Re: [OSM-talk] Turn Restrictions Editor

2009-11-03 Thread John McKerrell
I think CloudMade's Mapzen flash editor is intending to do just this, and other specific purpose mapping scenarios: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapzen On 3 Nov 2009, at 00:10, Ian Dees wrote: Has anyone attempted to write a turn restriction editor? I suppose it would be best suited

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn Restrictions Editor

2009-11-03 Thread Lester Caine
Ian Dees wrote: Has anyone attempted to write a turn restriction editor? I suppose it would be best suited as a JOSM plugin, but I suppose it would also work as a web app or something via OAuth. It would be nice to show a GUI where intersecting ways are shown up close with an editor to

[OSM-talk] Turn Restrictions Editor

2009-11-02 Thread Ian Dees
Has anyone attempted to write a turn restriction editor? I suppose it would be best suited as a JOSM plugin, but I suppose it would also work as a web app or something via OAuth. It would be nice to show a GUI where intersecting ways are shown up close with an editor to describe the lanes, where

[OSM-talk] Turn restrictions

2009-10-05 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi, I have one question for turn restrictions gurus :) Have you used http://keepright.ipax.at site for error checking? I got a message that turn restriction has no type tag. I have used wiki for getting to know how to use turn restrictions, and there the examples given on the page:

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions

2009-10-05 Thread Tobias Knerr
Valent Turkovic wrote: I have used wiki for getting to know how to use turn restrictions, and there the examples given on the page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:restriction type tag is not used. The type tag is listed in the tags section on that page. The examples were added

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions

2009-05-26 Thread Teemu Koskinen
On Tue, 26 May 2009 08:44:54 +0300, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: I've searched the wiki and I have used the tag myself, but there seems to be no documentation for restriction= ? How do you tag a restriction on a crossing between a major and a minor road where the major road is

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions

2009-05-26 Thread Maarten Deen
Cartinus wrote: On Tuesday 26 May 2009 07:44:54 Maarten Deen wrote: I've searched the wiki and I have used the tag myself, but there seems to be no documentation for restriction= ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:restriction Thanks, I knew it was somewhere, but the wiki search

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions

2009-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Maarten Deen wrote: I've searched the wiki and I have used the tag myself, but there seems to be no documentation for restriction= ? This is, in fact, documented. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:restriction signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions

2009-05-26 Thread Thomas Wood
2009/5/26 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: Cartinus wrote: On Tuesday 26 May 2009 07:44:54 Maarten Deen wrote: I've searched the wiki and I have used the tag myself, but there seems to be no documentation for restriction= ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:restriction Thanks, I

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-24 Thread Lambertus
What is your problem with having way sections between each intersection instead of one long way? The AND data in the Netherlands has ways that go only from intersection to intersection, we already split the ways at bridges, tunnels, maxspeed changes, name changes etc. Apparently the method of

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-24 Thread Ed Loach
What is your problem with having way sections between each intersection instead of one long way? I don't have a problem with splitting ways, as that is what I've always done to add the relevant tags to the relevant section. But I can understand that there is a bit of an issue with doing such a

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-24 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:01:20 +0100, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: What is your problem with having way sections between each intersection instead of one long way? I don't have a problem with splitting ways, as that is what I've always done to add the relevant tags to the relevant

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-24 Thread Teemu Koskinen
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:01:20 +0300, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: What is your problem with having way sections between each intersection instead of one long way? I don't have a problem with splitting ways, as that is what I've always done to add the relevant tags to the relevant

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-24 Thread kaerast
Ed Loach wrote: I don't know how routing engines work out when one way at a junction has priority over another (or whether they even bother - I guess the best available at present is to compare names and/or refs). Why do we need to know which way has priority? Yes it is nice to know some

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:13 AM, kaerast kaer...@qvox.org wrote: Why do we need to know which way has priority?  Yes it is nice to know some times, but no other maps show this and it just isn't necessary.  It tends to be slower roads which you need to give way on, and these are already given

[OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread SteveC
I don't see a clear explanation as to why there is ambiguity if you don't do turn restrictions at the end of ways on the wiki. There is some stuff in the talk page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Relation:restriction Anyone care to provide an explanation? The reason I ask is

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Teemu Koskinen
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:34:05 +0300, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I don't see a clear explanation as to why there is ambiguity if you don't do turn restrictions at the end of ways on the wiki. There is some stuff in the talk page

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread SteveC
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:34:05 +0300, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I don't see a clear explanation as to why there is ambiguity if you don't do turn restrictions at the end of ways on the wiki. There is some stuff in the talk page

