct me If I am wrong.


Thank You.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Hack the Map An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Richard Weait writes:
  Please include real field work as part of your event.  It is that real
  field work that provides the very best, most current, data to a
  mapper.

Just one caveat to Richard's note: It's reasonable to use aerial
photographs as a positional reference for your personal knowledge of
an area. For example, I was just in the Catskills and noted several
things without recording them on my GPS. I can use the aerial photo to
locate the feature I remember even if it's not on the photo because
it's too new or vice-versa in the photo but not on the ground because
it's been dismantled.

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