Re: [OSM-talk] I’m running for OSMF board and I’ve set up office hours for questions

[Celine Jacquin]

  3. srsly?! | Re:  I’m running for OSMF board and I’ve set up
  office hours for questions (Rory McCann)

Good afternoon everybody,

I pay attention only occasionally to the talk-list, but this message
resonated in Geochicas and made me (us) feel attacked, from the tone and
expressions chosen by Frederik Ramm. Regardless of the point you try to
defend, the tone and care with the expression is a basic principle of
coexistence in a community of which permanence and renewal are so
important, as in Openstreetmap. And it sounds completely incredible to me
to read this, when so few weeks ago many were wondering (honestly?) how to
increase the diversity of participation on the board (and we have the same
concern for Openstreetmap in general). As Geochicas, we have participated
on Twitter in this collective reflection, where it seemed to me that few
people really wanted to understand the reasons why few women participate
and apply for activities such as being a board member. As if it will only
be about inviting and convincing. We are precisely in the presence of an
expression of the problem: a frankly demotivating tone to enter this type
of dialogue. And I find it especially serious that this occurs in a circle
of (ex, present and future) members of the board.

There is a code of conduct in OSM, it is surprising to remember it by now.
When looking for it in other no less serious circumstances, I could see
that it exists in a non-definitive version, which lets me understand that
it has not been a central work issue in OSM.

Given that, and the Geochicas survey demonstrates it, coexistence behaviors
in all OSM channels are a central vector of inclusion or exclusion, I
invite you, board members, to consider the Code of Conduct as a priority
OSM project : its promotion, its participatory consolidation, its
socialization, and its careful respect especially for those who are
spokespersons.

Thanks everyone
Mapeadora


El dom, 6 de dic. de 2020 a la(s) 06:21, 
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> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 10:31:32 -0800
> From: Joseph Eisenberg 
> To: Mateusz Konieczny 
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> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk]  Please review "Community attribution
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> The text of the first section previously ended with this sentence:
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> "To what extent you might practically get away with lesser attribution -
> either legally or socially - is outside the scope of this document."
>
> Probably such a sentence is acceptable in some cultures, but it sounds odd
> in the Anglo-American legal context so I removed it.
>
> However, perhaps there is a more polite way to say the same sort of thing,
> without seeming to invite "getting away with it?"
>
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> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 12:36 AM Mateusz Konieczny via talk <
> talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
> > One thing that is missing to me is explicit mention that it is not
> > overriding ODBL or related laws and is not adding any legal
> > requirements.
> >
> > If someone follows ODBL license or is in situation where following
> license
> > is not needed for some reason, they can legally do this.
> >
> > Maybe also mention that it is may be recommending more attribution than
> > bare minimum that is required by ODBL, so it is a safe solution that
> should
> > be also fine for any typical[1] project that is not hostile to OSM?
> >
> > [1] "typical" - especially for very small objects things gets trickier,
> > if you are making some special purpose map (tactile map for blind)
> > then attribution also needs to be adapted, if map is going to be used
> > in place where English is not understood in general you will definitely
> > need to translate attribution etc etc.
> >
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Draft_Attribution_Guideline claim
> > that smartphone has not enough space for attribution is clearly untrue.
> > But if you show OSM map on screen of size 1cm x 1 cm or similarly tiny
> > physical object then alternative attribution methods - that still comply
> > with
> > ODBL - 

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

[Christoph Hormann]

> Rory McCann  hat am 07.12.2020 22:57 geschrieben:
> 
> But I think this attribution is too vague. It's advice seems to restate the 
> relevant section from the ODbL. There are many examples of poor attribution 
> where someone could argue that they meet this standard.

As i have already explained to you in

http://blog.imagico.de/the-osmf-changes-during-the-past-year-and-what-they-mean-for-the-coming-years-part-2/#comment-141145

the opposite is the case - the advise as formulated precisely explains the 
criterion for valid attribution.

Attribution has the purpose to be perceived by humans.  To determine if a 
certain form of attribution is acceptable you have to look at the effect it has 
on human perception while interacting with the produced work.

It is understandable that to people with a primarily technical background this 
very concept appears uncomfortable and hard to grasp and their reflex is to 
substitute this with something purely technical where you can essentially 
program a test to verify if the attribution is OK independent of the human 
user.  That cannot work.   

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Tag pour une commande par téléphone ou internet 48h avant le retrait

[Marc_marc]

Bonjour,

Le 07.12.20 à 17:37, emeric Prouteau a écrit :
> Je souhaite taguer un shop=farm (Vente direct de volail) dont l'achat
> nécessite obligatoirement une commande 48h avant de la récupérer

reservation=required
description=commande 48h avant récupération

Cordialement,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

[Rory McCann]

It's good to see more discussion on this. I like that this document lays out 
the moral requirment to attribute. We don't ask for any money, but we do ask 
you to attribute us. It's a very good bargain.

But I think this attribution is too vague. It's advice seems to restate the 
relevant section from the ODbL. There are many examples of poor attribution 
where someone could argue that they meet this standard.