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Teemu Koskinen
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:25:36 +0300, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:34:05 +0300, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I don't see a clear explanation as to why there is ambiguity if you don't do turn restrictions at the

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
SteveC wrote: On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: If both from and to ways continue after the via point and neither is one-way, there's two possible ways to interpret it: the restriction could apply when coming from either of the ends of the from-way. This of course doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread SteveC
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:32, Teemu Koskinen wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:25:36 +0300, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:34:05 +0300, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I don't see a clear explanation as to why there is

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread SteveC
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:34, Tobias Knerr wrote: SteveC wrote: On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: If both from and to ways continue after the via point and neither is one-way, there's two possible ways to interpret it: the restriction could apply when coming from either of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread David Lynch
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 14:45, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 14:25, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: If both from and to ways continue after the via point and neither is one-way, there's two possible ways to interpret it: the restriction could apply when

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/4/23 SteveC st...@asklater.com: On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:32, Teemu Koskinen wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:25:36 +0300, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:34:05 +0300, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I don't see a

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
SteveC schrieb: Ok so in that case... why don't we make best practice to split your way A in to two directions, rather than hundreds of little ways? You mean something like that ^A1 |A2 | | | | | | B ---*-*-- | | | | | v with

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread David Earl
If one were to refer to nodes on the two ways instead of the way itself, it would remove the ambiguity wouldn't it? Albeit more complicated for the consumer to work out, in that it would have to decide which way the two nodes were on. |A *a | c| b

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:56:09 +0200, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/23 SteveC st...@asklater.com: On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:32, Teemu Koskinen wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:25:36 +0300, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: On

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/4/23 Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:56:09 +0200, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Or something like this is common: B  C  \  |   \ |    \|     |     |     A where the straight line is considered a turn even though it's

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
David Earl schrieb: If one were to refer to nodes on the two ways instead of the way itself, it would remove the ambiguity wouldn't it? There was a proposal that suggested exactly that, xrestriction: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Relation:xrestriction Hasn't been used a lot.

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 23 Apr 2009, at 22:56, andrzej zaborowski wrote: 2009/4/23 SteveC st...@asklater.com: On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:32, Teemu Koskinen wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:25:36 +0300, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:34:05

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Matt Amos
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:16 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: If one were to refer to nodes on the two ways instead of the way itself, it would remove the ambiguity wouldn't it? Albeit more complicated for the consumer to work out, in that it would have to decide which way the

[OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances?

2008-10-22 Thread Matias D'Ambrosio
What is the opposite of a turn restriction? I can't find it and no one answers on IRC. Turning left is forbidden everywhere in my country on two way roads when there is no specific traffic light for it, and I assume it's the same in many other countries. Without a turning left allowed

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances?

2008-10-22 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Matias D'Ambrosio wrote: Sent: 22 October 2008 8:21 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances? What is the opposite of a turn restriction? I can't find it and no one answers on IRC. Turning left is forbidden everywhere in my country on two way roads when

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances?

2008-10-22 Thread Matias D'Ambrosio
On Wednesday 22 October 2008 18:06:10 you wrote: Matias D'Ambrosio wrote: Sent: 22 October 2008 8:21 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances? What is the opposite of a turn restriction? I can't find it and no one answers on IRC. Turning left

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances?

2008-10-22 Thread Stephen Hope
) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Matias D'Ambrosio wrote: Sent: 22 October 2008 8:21 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances? What is the opposite of a turn restriction? I can't find it and no one answers on IRC. Turning left is forbidden everywhere in my country

[OSM-talk] Turn restrictions again

2008-06-29 Thread Nic Roets
I've create an proposal for turn restrictions. It's at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relation:xrestriction ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions again

2008-06-29 Thread Thomas Wood
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Nic Roets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've create an proposal for turn restrictions. It's at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relation:xrestriction I do not see how Relation:restriction does not allow mappers to unambiguously specify any of the 16

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions again

2008-06-29 Thread Nic Roets
Ways NS and EW cross at X. Tell me how to encode all these combinations : 1. I travel North in NS and turn left at X 2. I travel North in NS and turn right at X 3. I travel North in NS straight through X 4. I travel North in NS and make a U-turn at X Now replace 'North' with 'South' and you have 8

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions again

2008-06-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I've create an proposal for turn restrictions. It's at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relation:xrestriction I see no problem in splitting a way at an intersection where it is part of a turn restriction, thus nicely solving all ambiguity. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ##

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions again

2008-06-29 Thread Nic Roets
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I hope you at least see a few small problems : 1. Mappers may not think about coming from the other side and forget to split. (unless the validator flags it). 2. The more split ways we have, the more difficult it is to keep all the tags up to date (esp outside