Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-29 Thread Russ Nelson
Tom Hughes writes: For the record I personally was perfectly happy to see things like long obliterated railways removed from the standard rendering. Railway=dismantled was never in the standard rendering. It was railway=abandoned which was removed. I think you should be less than perfectly

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-26 Thread SomeoneElse
On 25/07/2014 20:18, Andy Street wrote: Yes this is a bug. I would have reported it myself but it appears that you need a GitHub account to do that rather than a standard OSM account. Please feel free to report it on my behalf. For info, I've created

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Andy Street
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:51:24 -0700 Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: * Cleaning up path rendering on low zooms (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/747) Is there any chance this could be tweaked slightly? A lot of the public footpaths near me are now disappearing

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
It is a tagging error to tag public footways as access=private. Can you give an example? It seems that I miss something in this case. 2014-07-25 13:52 GMT+02:00 Andy Street a...@street.me.uk: On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:51:24 -0700 Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: * Cleaning up path

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Cartinus
No, it is not a tagging error. It is a direct result of the unholy mess created by the definition of the path tag. Often the only way to tag working access restrictions on highway=path, is to first close it with access=no/private and then opening it up with more specific tags like

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Andy Street
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 13:58:18 +0200 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: It is a tagging error to tag public footways as access=private. Can you give an example? It seems that I miss something in this case. It's a public footpath i.e. private property over which the public has been

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread SomeoneElse
On 25/07/2014 13:21, Andy Street wrote: It's a public footpath i.e. private property over which the public has been granted a right of access (on foot). Since everything but pedestrian access is not permitted it therefore tagged as access=private, foot=yes. This isn't Andy's example, but is

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
IMHO it is a tagging error as it should be tagged as [highway=footway; foot=permissive] Using yes rather than permissive also seems to be wrong in this case. 2014-07-25 14:21 GMT+02:00 Andy Street a...@street.me.uk: On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 13:58:18 +0200 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Andreas Goss
Am 7/25/14 14:21 , schrieb Andy Street: It's a public footpath i.e. private property over which the public has been granted a right of access (on foot). Since everything but pedestrian access is not permitted it therefore tagged as access=private, foot=yes. Not an expert here, but this sounds

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread SomeoneElse
On 25/07/2014 13:41, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: IMHO it is a tagging error as it should be tagged as [highway=footway; foot=permissive] Using yes rather than permissive also seems to be wrong in this case. Is my highway=track example also a tagging error? Cheers, Andy

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Andy Street
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:16:34 +0200 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: No, it is not a tagging error. It is a direct result of the unholy mess created by the definition of the path tag. Often the only way to tag working access restrictions on highway=path, is to first close it with

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
I was under the impression more shops would be displayed than previously? So far I'm seeing fewer, a notable example being liquor stores that have now vanished from visual. Examples: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2939951075 http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2125818740 Also worrying that

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Andy Street
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:41:44 +0200 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO it is a tagging error as it should be tagged as [highway=footway; foot=permissive] Using yes rather than permissive also seems to be wrong in this case. It isn't permissive as the landowner does not have the

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
From this description - I would tag it as highway=footway (as for public it is a footway and I guess that it is used primarily as footway, not as a driveway) with vehicle=private (as owner may use it this way). I am unsure about value of foot tag, but I probably would leave default value as

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Both linked shops are displayed. 2014-07-25 14:59 GMT+02:00 Jóhannes Birgir Jensson j...@betra.is: I was under the impression more shops would be displayed than previously? So far I'm seeing fewer, a notable example being liquor stores that have now vanished from visual. Examples:

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
On my screen I see a purple dot in zoom 19, the address number at zoom 18 and nothing in zoom 17. Before I was a basket with a wine bottle or similar. Þann 25.07.2014 13:04, Mateusz Konieczny reit: Both linked shops are displayed. 2014-07-25 14:59 GMT+02:00 Jóhannes Birgir Jensson

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Still, I think that it is better to use cascading tags - put as much valuable info in basic tags (highway and access in this case) so it is not be necessary to process all tags to achieve good results. So [highway=footway] it can be used by pedestrians, maybe [highway=footway; vehicle=private] it

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
Addendum: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2939951086 is a sport shop, only displayed as the address number as well. On my screen I see a purple dot in zoom 19, the address number at zoom 18 and nothing in zoom 17. Before a liquor store was a basket with a wine bottle or similar. So I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-07-25 15:03 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: From this description - I would tag it as highway=footway (as for public it is a footway and I guess that it is used primarily as footway, not as a driveway) with vehicle=private (as owner may use it this way). I am unsure

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread SomeoneElse
On 25/07/2014 14:03, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: From this description - I would tag it as highway=footway (as for public it is a footway and I guess that it is used primarily as footway, not as a driveway) It's not used primarily as a footway - it's primarily a track used to access farmland