On Fri, 4 Dec 2020, at 21:41, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> I appreciate the wik page "Community attribution advice" which was made 
> by another community member. It seems to give good advice about how 
> database users can comply with the attribution guidelines in a way that 
> everybody* in this community can support.
> 
> Please review the page and make any comments for improvement if needed: 
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_attribution_advice
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Re: [talk-cz] [osm_sk] Re: SotM CZ+SK 2020

[Martin Ždila]

ano, ano, zacal som si uz pripravovat slajdy :-)

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 8:55 PM Marián Kyral  wrote:

> Ahoj,
> jen připomínám, je to už zítra ;-)
>
> Marián
>
> -- Původní e-mail --
> Od: Tom Ka 
> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic , osm_sk <
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> Datum: 18. 11. 2020 9:48:15
> Předmět: [talk-cz] SotM CZ+SK 2020
>
> Ahoj, vzhledem k situaci kolem COVID-19 není možné letos uspořádat
> konferenci SotM CZ+SK a členskou schůzi spolku OSM ČR z.s. v klasické
> podobě. Proto se obojí bude pořádat online a to v Út 8.12.2020 od
> 18:00. Členská schůze spolku OpenStreetMap Česká republika, z.s. tedy
> proběhne v úterý 08.12.2020 v 18:00.
>
> Program členské schůze:
> - informace o provozu spolku za rok 2020
>
> V případě, že řádná členská schůze nebude usnášeníschopná, bude se
> konat náhradní členská schůze 08.12.2020 v 18:20 na stejném místě jako
> řádná členská schůze.
>
> SotM i členská schůze se budou konat online na adrese:
> https://meet.fit.vutbr.cz/sotm
>
> Stačí zadat do prohlížeče (ideálně Chrome nebo Firefox) a povolit
> mikrofon a kameru (na mobilu nebo NB dnes běžně dostupné). Není třeba
> nic instalovat ani žádná registrace. Po vstupu do místnosti prosíme
> ztlumte mikrofon. V případě technických dotazů nebo problémů se
> obracejte na tom.k.
>
> Aktuální informace a program se postupně objeví na webu:
> https://osmap.cz/sotm/2020
>
> Těšíme se na viděnou!
>
> Za SotM CZ+SK
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Tag pour une commande par téléphone ou internet 48h avant le retrait

[osm . sanspourriel]

Non.

Question effectivement générique mais qui aurait pu être posée côté
:covid19.

Je me permets de généraliser la question : c'est similaire au retrait
"2h en magasin" : tu commandes (en ligne, par internet...) et tu peux
aller chercher "un certain temps" après.

J'aurais bien lu :delay mais taginfo n'a rien dans le genre.

Et avec minimum relatif au sujet je ne vois rien de pertinent non plus.

Jean-Yvon

Le 07/12/2020 à 17:37, emeric Prouteau - emeric.prout...@gmail.com a écrit :


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Re: [talk-cz] SotM CZ+SK 2020

[Marián Kyral]

Ahoj,

jen připomínám, je to už zítra ;-)




Marián



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Od: Tom Ka 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic , osm_sk 
Datum: 18. 11. 2020 9:48:15
Předmět: [talk-cz] SotM CZ+SK 2020
"Ahoj, vzhledem k situaci kolem COVID-19 není možné letos uspořádat
konferenci SotM CZ+SK a členskou schůzi spolku OSM ČR z.s. v klasické
podobě. Proto se obojí bude pořádat online a to v Út 8.12.2020 od
18:00. Členská schůze spolku OpenStreetMap Česká republika, z.s. tedy
proběhne v úterý 08.12.2020 v 18:00.

Program členské schůze:
- informace o provozu spolku za rok 2020

V případě, že řádná členská schůze nebude usnášeníschopná, bude se
konat náhradní členská schůze 08.12.2020 v 18:20 na stejném místě jako
řádná členská schůze.

SotM i členská schůze se budou konat online na adrese:
https://meet.fit.vutbr.cz/sotm

Stačí zadat do prohlížeče (ideálně Chrome nebo Firefox) a povolit
mikrofon a kameru (na mobilu nebo NB dnes běžně dostupné). Není třeba
nic instalovat ani žádná registrace. Po vstupu do místnosti prosíme
ztlumte mikrofon. V případě technických dotazů nebo problémů se
obracejte na tom.k.

Aktuální informace a program se postupně objeví na webu:
https://osmap.cz/sotm/2020

Těšíme se na viděnou!

Za SotM CZ+SK
Petr Vozdecký, Marián Kyral, Tomáš Kašpárek
s...@openstreetmap.cz
https://osmap.cz/sotm/2020

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Re: [Talk-GB] British Waterways

[Malcolm Herring via Talk-GB]

On 07/12/2020 12:52, SK53 wrote:

but other operators too


Also note that British Waterways Marinas Ltd has now become Aquavistq 
Waterside Ltd



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Re: [Talk-GB] Nominatim oddity

[Sarah Hoffmann]

On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 05:42:34PM +, Mark Goodge wrote:
> 
> 
> On 07/12/2020 17:34, Ken Kilfedder wrote:
> > That's the name in latin for the UK, I think.   Is it under name:la,
> > and do you have your browser set to latin for some reason?
> 
> No, my browser is set to English. But it does have Latin as one of several
> alternate languages. Odd that Nominatim seems to be using that rather than
> the browser's preferred language. Maybe it's parsing the language string
> back to front.

Nominatim is missing name:en in its internal list, so name:la is
the next best it finds. Something is wrong with taking over the names
from the OSM country boundaries. I'll have a look.

Sarah

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[OSM-talk-fr] Projet #EpaMarne : contribution organisée à Marne-la-Vallée

[Antoine Riche via Talk-fr]

Bonjour,

Je vous informe du projet de /contribution organisée/ que nous réalisons 
à Carto’Cité sur le territoire de Marne-la-Vallée. La page projet 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/France/EPA_Marne en précise les 
contours et le contenu, voici un résumé.


Il s'agit d'une prestation commandée par les Établissements Public 
d'Aménagement EpaMarne-EpaFrance. L'objectif est de produire une base de 
données des équipements et services utiles aux habitant⋅es, en 
s'appuyant sur OpenStreetMap. Après une campagne de collecte de photos 
réalisée cet automne en voiture et à vélo, nous actualisons et vérifions 
la qualité des données sur plusieurs thématiques : éducation, sport, 
santé, culture et loisirs, services publics et commerces. Nous prévoyons 
de publier les quelques centaines de milliers de photos sur Mapillary, 
mais notre priorité va à la numérisation.


