2010/8/23 Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de:
BTW: @Felix Hartmann
using words like
so fuck off.
shows that you don't have arguments. So step back - defamation is alsways a
sign of weakness. Learn a good conduct before you continues with the
discussion.
to be fair: he didn't write
On 23 August 2010 16:21, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
I also agree it would be absurd to have OSM handle over the account
data of its contributors (and is against almost any privacy law at
least in Europe). There is also no logics in that: people who want to
can simply
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:21 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
2010/8/23 Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de:
BTW: @Felix Hartmann
using words like
so fuck off.
shows that you don't have arguments. So step back - defamation is alsways
a
sign of weakness.
Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a
future without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers as
possible to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people who want to
contribute under CCBYSA2.0 terms, and put pressure on OSMF and others to
tell them
On Sunday 22 August 2010, Felix Hartmann wrote:
This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the
usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0 fork
without new registration.
How about you start with your own mailing lists?
robert.
On 22.08.2010 12:26, Robert Scott wrote:
On Sunday 22 August 2010, Felix Hartmann wrote:
This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the
usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0 fork
without new registration.
How about you start with your own mailing
More talk from the folk who would rather brush everyone else's concerns
under the carpet I see? I seriously look on OSM in despair at the moment
with comments like that.
Jeni
On 22/08/2010 11:26, Robert Scott wrote:
How about you start with your own mailing lists?
Felix,
Felix Hartmann wrote:
Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future
without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers as
possible to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people who want to
contribute under CCBYSA2.0 terms, and put pressure on
On 22 August 2010 20:58, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
This is not a good starting position for a fork. I'd rather have somone do
it who doesn't do it out of blind protest and political propaganda.
License disputes is one of the more common reasons for forks to occur.
Felix Hartmann schrieb:
Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a
future without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers
as possible to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people who want
to contribute under CCBYSA2.0 terms, and put pressure on OSMF
Hi,
John Smith wrote:
This is not a good starting position for a fork. I'd rather have somone do
it who doesn't do it out of blind protest and political propaganda.
License disputes is one of the more common reasons for forks to occur.
Yes, but it can be done clear-headed and without
On 22.08.2010 12:58, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Felix,
Felix Hartmann wrote:
Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a
future without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers
as possible to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people who
want to contribute
On 22 August 2010 21:09, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Yes, but it can be done clear-headed and without hatred. They want this, we
Considering how heated the debate over the license is, do you
seriously think this won't happen on similar topics as well?
want that, ok we do our
On 22 August 2010 21:12, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote:
On Sunday 22 August 2010, Jenny Campbell wrote:
everyone else's concerns
You are trying to make it sound like there are a huge number of people that
agree with you. Perhaps you genuinely believe that. If so I think you are
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Felix Hartmann
extremecar...@googlemail.com wrote:
This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the
usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0 fork
without new registration.
If you must fork, fork the data (planet.osm),
Le dimanche 22 août 2010 à 13:08, Florian Heer a écrit :
This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the
usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0 fork
without new registration.
I think this could be a real problem. Because I for one do not agree
On 22 August 2010 22:06, Renaud MICHEL r.h.michel+...@gmail.com wrote:
Although my login informations in OSM are not very sensible, I expect them
to be reasonably confidential and only accessible to a few administrators.
I have no problem if the data I contributed is copied by [one or
Am 22.08.2010 14:06, schrieb Renaud MICHEL:
I have no problem if the data I contributed is copied by [one or multiple]
fork (that's why a full history dump has been created, cf
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/full-experimental/ ), but as those forks
would be different projects I expect the
Hi,
forgive my ignorance, but are the licenses not some how compatible?
I mean the work has been done up to now under ccsa20 and compatible license.
So that means that the new license allows data from ccsa20 to be
ported over, right?
or do you need the permission of the new authors?
if people want
I don't think making passwords publicly available is a good idea, but
it might be a sign of good faith on OSM(F)'s behalf if it were to
facilitate an easy method for people waiting to claim their
account/edits on a forked database.
I hope you are kidding... When someone signed-up at OSM there
Felix Hartmann schrieb:
Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future
without Odbl.
If you do that, please do it on your own servers, mailing lists, and
community, and with your own new project name, as a real fork of any
project should do.
Robert Kaiser
On 22 August 2010 13:08, Florian Heer florianheerf...@yahoo.de wrote:
Felix Hartmann schrieb:
Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future
without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers as possible
to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people
I am not against a fork,
but as Frederik already mentioned, there is no to debate about a fork and
spread anti-odbl propaganda. There are other good reasons to fork, for me
one of them is getting a more distributed database instead of everything in
a single farm on a single location.
I would not
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote:
Felix Hartmann schrieb:
Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future
without Odbl.
If you do that, please do it on your own servers, mailing lists, and
community, and with your own new project
Le dimanche 22 août 2010 à 14:13, vous avez écrit :
If, after some though, I decide I prefer to work on a fork, then I will
create a new account there, possibly using the same user name if it is
still available, or a new one.
I don't think making passwords publicly available is a good
Le dimanche 22 août 2010 à 16:58, Milo van der Linden a écrit :
- Changing from mysql to postgresql/postgis as the core database
This one has already been done during the API 0.6 switch, see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers/smaug
So this is actually a reason to fork for the pro-mysql
Anthony schrieb:
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote:
Felix Hartmann schrieb:
Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future
without Odbl.
If you do that, please do it on your own servers, mailing lists, and
community, and with your
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Op 22-08-10 18:04, Renaud MICHEL schreef:
Le dimanche 22 août 2010 à 16:58, Milo van der Linden a écrit :
- Changing from mysql to postgresql/postgis as the core database
This one has already been done during the API 0.6 switch, see
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:13 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think making passwords publicly available is a good idea, but
it might be a sign of good faith on OSM(F)'s behalf if it were to
facilitate an easy method for people waiting to claim their
account/edits on a
Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Felix Hartmann
extremecar...@googlemail.com mailto:extremecar...@googlemail.com wrote:
This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the
usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0
fork
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com wrote:
When I signed up for an account with OSM I didn't realize that my account
information was going into a database that was also CCBYSA.
It's not. This is just the dream of the forkers and then lots of
random commenters.
-
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com wrote:
When I signed up for an account with OSM I didn't realize that my account
information was going into a database that was also CCBYSA.
It wasn't, although arguably, the entire database (including
usernames, passwords, and
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com wrote:
Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Felix Hartmann
extremecar...@googlemail.com mailto:extremecar...@googlemail.com
wrote:
This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get
Felix Hartmann wrote:
As I stated, my goal is to have OSM to continue under CCBYSA2.0
As I see it CCBYSA is not a goal but a tool. Before asking us to work with
- and to give our new data to - your project, it would be fair to tell us
what your real goals are. Then ask some layers if CCBYSA is
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