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Tom Hughes
On 25/07/14 14:51, SomeoneElse wrote: I do get the impression that these changes haven't really been thought through at all - no thought given to what the impact will be worldwide (as opposed to a couple of well-mapped cities), no thought about tablet or phone access, no attempt at QA (to let

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Tom Hughes
On 25/07/14 15:20, SomeoneElse wrote: On 25/07/2014 15:03, Tom Hughes wrote: How about assuming good intent ... No-one's suggesting anything other than people wanting to make the standard layer better. It's better for what that's the issue. I think that we ought to be making a map style

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread SomeoneElse
On 25/07/2014 15:03, Tom Hughes wrote: How about assuming good intent ... No-one's suggesting anything other than people wanting to make the standard layer better. It's better for what that's the issue. I think that we ought to be making a map style that better helps people navigate to

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Andy Street
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:18:16 +0200 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: [highway=footway; vehicle=private] it can be used by pedestrians but some people may drive here The trouble is that you are merging the distinction between highway and access. Your example above would, to me,

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread SomeoneElse
On 25/07/2014 15:26, Tom Hughes wrote: Traditionally we have always said that out web site is aimed at supporting mappers That certainly used to be the case, but the most recent series of changes have all being about showing less rather than showing more. How does that support mappers?

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Tom Hughes
On 25/07/14 15:33, SomeoneElse wrote: On 25/07/2014 15:26, Tom Hughes wrote: For the record I personally was perfectly happy to see things like long obliterated railways removed from the standard rendering. We never (well not for 5 years or so?) rendered dismantled railways - it's the

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-07-25 16:38 GMT+02:00 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu: I would dispute the claim that the Hertford East-North link is in any way a significant feature in the landscape. Looking at this http://www.hertford.net/images/Hertford_East_Sidings.jpg it seems to be. looking here it doesn't seem to

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Christian Quest
2014-07-25 16:20 GMT+02:00 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: On 25/07/2014 15:03, Tom Hughes wrote: How about assuming good intent ... No-one's suggesting anything other than people wanting to make the standard layer better. It's better for what that's the issue. I think that we

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes (nature_reserve highway=services)

2014-07-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
The issue with services seems to be already noticed and fixed - see https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/730 2014-07-25 16:30 GMT+02:00 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Hi Good to see updates for the mapnik rendering. Unsure if these two problems are directly linked to

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Tom Hughes
On 25/07/14 15:42, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-07-25 16:38 GMT+02:00 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu mailto:t...@compton.nu: I would dispute the claim that the Hertford East-North link is in any way a significant feature in the landscape. Looking at this

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Friday 25 July 2014, Christian Quest wrote: On the first zoom levels, I think we can put the priority on map users a little bit more... but as map contributors are more checking their work at the highest zoom levels we should stick with strict rendering showing errors. Doing more than that

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 25 July 2014 12:52, Andy Street a...@street.me.uk wrote: * Cleaning up path rendering on low zooms (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/747) Is there any chance this could be tweaked slightly? A lot of the public footpaths near me are now disappearing completely at

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 25 July 2014 13:59, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson j...@betra.is wrote: I was under the impression more shops would be displayed than previously? So far I'm seeing fewer, a notable example being liquor stores that have now vanished from visual. Examples:

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi Tom, On 25 July 2014 15:26, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Traditionally we have always said that out web site is aimed at supporting mappers and not at providing end user services like helping people navigate - we provide the data to let other people build services like that. I have

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes (nature_reserve highway=services)

2014-07-25 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 25 July 2014 15:30, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: highway=services (ie service stations where you can get a drink/meal etc) as an area are rendering as a high level layer hiding detail such as car parks. Can this be put at a lower level? I created an issue for that here:

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread Andy Street
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 18:01:40 +0100 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: On 25 July 2014 12:52, Andy Street a...@street.me.uk wrote: * Cleaning up path rendering on low zooms (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/747) Is there any chance this could be

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes (nature_reserve highway=services)

2014-07-25 Thread Dave F.
So it is. Just came through now, with a bit of refreshing. Thanks Dave F. On 25/07/2014 15:57, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: The issue with services seems to be already noticed and fixed - see https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/730 2014-07-25 16:30 GMT+02:00 Dave F.

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread James Mast
I just hope that the 'tertiary_link' casing problem can be fixed soon. In some places, that looks horrible. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-25 Thread James Mast
I just hope that the 'tertiary_link' casing problem can be fixed soon. In some places, that looks horrible. https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/753 -James

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-23 Thread Janko Mihelić
It's great to see the default map layer finally moving forward! Janko ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-23 Thread François Lacombe
+1. Really great job, thank you guys :) *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2014-07-23 11:38 GMT+02:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: It's great to see the default map layer finally moving forward! Janko

[OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-22 Thread Paul Norman
v2.17.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet has been released, though not yet deployed on tile.osm.org. Significant changes include * Rendering other shop values with a generic icon (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/604) * Rendering wider road shields, and converting