Nous utilisons les comptes Carto'Cité (Charles et moi) et StephaneP et, 
sauf oubli, ajoutons le hashtag #EpaMarne aux commentaires de 
changesets. N'hésitez pas à nous contacter si vous avez des observations 
sur nos contributions.


Antoine.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Nominatim oddity

[Peter Neale via Talk-GB]

Hmm.
Well, in my case, it seems to come up as "Royaume-Uni"!
I'll need to try to fix that. (presumably in my account settings...)
Regards,Peter


On Monday, 7 December 2020, 17:38:49 GMT, Ken Kilfedder 
 wrote:  
 
 That's the name in latin for the UK, I think.  Is it under name:la, and do you 
have your browser set to latin for some reason?

I was able to set Chrome to Latin, and your URL did indeed have "Britanniarum 
Regnum" for place:country.
But in Firefox, set to English (GB), it just displays as "United Kingdom".

I wonder how many users OSM has in Vatican City?  (Where the ATMs have a Latin 
option, IIRC)

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On Mon, 7 Dec 2020, at 5:23 PM, Mark Goodge wrote:
> This may be a dim question, and this may possibly be the wrong place to 
> ask it. But, at the risk of being both dim and out of place... Why does 
> Nominatim return "Britanniarum Regnum" as the country name for objects 
> in the UK? For example:
> 
> https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osmtype=N=21279378=place
> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Nominatim oddity

[Mark Goodge]

On 07/12/2020 17:34, Ken Kilfedder wrote:

That's the name in latin for the UK, I think.   Is it under name:la,
and do you have your browser set to latin for some reason?


No, my browser is set to English. But it does have Latin as one of 
several alternate languages. Odd that Nominatim seems to be using that 
rather than the browser's preferred language. Maybe it's parsing the 
language string back to front.


Mark

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Re: [Talk-GB] Nominatim oddity

[Tom Hughes via Talk-GB]

On 07/12/2020 17:23, Mark Goodge wrote:

This may be a dim question, and this may possibly be the wrong place to 
ask it. But, at the risk of being both dim and out of place... Why does 
Nominatim return "Britanniarum Regnum" as the country name for objects 
in the UK? For example:


https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osmtype=N=21279378=place 


Well it doesn't for me. Do you have your browser languages set to
prefer Latin or something (that's the name:la for the UK relation).

Tom

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Re: [Talk-GB] Nominatim oddity

[Ken Kilfedder]

That's the name in latin for the UK, I think.   Is it under name:la, and do you 
have your browser set to latin for some reason?

I was able to set Chrome to Latin, and your URL did indeed have "Britanniarum 
Regnum" for place:country.
But in Firefox, set to English (GB), it just displays as "United Kingdom".

I wonder how many users OSM has in Vatican City?  (Where the ATMs have a Latin 
option, IIRC)

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> This may be a dim question, and this may possibly be the wrong place to 
> ask it. But, at the risk of being both dim and out of place... Why does 
> Nominatim return "Britanniarum Regnum" as the country name for objects 
> in the UK? For example:
> 
> https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osmtype=N=21279378=place
> 
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[Talk-GB] Nominatim oddity

[Mark Goodge]

This may be a dim question, and this may possibly be the wrong place to 
ask it. But, at the risk of being both dim and out of place... Why does 
Nominatim return "Britanniarum Regnum" as the country name for objects 
in the UK? For example:


https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osmtype=N=21279378=place

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Tag pour une commande par téléphone ou internet 48h avant le retrait

[David Crochet]

Bonjour

Le 07/12/2020 à 17:37, emeric Prouteau a écrit :

Auriez vous des idées pour cela ?


opening_hours=* "reservation by phone 48h before" ?

Cordialement

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[OSM-talk-fr] Tag pour une commande par téléphone ou internet 48h avant le retrait

[emeric Prouteau]

Bonjour,

Je ne sais pas si ce tag a déjà été évoqué hors covid car c'est pour un
fonctionnement normal. Donc voilà ma question.

Je souhaite taguer un shop=farm (Vente direct de volail) dont l'achat
nécessite obligatoirement une commande 48h avant de la récupérer (internet
ou téléphone). Les horaires de retrait sont donnés.

Auriez vous des idées pour cela ?

Bonne soirée

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Re: [Talk-GB] British Waterways

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB]

Dec 7, 2020, 16:00 by and...@black1.org.uk:

>
>
>
> On 07/12/2020 10:33, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:
>
>>   
>>
>> TBH there's  only 170 operator=British Waterways tags according 
>> to  taginfo, so it could be polished off pretty quickly with 
>>  an Overpass query and a manual edit.
>>
>
> Agreed.
>
>
> But (correct me if I am wrong) that is still an automated edit
>
>
Depends on whatever you just replace everything or check individual objects.

Meaning of "check" is important here. Is it necessary to just check tagging
(handling other operator tags, for example wikipedia:operator, 
wikidata:operator)?

Should you check surrounding OSM data? Aerial imagery? Research situation?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Chapitre

[Vincent Bergeot]

Le 07/12/2020 à 16:06, Yves P. a écrit :

De Vincent

intéressant -> je dirais plutôt qu'OSM-france représente la fondation auprès 
des contributeurs OpenStreetMap en France et éventuellement d'autres personnes 
(collectivités, point de contact, ...) ! Mais je ne sens pas osm-fr comme une 
représentation des contributeurs français, à la rigueur on pourrait imaginer des 
adhérents (et encore, ...) !

Peut-être les 2 ?
Encore une fois la version verticale ne colle pas trop avec l'esprit OSM.


représente n'était pas dans cette idée effectivement de verticalité que 
cela soit dans un sens ou l'autre.


Mais autant OSM-fr, comme chapitre local, est "représentatif" de la 
fondation, autant osm-fr n'a aucune forme de mandat pour "représenter" 
les contributeurs français.




