Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-23 Thread Sylvain Maillard
For my last question, I get the answer in the first email of this thread : "Currently it compares major highways (unclassified and higher) and water features" => tracks are not (yet) compared ! I don't want to focus work where google has buy data, it was more a test for this new tool ... These ar

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-22 Thread Simon Poole
Aren't these canals/drains/etc and not tracks? In any case I would suggest concentrating on OSM and not on what google has/or not. Most of google data is simply purchased when they feel a need to do so (for example like in Germany two years ago when they where so hopelessly behind OSM that they ha

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-22 Thread Sylvain Maillard
Hi, in France we also have some tools to show/compare with external datasets. One of them is regarding the highways ( http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=15&lat=45.73849&lon=4.83066&layers=000BTFF) but I find it way more readable than yours with google data ( http://compare.osm-tools.org/?z

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 20/set/2014, alle ore 21:10, John F. Eldredge > ha scritto: > > So, you feel that any road which isn't classified as highway=residential, > highway=service, or highway=track is a major road? I agree that the term major is relative, to me this would be secondary (or even prima

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-20 Thread colliar
Am 20.09.2014 21:10, schrieb John F. Eldredge:> On 09/18/2014 11:07 AM, Stephan Knauss wrote: >> Dave F. writes: >> >>> On 17/09/2014 23:30, Stephan Knauss wrote: In Google the road is listed as a major highway. >>> Are you interpreting this data from Google's visual render or >>> extracting i

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-20 Thread John F. Eldredge
On 09/18/2014 11:07 AM, Stephan Knauss wrote: Dave F. writes: On 17/09/2014 23:30, Stephan Knauss wrote: In Google the road is listed as a major highway. Are you interpreting this data from Google's visual render or extracting it from their database? It's coming from their database. Google

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-18 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Am 12.09.2014 23:02, schrieb Michael Kugelmann: Am 09.09.2014 09:22, schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: It would be useful to allow switching between diff, OSM only and google only. Currently in my area results are too confusing to be useful. +1, same to me... the cross added by Stepahn helped a lot

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
Great tool! Found one canal that needed mapping in my area. I'm guessing this will be great for countries that are badly mapped, and you need to find quickly what areas need your attention. Janko 2014-09-18 18:48 GMT+02:00 Dave F. : > On 18/09/2014 17:07, Stephan Knauss wrote: > >> >> It's comin

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-18 Thread Dave F.
On 18/09/2014 17:07, Stephan Knauss wrote: It's coming from their database. Google does expose a classification through the v3 API. My map does consider the road types "arterial" and "highway" as major and "local" as minor. For OSM data unclassified and higher is considered major. OK. Ignor

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-18 Thread Stephan Knauss
Dave F. writes: On 17/09/2014 23:30, Stephan Knauss wrote: In Google the road is listed as a major highway. Are you interpreting this data from Google's visual render or extracting it from their database? It's coming from their database. Google does expose a classification through the v3

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-18 Thread Stephan Knauss
Pieren writes: Strange, I don't see this on googleMaps from France. And this street is also a minor residential road in the official highway classification (IGN Route 500 - which is a souce we are allowed to use but is not mandatory for OSM). So this is another case in which Google data is inc

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-18 Thread Dave F.
On 17/09/2014 23:30, Stephan Knauss wrote: In Google the road is listed as a major highway. Are you interpreting this data from Google's visual render or extracting it from their database? Dave F. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is acti

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-18 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Stephan Knauss wrote: > When you have a closer look at the data you notice that in OSM the "Rue > Marcel Mérieux" is classified as highway=residential. This is a minor road > classification. > In Google the road is listed as a major highway. > > As this is a dif

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-17 Thread Stephan Knauss
Salut Sylvain, On 16.09.2014 14:14, Sylvain Maillard wrote: I look at your map for Lyon, and don't understand most of the "missing road" that your tool is showing ... an example with http://compare.osm-tools.org/?zoom=15&lat=45.73417&lon=4.82971&layers=BT00F : the road is there in both maps and

