Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-31 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El día Thursday 30 July 2009 13:31:25, Maarten Deen dijo: I have never seen a different sign for mopeds, HGV's or vehicles with a caravan, it is always the maximum for all vehicles. http://www.joseramonmartinez.com/2005/11/25/senales-para-tanques/

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-31 Thread Tobias Knerr
John Smith wrote: It's basically there to decide whether to use colons as in your example or switch to something like maxspeed[wet][forward][motorcycle]. Why? Well, because those time conditions tend to have colons in You split based on the equal sign and it doesn't matter that the time

[OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:44:32AM +0200, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: In that one case it's okay. Reason: * There can only be ONE maxspeed on a road. ever! Please add per direction on a road. Still waiting for a good way to tag maxspeed per direction. What we call a

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org wrote: Probably a maxspeed:forward=50 + maxspeed:reverse=100 or something - How does this combine with wet and probably even vehicle based limits ... maxspeed:forward:motorcycle=50 I've been setting maxspeed to the lowest value and then

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Maarten Deen
Florian Lohoff wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:44:32AM +0200, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: In that one case it's okay. Reason: * There can only be ONE maxspeed on a road. ever! Please add per direction on a road. Still waiting for a good way to tag maxspeed per direction. What

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Liz
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Florian Lohoff wrote: In that one case it's okay. Reason: * There can only be ONE maxspeed on a road. ever! Please add per direction on a road. at a given time. (we have reduced maxspeed in front of schools depending on time, day and whether it is term time)

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: at a given time. (we have reduced maxspeed in front of schools depending on time, day and whether it is term time) There are other roads that have variable limit speed signs and they can change at any time. There is also changes in

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: at a given time. (we have reduced maxspeed in front of schools depending on time, day and whether it is term time) There are other roads that have variable limit speed signs and they can

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: And in my own jurisdiction: to be able to set maxspeed=none for bicycles when there is no explicit maxspeed sign. :D bikes have the same speed limits here as every other thing on wheels, and even horses for that matter, and you can get

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: And in my own jurisdiction: to be able to set maxspeed=none for bicycles when there is no explicit maxspeed sign. :D bikes have the same speed limits here as every other thing on wheels, and

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Lennard
2009/7/30 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: bikes have the same speed limits here as every other thing on wheels, and even horses for that matter, and you can get tickets like all the other wheeled vehicles and even get done for drink driving on horses and ride on lawn mowers. That's

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Maarten Deen
marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:41:07 +0200, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Florian Lohoff wrote: Not only in a corner. In Germany the A3, going down the Elzer Berg (near Limburg an der Lahn in the eastward direction) has a speedlimit of 40 km/h on the

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Maarten Deen
Lennard wrote: Exactly, it's a moot point, and I included it mostly to make the point that there are so many subtle ways to handle maxspeed, that it would be difficult to make an all-encompassing tagging scheme. At some point, you'll just have to go with a generalized solution. The general

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Lennard
Lennard wrote: The general solution is maxspeed is the highest of the maxspeeds of all classes of vehicle on that road. See also the signs we have in continental europe when you enter a country: there is usually a large sign specifying the maximum speeds on different roads (within town,

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: In that case, your 100/100/40 example is easily collapsed into maxspeed=100. Let's see ... Hey, that's the current tagging scheme, already! Why did we need a change? :-) Current GPSr's are only capable of knowing within 10m, most lanes

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Tobias Knerr
Florian Lohoff wrote: maxspeed:wet:forward:motorcycle=50 Afterwards add time based maxspeeds :) I think we'd need a generic way to tag conditional ... Have you already participated in the syntax poll for

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: Lennard wrote: Exactly, it's a moot point, and I included it mostly to make the point that there are so many subtle ways to handle maxspeed, that it would be difficult to make an all-encompassing tagging scheme. At some point, you'll just have to go

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Maarten Deen
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: And obviously you're also not travelling to Poland, otherwise you would have seen this sign: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Speedlimitsinpoland.png/424px-Speedlimitsinpoland.png Nope, I haven't. And if I was driving past it I wouldn't know

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: It's basically there to decide whether to use colons as in your example or switch to something like maxspeed[wet][forward][motorcycle]. Why? Well, because those time conditions tend to have colons in You split based on the

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
You split based on the equal sign and it doesn't matter that the time condition or key uses colons. Actually you don't have to, key values and key tags are stored independently of each other, writing it with an equal sign is simply a way of describing it and has nothing to do with how