Est-ce que les bretons sont au dessus des méditerranéens ?
Et les grands bretons au dessus des premiers ?

Oui sur la carte, mais en pratique nous somme tous au même niveau (du moins je 
l'espère).


je ne veux pas que l'espérer, pour moi c'est intrinsèque à OSM.


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Re: [Talk-transit] station=tram in Berlin

[Jarek Piórkowski]

Personally I wouldn't recommend this tagging (especially on the linked
stop where service is no better than every 20 minutes), but the Berlin
and German tagging community is large enough that IMO this is
something they may well decide to do internally - so could also ask on
a German list?

--Jarek

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>
> Hello, mappers!
>
> I’ve noticed that some objects with
>
> railway=halt/station + station=tram
>
> tagging were created recently in Berlin. I know it's uncommon to tag tram 
> stops as railway stations. Overpass query
>
> [out:xml];
> nwr[station=tram];
> out geom;
>
> reveals only 109 such objects worldwide, half of which were created recently 
> in Berlin by two users. Typical example is the node 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8178939810/history#map=19/52.50528/13.61336
>
> Please give your judgement about the situation.
>
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Re: [Talk-transit] station=tram in Berlin

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-transit]

I would delete such objects.

If someone really want to represent entire 
stop, then there is public_transport=stop_area
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5746202 


Though I would rather ask local community
(Berling or Germany in general)

Dec 7, 2020, 17:10 by talk-transit@openstreetmap.org:

> Hello, mappers!
>
> I’ve noticed that some objects with
>
> railway=halt/station + station=tram
>
> tagging were created recently in Berlin. I know it's uncommon to tag tram 
> stops as railway stations. Overpass query
>
> [out:xml];
> nwr[station=tram];
> out geom;
>
> reveals only 109 such objects worldwide, half of which were created recently 
> in Berlin by two users. Typical example is the node > 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8178939810/history#map=19/52.50528/13.61336
>
> Please give your judgement about the situation.
>
> —
> Best regards,
> Alexey [ azakh-world ],
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[Talk-transit] station=tram in Berlin

[Alexey Zakharenkov via Talk-transit]

Hello, mappers!

I’ve noticed that some objects with

railway=halt/station + station=tram

tagging were created recently in Berlin. I know it's uncommon to tag tram stops 
as railway stations. Overpass query

[out:xml];
nwr[station=tram];
out geom;

reveals only 109 such objects worldwide, half of which were created recently in 
Berlin by two users. Typical example is the node 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8178939810/history#map=19/52.50528/13.61336

Please give your judgement about the situation.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Chapitre

[Yves P.]

> Effectivement, il n'est pas courant en dehors des confréries religieuses, de 
> tastes-vin ou autres.
C'est ça :)

> Mais ce n'est pas un anglicisme, c'est plutôt les anglais qui l'ont piqué aux 
> moines français.
Perfide Albion :D

> Les membres de OSM-FR auraient voix au "chapitre",
+1

> et un utilisateur qui se prendrait des remontrances par un chapitre se ferait 
> "chapitrer" ;-)
Celui là je ne le connaissais pas.

Chapitre local évoquais pour moi les groupes locaux : rien à voir.

De plus je ne suis pas inspiré par la version verticale : le clergé et ses 
chapitres.
(Je préfère les chats pitres )

De Vincent
> intéressant -> je dirais plutôt qu'OSM-france représente la fondation auprès 
> des contributeurs OpenStreetMap en France et éventuellement d'autres 
> personnes (collectivités, point de contact, ...) ! Mais je ne sens pas osm-fr 
> comme une représentation des contributeurs français, à la rigueur on pourrait 
> imaginer des adhérents (et encore, ...) !

Peut-être les 2 ?
Encore une fois la version verticale ne colle pas trop avec l'esprit OSM.

Est-ce que les bretons sont au dessus des méditerranéens ?
Et les grands bretons au dessus des premiers ?

Oui sur la carte, mais en pratique nous somme tous au même niveau (du moins je 
l'espère).

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Re: [Talk-GB] British Waterways

[Andrew Black]

On 07/12/2020 10:33, Richard Fairhurst wrote:


TBH there's only 170 operator=British Waterways tags according to 
taginfo, so it could be polished off pretty quickly with an Overpass 
query and a manual edit.



Agreed.

But (correct me if I am wrong) that is still an automated edit.


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Re: [Talk-GB] British Waterways

[SK53]

Coincidentally, or not, Owen Boswarva blogged
 about the EA Reservoir
register open data only yesterday. I was surprised to see Moorgreen
Reservoir still in the hands of the CRT, which Richard has confirmed.

This has a number of other values which it might be worth adding if
updating reservoirs, notably capacity in cubic metres, but other operators
too. Legally there seem to be differences between impounding and
non-impounding reservoirs, but also service reservoirs (possibly always
covered). I'd thought of using designation but the two properties seem to
be disjunct.

The dataset is probably more concerned with volumes of water held behind
dams which might fail. There are a number of ornamental lakes such as Groby
Pool & Wollaton Park Lake. This does highlight that the relevant dams have
not been mapped which may be worthwhile. I used it to find the reservoir
for the Hall water extraction point on the Trent near Newton-on-Trent which
I'd failed to find a couple of months ago.

Jerry




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> I just updated a local canal feeder reservoir, which was tagged in OSM
> as operator=British Waterways.
>
> The value should of course now be "Canal & River Trust".
>
> Should we have an automated edit to update all instances of "British
> Waterways"?
>
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Re: [Talk-se] Reverting undiscussed Lantmäteriet import

[pangoSE]

Big thanks for putting energy into this. ❤

I hope you have good tools to effectively revert the changesets.