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-16 Thread Sylvain Maillard
Hi, I look at your map for Lyon, and don't understand most of the "missing road" that your tool is showing ... an example with http://compare.osm-tools.org/?zoom=15&lat=45.73417&lon=4.82971&layers=BT00F : the road is there in both maps and seems to have the same kind of attributes (oneway and clas

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-15 Thread SomeoneElse
On 15/09/2014 08:53, Stephan Knauss wrote: So actually a map with no diff is good. At least a good indication that the map is not missing something important. Assuming for a moment that Google data is a perfect reference (which is not as we all know). Unfortunately, "we" (as in all OSM users

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-15 Thread Stephan Knauss
On 15.09.2014 01:38, Dave F. wrote: On 14/09/2014 13:56, Stephan Knauss wrote: First and most important: It can't tell you which data is better. It just shows the differences. Then maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by: "So in a "perfect" area the map would be grey." Hm, I think I underst

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-14 Thread Dave F.
On 14/09/2014 13:56, Stephan Knauss wrote: Hello Dave, First and most important: It can't tell you which data is better. It just shows the differences. Then maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by: "So in a "perfect" area the map would be grey." For clarification could you explain what

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-14 Thread Stephan Knauss
On 09.09.2014 09:22, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: It would be useful to allow switching between diff, OSM only and google only. Currently in my area results are too confusing to be useful. I have added a cross-hair to the center of the map. This should make it easier to focus on a specific feature

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-14 Thread Stephan Knauss
Hello Dave, On 14.09.2014 12:27, Dave F. wrote: Apart from being confusing to understand & use, you're making the false assumption that it's the Google data which is correct. In my area the only red lines are either where Google maps are inaccurate or there's an error in your algorithm as there'

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-14 Thread Dave F.
Stephan Apart from being confusing to understand & use, you're making the false assumption that it's the Google data which is correct. In my area the only red lines are either where Google maps are inaccurate or there's an error in your algorithm as there's no difference between OSM & Google.

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:37 AM, Stephan Knauss wrote: > All these map-compare services including mine just point you to an area > which needs more love. They are very within the bounds of the TOS of the > individual services. Still seems like there would be a better way to do this, against pub

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-12 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Am 09.09.2014 09:22, schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: It would be useful to allow switching between diff, OSM only and google only. Currently in my area results are too confusing to be useful. +1, same to me... Cheers, Michael. ___ talk mailing list tal

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-11 Thread Stephan Knauss
Hello Bryce, On 11.09.2014 08:26, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: All contributors should keep in mind the terms of service for Google maps, OSM, and copyright laws in general. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright_Easter_Eggs This is one of the general rules in OSM that we don't copy from other

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-10 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
All contributors should keep in mind the terms of service for Google maps, OSM, and copyright laws in general. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright_Easter_Eggs ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-10 Thread Stephan Knauss
On 09.09.2014 09:22, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: It would be useful to allow switching between diff, OSM only and google only. Currently in my area results are too confusing to be useful. compare.osm-tools.org does focus on highlighting the "missing" roads and water features. If your area is stil

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-09 Thread SomeoneElse
On 09/09/2014 08:11, Stephan Knauss wrote: I have created a map which visually diffs our data against Google Maps. I can see how Google could find this useful locally to me - it would enable them to remove some of the roads on their map that don't exist, like the one to a coal mine that clos

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
It would be useful to allow switching between diff, OSM only and google only. Currently in my area results are too confusing to be useful. 2014-09-09 9:11 GMT+02:00 Stephan Knauss : > I did announce this on the German list last week. As the load did not > cause the server to catch fire I'm now an

[OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-09 Thread Stephan Knauss
I did announce this on the German list last week. As the load did not cause the server to catch fire I'm now announcing it to a wider audience. I have created a map which visually diffs our data against Google Maps. Currently it compares major highways (unclassified and higher) and water featur