Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Anti-Fascist? (was: Cease use of OpenStreetMap/Antifa logo)
Frederik Ramm wrote > I agree that OSM should remain un-political where possible, just so that > political squabbles do not interfere with mapping. That's right. I think we'd do well to stop this discussion. There's no point in talking in political terms about what we do. I already have some bad experience with mappers who make such interpretations and use the map to reflect their desires or political ideologies. Those of us who don't participate in that diabolical game always lose out, because of these people and those who keep silent by allowing them to act like this. This is what happens when we mix politics with "what we do" here. The map would be a better place without all of them (and this forum will be a nicer place to visit if we don't talk politics). Greetings from Spain. Regards, Daniel -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/General-Discussion-f5171242.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Anti-Fascist? (was: Cease use of OpenStreetMap/Antifa logo)
Am Do., 13. Feb. 2020 um 14:28 Uhr schrieb Frederik Ramm < frede...@remote.org>: > where governments propose or make laws that would > make it harder for us to map, I think we should oppose that in a > structured way, as an organisation - provided we have the time and > energy for that. +1, I agree, but ultimately this means we would act politically (as an organization). Cheers Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Anti-Fascist? (was: Cease use of OpenStreetMap/Antifa logo)
Hi, I agree that OSM should remain un-political where possible, just so that political squabbles do not interfere with mapping. At one "Local Chapters Congress" at one of the recent SotM conferences, I remember someone from an African country saying that they already faced difficulties setting up an OSM organisation in that country because other people believed OSM was something subversive that would threaten established powers and values. And what we do is of course subversive when viewed from an authoritarian perspective (what, everyone to make their own maps that are not government-sanctioned, how dare you). I agree with Florian that OSM is deeply anti-Fascist in what it does, but that is as far as it goes: The things we do go against authoritarianism, against Fascism - we as a group or we as and organisation do not, and we do not endorse political organisations, be they pro or anti Fascist. Our official position should be that we are apolitical, even if our activities might not be! On the other hand, where governments propose or make laws that would make it harder for us to map, I think we should oppose that in a structured way, as an organisation - provided we have the time and energy for that. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