Lets continue together making the best map Sweden has ever had 


"Andreas Vilén"  skrev: (7 december 2020 08:36:02 CET)
>Hi,
>
>Big thank you for this!
>
>I believe this situation from earlier this year is connected:
>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-se/2020-May/003876.html
>There were hacked accounts importing one locality per changeset from
>bad data sources. Those accounts were also hacked.
>
>I’m not sure if anyone contacted DWG back then though.
>
>Regards
>Andreas
>
>Skickat från min iPhone
>
>> 6 dec. 2020 kl. 23:27 skrev Frederik Ramm :
>> 
>> (cross-post with forum)
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> over the last couple of weeks, over 90.000 changesets have been made
>by
>> 45 different accounts, performing an undiscussed, low-quality
>> Lantmäteriet import (many small bits of tracks or minor roads,
>> unconnected to each other and the rest of the network). Several
>members
>> of the Swedish OSM community have made the DWG aware of this issue.
>> 
>> The worst thing about this is that many of the accounts used have
>been
>> hacked - they are accounts of people normally editing elsewhere on
>the
>> planet, with different editors, in different languages, and certainly
>> not importing Lantmäteriet.
>> 
>> Not only is this a slap in the face for all of our hard working
>> volunteers trying to make the best map in Sweden; it is also a crass
>> violation of trust (and very likely also a violation of Swedish law).
>> 
>> We (at DWG) are still investigating who is behind this. This is more
>> than just the usual bad import, this is someone who has enough
>criminal
>> energy to hack into other accounts in an attempt to fly under the
>radar.
>> 
>> We have blocked the accounts involved (a list of accounts we have
>> identified is below). If you know anything that might help us
>determine
>> the identity of this hacker, please let us know at
>d...@osmfoundation.org.
>> 
>> We're planning to revert the import in the coming days.
>> 
>> Bye
>> Frederik
>> 
>> List of accounts identified (remember, many of these will be innocent
>> users that had their account hacked):
>> 
>> 30d4f4e1ccf24
>> Anggele
>> Beckster55
>> Daly Riandi
>> Gary18
>> IsabelenEvelyn
>> Lana Villa
>> Nicolas59380
>> Projekt-rolli
>> RobertKluijver
>> Ryan Seid
>> SLC
>> Sivia1811
>> TTSS
>> ViktorPurtin1
>> Yesbolaga
>> _underscore_
>> ahateam
>> ankon
>> annedukh
>> arraggonn
>> barbara61
>> couch-potato
>> dbmercer
>> dmitmia
>> estrellaoruro
>> faithace
>> flyup2000
>> franz0078
>> hako0215
>> jeppe2011
>> jojoAdventure
>> jona0918
>> kamilpost
>> mapeditorkepno
>> rohweder
>> thageboelling
>> tomas471
>> tomto1
>> tonypepe
>> ulaB
>> ussifonyll-39
>> uwasescott
>> voodoobaby
>> xcvb
>> xerxes76
>> 
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Re: [Talk-at] PLZ und Ortsvorwahlen von Österreich

[grubernd]

On 07.12.20 12:51, grubernd wrote:

Feature Request:

Nach einer erfolgreichen Suche mit einer darauffolgenden leeren Suche 
die Karte im aktuellen Zoom und Position zu belassen und nicht auf ganz 
Österreich herauszoomen.


Mindert die Datenlast und man kann im Gebiet rundherum einen Kontext 
herstellen.


vergiss das .. ich tippe zu schnell um beim ersten Test mitbekommen zu 
haben, dass die Karte interaktiv mit jeder Stelle der Postleitzahl in 
das entsprechende Gebiet hinein- und auch wieder herauszoomed


So wie du das implementiert hast ist das ja nur noch super.


grüsse,
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Chapitre

[Georges Dutreix via Talk-fr]

Le 07/12/2020 à 09:36, Yves P. a écrit :

Qu'il soit compréhensible et en usage en est un autre ;)

Pour moi c'est plus un anglicisme du à un traducteur automatique.

Effectivement, il n'est pas courant en dehors des confréries 
religieuses, de tastes-vin ou autres. Mais ce n'est pas un anglicisme, 
c'est plutôt les anglais qui l'ont piqué aux moines français.


Moi, j'aime bien les vieux mots français.
Les membres de OSM-FR auraient voix au "chapitre", et un utilisateur qui 
se prendrait des remontrances par un chapitre se ferait "chapitrer" ;-)


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Re: [Talk-at] PLZ und Ortsvorwahlen von Österreich

[grubernd]

On 06.12.20 14:19, Philipp Kolmann via Talk-at wrote:
> nachdem ich vor einiger Zeit nach einer Webseite gesucht habe, wo ich
> die Ortsvorwahlen suchen kann bzw sehe wie sich die Vorwahlen
> zusammensetzen und nichts dazu gefunden habe, habe ich das nun selbst
> gebaut.


Danke. Danke. Danke.


Dass der Herr Haag freiwillige konstruktive Arbeit nicht versteht und 
gleich mit "nur wenig von Belang" und "So schwer ist das nun auch wieder 
nicht" um sich wirft ist man ja leider gewohnt. Bitte lass dich davon 
nicht beeinflussen.



On 06.12.20 18:13, Kevin Kofler via Talk-at wrote:

Wobei allerdings generell das Problem ist, daß viele Gemeinden in mehrere
Postleitzahlen unterteilt sind, deren Grenzen in den Daten ganz
grundsätzlich fehlen, z.B. (nur ein Beispiel von vielen):
3400: Klosterneuburg
3402: Klosterneuburg
3404: Klosterneuburg
3420: Kritzendorf
3421: Höflein an der Donau
die alle nur als Liste in der Gemeinde Klosterneuburg erscheinen und nicht
räumlich abgetrennt.)


Ist das nicht die Idee hinter der Karte?

Du hast eine PLZ und willst die Telefonvorwahl wissen. So zumindest hab 
ich's verstanden.


Nachdem beides ja irgendwie auf dem Mist der Österreichischen Post- und 
Telegraphenverwaltung und deren Rechtsnachfolger gewachsen ist, sollte 
man meinen es gäbe da irgendein brauchbares Verzeichnis. Aus meiner 
Erfahrung: leider nein.



Eine Datenlücke kann ich füllen: 2440 Moosbrunn .. Vorwahl 02234
Gleich wie Gramatneusiedl, also wären die beiden Gemeinden nach deiner 
Logik zusammenzulegen.



Feature Request:

Nach einer erfolgreichen Suche mit einer darauffolgenden leeren Suche 
die Karte im aktuellen Zoom und Position zu belassen und nicht auf ganz 
Österreich herauszoomen.


Mindert die Datenlast und man kann im Gebiet rundherum einen Kontext 
herstellen.



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Re: [Talk-se] Reverting undiscussed Lantmäteriet import

[Johan]

Hi Frederik,

If it would be possible to exclude this region 
() from the revert, that would 
be helpful. I will do QA on all the imported elements, refine, connect and 
reclassify as needed. If this request poses an unecessarily huge obstacle for 
the DWG effort to combat this import - please go ahead and revert it all.


As Andreas Vilén mentions there was another import of placenames earlier this 
year. It seems to have been based off a half-way finished import suggestion. I 
have performed QA in the aforementioned area and a revert of this would be 
unfortunate.
Johan / 



On 6 December 2020 at 23:25:55 +01:00, Frederik Ramm  
wrote:

> (cross-post with forum)
> 
> Hi,
> 
> over the last couple of weeks, over 90.000 changesets have been made by
> 45 different accounts, performing an undiscussed, low-quality
> Lantmäteriet import (many small bits of tracks or minor roads,
> unconnected to each other and the rest of the network). Several members
> of the Swedish OSM community have made the DWG aware of this issue.
> 
> The worst thing about this is that many of the accounts used have been
> hacked - they are accounts of people normally editing elsewhere on the
> planet, with different editors, in different languages, and certainly
> not importing Lantmäteriet.
> 
> Not only is this a slap in the face for all of our hard working
> volunteers trying to make the best map in Sweden; it is also a crass
> violation of trust (and very likely also a violation of Swedish law).
> 
> We (at DWG) are still investigating who is behind this. This is more
> than just the usual bad import, this is someone who has enough criminal
> energy to hack into other accounts in an attempt to fly under the radar.
> 
> We have blocked the accounts involved (a list of accounts we have
> identified is below). If you know anything that might help us determine
> the identity of this hacker, please let us know at .
> 
> We're planning to revert the import in the coming days.
> 
> Bye
> Frederik
> 
> List of accounts identified (remember, many of these will be innocent
> users that had their account hacked):
> 
> 30d4f4e1ccf24
> Anggele
> Beckster55
> Daly Riandi
> Gary18
> IsabelenEvelyn
> Lana Villa
> Nicolas59380
> Projekt-rolli
> RobertKluijver
> Ryan Seid
> SLC
> Sivia1811
> TTSS
> ViktorPurtin1
> Yesbolaga
> _underscore_
> ahateam
> ankon
> annedukh
> arraggonn
> barbara61
> couch-potato
> dbmercer
> dmitmia
> estrellaoruro
> faithace
> flyup2000
> franz0078
> hako0215
> jeppe2011
> jojoAdventure
> jona0918
> kamilpost
> mapeditorkepno
> rohweder
> thageboelling
> tomas471
> tomto1
> tonypepe
> ulaB
> ussifonyll-39
> uwasescott
> voodoobaby
> xcvb
> xerxes76
> 
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Re: [Talk-se] Reverting undiscussed Lantmäteriet import

[Andreas Vilén]

Interestingly this account was used at both occations: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/30d4f4e1ccf24

Check out the changeset comment thread (where it shows some knowledge about 
Swedish place names but is still misinformed).

/Andreas

Skickat från min iPhone

> 7 dec. 2020 kl. 08:36 skrev Andreas Vilén :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Big thank you for this!
> 
> I believe this situation from earlier this year is connected: 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-se/2020-May/003876.html There 
> were hacked accounts importing one locality per changeset from bad data 
> sources. Those accounts were also hacked.
> 
> I’m not sure if anyone contacted DWG back then though.
> 
> Regards
> Andreas
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>>> 6 dec. 2020 kl. 23:27 skrev Frederik Ramm :
>>> 
>> (cross-post with forum)
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> over the last couple of weeks, over 90.000 changesets have been made by
>> 45 different accounts, performing an undiscussed, low-quality
>> Lantmäteriet import (many small bits of tracks or minor roads,
>> unconnected to each other and the rest of the network). Several members
>> of the Swedish OSM community have made the DWG aware of this issue.
>> 
>> The worst thing about this is that many of the accounts used have been
>> hacked - they are accounts of people normally editing elsewhere on the
>> planet, with different editors, in different languages, and certainly
>> not importing Lantmäteriet.
>> 
>> Not only is this a slap in the face for all of our hard working
>> volunteers trying to make the best map in Sweden; it is also a crass
>> violation of trust (and very likely also a violation of Swedish law).
>> 
>> We (at DWG) are still investigating who is behind this. This is more
>> than just the usual bad import, this is someone who has enough criminal
>> energy to hack into other accounts in an attempt to fly under the radar.
>> 
>> We have blocked the accounts involved (a list of accounts we have
>> identified is below). If you know anything that might help us determine
>> the identity of this hacker, please let us know at d...@osmfoundation.org.
>> 
>> We're planning to revert the import in the coming days.
>> 
>> Bye
>> Frederik
>> 
>> List of accounts identified (remember, many of these will be innocent
>> users that had their account hacked):
>> 
>> 30d4f4e1ccf24
>> Anggele
>> Beckster55
>> Daly Riandi
>> Gary18
>> IsabelenEvelyn
>> Lana Villa
>> Nicolas59380
>> Projekt-rolli
>> RobertKluijver
>> Ryan Seid
>> SLC
>> Sivia1811
>> TTSS
>> ViktorPurtin1
>> Yesbolaga
>> _underscore_
>> ahateam
>> ankon
>> annedukh
>> arraggonn
>> barbara61
>> couch-potato
>> dbmercer
>> dmitmia
>> estrellaoruro
>> faithace
>> flyup2000
>> franz0078
>> hako0215
>> jeppe2011
>> jojoAdventure
>> jona0918
>> kamilpost
>> mapeditorkepno
>> rohweder
>> thageboelling
>> tomas471
>> tomto1
>> tonypepe
>> ulaB
>> ussifonyll-39
>> uwasescott
>> voodoobaby
>> xcvb
>> xerxes76
>> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] British Waterways

[Richard Fairhurst]

Andy Mabbett wrote:
> Should we have an automated edit to update all instances of "British 
>Waterways"?

Scotland's canals are still run by the British Waterways Board (trading as 
Scottish Canals), so any edit would need to be geographically constrained.

TBH there's only 170 operator=British Waterways tags according to taginfo, so 
it could be polished off pretty quickly with an Overpass query and a manual 
edit.

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Re: [Talk-GB] British Waterways

[Dan S]

Sounds OK to me.

FWIW, here's an edit I made a few years ago, similar in kind, to
rename Barclays/Santander Cycle Hire in London:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/mcld

Op ma 7 dec. 2020 om 10:18 schreef Andy Mabbett :
>
> I just updated a local canal feeder reservoir, which was tagged in OSM
> as operator=British Waterways.
>
> The value should of course now be "Canal & River Trust".
>
> Should we have an automated edit to update all instances of "British 
> Waterways"?
>
> --
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> @pigsonthewing
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Traductions — était Re: le data working group / quel support en France ?

[Marc_marc]

Le 07.12.20 à 09:36, Yves P. a écrit :
> D'après Oxford-Hachette French Dictionary, la traduction de chapter (of
> association, union) est section.

nickel ! bien mieux que chapitre.



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] le data working group / quel support en France ?

[Marc_marc]

Bonjour,

Le 06.12.20 à 21:15, Georges Dutreix via Talk-fr a écrit :
> 1) déléguer à un chapitre de la fondation un certain pouvoir de bloquer
> (temporairement, définitivement) un utilisateur ;
> 2) déléguer à N membres d'OSMF, le pouvoir de bloquer un utilisateur, ou
> de demander un blocage immédiat, quitte à ce qu'il y ait un contrôle a
> posteriori

mais qu'est-ce que cela a différent de la situation actuelle ?
si un membre d'un chapitre/section de la fondation
souhaite le pouvoir de bloquer, il suffit qu'il soie
candidat DWG.
idem pour X membres d'osmf
idem pour un contributeur normal.

mais s'il n'y a pas de personne supplémentaire sollicitant d'être dwg ?
on est dans cas typique de "yaka que quelqu'un d'autre fasse" :)

Cordialement,
Marc




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[Talk-GB] British Waterways

[Andy Mabbett]

I just updated a local canal feeder reservoir, which was tagged in OSM
as operator=British Waterways.

The value should of course now be "Canal & River Trust".

Should we have an automated edit to update all instances of "British Waterways"?

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Mieux détecter des erreurs et accompagner les nouveaux avant de punir [était Re: le data working group / quel support en France ?]

[Marc_marc]

Bonjour,

Le 06.12.20 à 11:40, Vincent Bergeot a écrit :
>>> Comment pouvons nous soutenir cette question et faciliter
>> Pour ma part,
>> - quand j'ai besoin d'un blocage (comme le flood de notes insultantes
>> SNT), cela se passe vite vu qu'un membre du DWG est sur le canal de
>> discussion instantané irc #osm-fr où je suis aussi :)
> 
> moi je passe par signaler un utilisateur sur le site osm.org en pauvre
> utilisateur que je suis et pour ne pas forcément cibler une personne du
> DWG, ne connaissant pas l'orga du DWG et donc la répartition de la
> charge

à ce niveau là, peut-être manque-il un moyen de "notifier la communauté"
ce qui pourrait par exemple envoyer un message sur talk-fr histoire que
les cas ne nécessitant pas d'être DWG n'encombre pas le DWG.
parce que justement ce qui nécessite le DWG pour moi se limite
à telement peu de cas par an que je ne voyais pas le soucis.
Mais comme les reveiew_request tombent dans l'ouli, il ne semble
pas y avoir suffisament de monde interessé par ce problème de fond.

>> - ceux qui ne sont pas urgent sont traité généralement dans la semaine,
>> et même si + vite est souvent mieux, je trouve cela correct comme délais
> 
> ok mais ici je parle de signalement qui ont plusieurs mois.

étrange que le tienne prennent autant de temps.
j'ignore si j'ai un "bypass" parce que je fais moi-même tout
ce qui ne nécessite pas le droit dwg
mais cela m'étonnerait fortement, les ticket DWG sont dans un
gestionnaire de ticket
mon dernier signalement a été fait en novembre, traité en qlq jours
par un non francophone.

Cordialement,
Marc



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] **Newsletter** Re: Tag adéquat pour nommer les maisons basques

[Chantal ARRUTI via Talk-fr]

Bonjour 

à l'origine c'est une maison = un nom et l'ainé (femme ou homme) de la famille 
héritait de tout. 
aujourd'hui, il n'est plus possible de deshériter certains enfants il est donc 
possible qu'une 2ème maison soit construite juste à coté de la première et dans 
ce cas elle porte en général le même nom. 

Chantal 




De: "Marc_marc"  
À: "Discussions sur OSM en français"  
Envoyé: Lundi 7 Décembre 2020 10:45:40 
Objet: **Newsletter** Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Tag adéquat pour nommer les maisons 
basques 

Bonjour, 

Le 06.12.20 à 22:58, Brice a écrit : 
> À la lecture de cet article 
> (https://blog.geo.data.gouv.fr/communaut%C3%A9-dagglom%C3%A9ration-du-pays-basque-164dffa34fbd),
>  
> j'apprends que les maisons ont des noms en propre (voir aussi 
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_basque) au Pays Basque. 

est-ce que c'est une maison = un nom ? 
ou des maisons = un nom ? 

> 1/ "place"="isolated_dwelling", exemple : 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7783157922 ; ce tag ne me semble pas 
> adéquat pour des maisons regroupés en hameaux ou le long des routes, cf. 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:place%3Disolated_dwelling 

le wiki dit que c'est adapté pour un nom concernant 2 foyers. 
voir ci dessous pq cela me semble adapté que pour 2 batiments. 

> 2/ Le tags name= sur le way building=house 

c'est ma préférence si ce batiment porte un nom. 
l'objet osm est building=* et name=* concerne donc le batiment 

> 3/ addr:housename 

c'est souvent erronée. 
addr: dit que cela concerne l'adressage postal, et non le batiment. 
dans certains pays, on n'utilise pas de addr:housenumber mais 
on utilise des noms à la place des addr:housenumber tel que 
"maison des Edelweiss, rue de la gare" 
peut-être est-ce utilisé légalement dans certains hameaux, 
j'en ai pas connaissance. 
en tout cas la combinaison addr:housename + addr:housenumber 
me fait croire à une erreur qu'il faudrait corriger en name 

> addr:housename étant, me semble t'il, la mieux adaptée. 

uniquement si cela a une utilisation adresse. 

Cordialement, 
Marc 



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Tag adéquat pour nommer les maisons basques

[Marc_marc]

Bonjour,

Le 06.12.20 à 22:58, Brice a écrit :
> À la lecture de cet article
> (https://blog.geo.data.gouv.fr/communaut%C3%A9-dagglom%C3%A9ration-du-pays-basque-164dffa34fbd),
> j'apprends que les maisons ont des noms en propre (voir aussi
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_basque) au Pays Basque.

est-ce que c'est une maison = un nom ?
ou des maisons = un nom ?

> 1/ "place"="isolated_dwelling", exemple :
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7783157922 ; ce tag ne me semble pas
> adéquat pour des maisons regroupés en hameaux ou le long des routes, cf.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:place%3Disolated_dwelling

le wiki dit que c'est adapté pour un nom concernant 2 foyers.
voir ci dessous pq cela me semble adapté que pour 2 batiments.

> 2/ Le tags name= sur le way building=house

c'est ma préférence si ce batiment porte un nom.
l'objet osm est building=* et name=* concerne donc le batiment

> 3/ addr:housename

c'est souvent erronée.
addr: dit que cela concerne l'adressage postal, et non le batiment.
dans certains pays, on n'utilise pas de addr:housenumber mais
on utilise des noms à la place des addr:housenumber tel que
"maison des Edelweiss, rue de la gare"
peut-être est-ce utilisé légalement dans certains hameaux,
j'en ai pas connaissance.
en tout cas la combinaison addr:housename + addr:housenumber
me fait croire à une erreur qu'il faudrait corriger en name

> addr:housename étant, me semble t'il, la mieux adaptée.

uniquement si cela a une utilisation adresse.

Cordialement,
Marc



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Traductions — était Re: le data working group / quel support en France ?

[Vincent Bergeot]

Le 07/12/2020 à 09:36, Yves P. a écrit :
OSM France, représente les contributeurs français au sein de la 
fondation OSM.


intéressant -> je dirais plutôt qu'OSM-france représente la fondation 
auprès des contributeurs OpenStreetMap en France et éventuellement 
d'autres personnes (collectivités, point de contact, ...) ! Mais je ne 
sens pas osm-fr comme une représentation des contributeurs français, à 
la rigueur on pourrait imaginer des adhérents (et encore, ...) !



--
Vincent Bergeot


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[OSM-talk-fr] Traductions — était Re: le data working group / quel support en France ?

[Yves P.]

>>> Chapitre ?
>>> Tu veux dire représentation/délégation/instance nationale de la fondation ;)
>>> 
>> Je n'y connais pas grand chose je t'avoue.
>> Je reprends ce terme (qui est peut-être obsolète) : 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Fondation/Chapitres_locaux#Chapitres_locaux_existants_ou_dont_la_formation_est_.C3.A0_l.27.C3.A9tude


> https://welcome.openstreetmap.org/about-osm-community/local-chapters/
> 
> Chapitre est le mot exact en Fr pour chapter, certes un peu spécialisé :

Que ce mot français soit dans le dictionnaire est un fait :)
Qu'il soit compréhensible et en usage en est un autre ;)

Pour moi c'est plus un anglicisme du à un traducteur automatique.

D'après Oxford-Hachette French Dictionary, la traduction de chapter (of 
association, union) est section.
Pour Linguee 
, la 
traduction de local chapter est section locale f (usage fréquent), plus rare : 
chapitre local m · section régionale f · division locale f
Pour le wiktionnaire , le sens du mot 
français chapitre est (parfois) Division d’une organisation.

"Section locale" en français me fait penser aux groupes locaux de contributeurs 
(Lyon, Strasbourg, Montrouge…).

Donc il me parait plus adapté de parler de section (division, représentation…) 
nationale.

OSM France, représente les contributeurs français au sein de la fondation OSM.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Élections pour la fondation OSM / l'enjeu de la présence des AFAM ... (osm: message 3 of 20)

[leni]

Merci Vincent d'avoir ouvert ce fil, qui m'a donné quelques réponses, 
j'espère qu'il en est de même pour toi.


cordialement

leni

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